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The line for Green last night is pretty bad.
0-3 and 0-2 from three point.
5 rebounds
5 assists
5 turn overs
zero blocks
zero offensive rebounds

Almost 24 minutes of play.
"I was horrible," Green said. "I just couldn't do nothing right. A lot of stuff I saw was plays I usually make. I just didn't really have that feel tonight. But it will come. It is what it is, but my feel wasn't there at all. My sight was, I saw everything I needed to see. I just really couldn't get the ball to where I wanted it to go. Things just didn't go my way, but that's OK."
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-not-addressing-draymond-green-incident-again
 
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/draymond-green-reportedly-told-kevin-140925851.html

Draymond Green told Kevin Durant to leave in the summer. He told Durant, "we. don't need you." Which is true. They were winning before he got there. He also reportedly called Durant a bitch several times.

Such a ray of sunshine in the locker-room. Sounds like he is just a joy to have as a team-mate. I used to think he was the kind of player you hated unless he was on *your* favorite team. Now I am wondering if he is just a head case.

My guess - an under-rated player starts to get the credit he deserves and turns into an arrogant prick. If he causes the Warriors to implode - more power to him.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/draymond-green-reportedly-told-kevin-140925851.html

Draymond Green told Kevin Durant to leave in the summer. He told Durant, "we. don't need you." Which is true. They were winning before he got there. He also reportedly called Durant a bitch several times.

So much for winning curing everything:

Where does that leave the Warriors? Not in a good space, one veteran told Marcus Thompson II in a must-read piece at The Athletic.

“With what was said, there is already no way Durant is coming back,” one player said. “The only hope is that they can say this summer, ‘See, KD. We’ve got your back. We protected you from Draymond.’ ”

Hence the suspension, rather than just a fine for Green. The Warriors wanted the punishment to be public, not just internal. Just to show Durant they have his back.

It’s very likely not enough — and it very likely would not have mattered anyway. Whatever you may think Durant is saying on the court, the stage has already been set for next July. It feels like Durant wants to win one more title, then to go try to pad his legacy with his “own team” somewhere else.

So, KD is going to opt out and seek his "own team" he can lead to a title.

First question, will this just be the first domino to fall? Green has another season left on his contract, but his teammates seem to be in Camp Kevin. Draymond seems to have put himself on an island. If KD leaves, will Klay also head elsewhere next summer? If Durant leaves, will they still be able to attract ring chasing vets on min contracts, or will those vets now flock to LAL (gag) to join Team LeBron instead?

Second question, if Durant wanted to come to POR, would you welcome him? He'd certainly be an upgrade at SF and can play the stretch 4 in small ball lineups with Collins at the 5 (would it even be considered "small ball" with two 7-footers on the floor?). If POR doesn't go deep in the playoffs this season, Durant can play night in shining armor in POR, rather than the coattail rider he's been in GSW.

BNM
 
So much for winning curing everything:

Where does that leave the Warriors? Not in a good space, one veteran told Marcus Thompson II in a must-read piece at The Athletic.

“With what was said, there is already no way Durant is coming back,” one player said. “The only hope is that they can say this summer, ‘See, KD. We’ve got your back. We protected you from Draymond.’ ”

Hence the suspension, rather than just a fine for Green. The Warriors wanted the punishment to be public, not just internal. Just to show Durant they have his back.

It’s very likely not enough — and it very likely would not have mattered anyway. Whatever you may think Durant is saying on the court, the stage has already been set for next July. It feels like Durant wants to win one more title, then to go try to pad his legacy with his “own team” somewhere else.

So, KD is going to opt out and seek his "own team" he can lead to a title.

First question, will this just be the first domino to fall? Green has another season left on his contract, but his teammates seem to be in Camp Kevin. Draymond seems to have put himself on an island. If KD leaves, will Klay also head elsewhere next summer? If Durant leaves, will they still be able to attract ring chasing vets on min contracts, or will those vets now flock to LAL (gag) to join Team LeBron instead?

Second question, if Durant wanted to come to POR, would you welcome him? He'd certainly be an upgrade at SF and can play the stretch 4 in small ball lineups with Collins at the 5 (would it even be considered "small ball" with two 7-footers on the floor?). If POR doesn't go deep in the playoffs this season, Durant can play night in shining armor in POR, rather than the coattail rider he's been in GSW.

BNM

Heck yes, I'd welcome him. He may be a douche at times, but he's a really talented douche. That said, I have no idea how a team that's $7 mil over the LT threshold clears enough space to chase him as a FA.
 
Heck yes, I'd welcome him. He may be a douche at times, but he's a really talented douche. That said, I have no idea how a team that's $7 mil over the LT threshold clears enough space to chase him as a FA.

We'd basically have to pay some other team(s) that's under the cap to take some big contracts off our hands. Meyers and ET both playing well helps. Both will only have a year left on their contracts next summer. So, that decreases the cost (cheap young players and draft picks) of moving them.

It was meant as a hypothetical question, but if Durant REALLY wanted to play here, there would be some way to make it happen.

Note: that's a VERY big "if".

BNM
 
So much for winning curing everything:

Where does that leave the Warriors? Not in a good space, one veteran told Marcus Thompson II in a must-read piece at The Athletic.

“With what was said, there is already no way Durant is coming back,” one player said. “The only hope is that they can say this summer, ‘See, KD. We’ve got your back. We protected you from Draymond.’ ”

Hence the suspension, rather than just a fine for Green. The Warriors wanted the punishment to be public, not just internal. Just to show Durant they have his back.

It’s very likely not enough — and it very likely would not have mattered anyway. Whatever you may think Durant is saying on the court, the stage has already been set for next July. It feels like Durant wants to win one more title, then to go try to pad his legacy with his “own team” somewhere else.

So, KD is going to opt out and seek his "own team" he can lead to a title.

First question, will this just be the first domino to fall? Green has another season left on his contract, but his teammates seem to be in Camp Kevin. Draymond seems to have put himself on an island. If KD leaves, will Klay also head elsewhere next summer? If Durant leaves, will they still be able to attract ring chasing vets on min contracts, or will those vets now flock to LAL (gag) to join Team LeBron instead?

Second question, if Durant wanted to come to POR, would you welcome him? He'd certainly be an upgrade at SF and can play the stretch 4 in small ball lineups with Collins at the 5 (would it even be considered "small ball" with two 7-footers on the floor?). If POR doesn't go deep in the playoffs this season, Durant can play night in shining armor in POR, rather than the coattail rider he's been in GSW.

BNM

1.) If Green and Durant were both free agents next summer, I'd say for sure one of them is probbly gone. But, Green gas another year. If they can't kiss and make up either Durant will leave, or Draymond will ask to be traded. Perhaps, the Warriors will trade Green anyway to sate KD.

That, said winning another ring together might be enough bury the beef. Maybe not. Both KD and Green are confrontational guys. Neither like backing down. If the Warriors decide to trade Green in the hopes that KD will stay, they will be taking a huge risk. KD could walk anyway leaving them without the services of either. Durant seems to be getting bored. The voices on the internet, in the stands, etc may be getting to him. "Coattailrider...coattailrider..." He want's his own team. He wants to prove the naysayers wrong. I think KD is gone after this season. The Warriors are more likely to retain Green.

2.) I don't see Durant coming to Portland. Maybe the Lakers to join Lebron or a team without a Star as he wants his own team again. Portland is Dame's team. He misses being the big man on campus. He has to share the spotlight in Oakland. The Warriors are really Currys team, not his.

If he somehow made it to Portland I would hold my nose and welcome him. I don't care for his attitude. But, the guy is a star. That said Portland would have to dump Turner and Meyers for nothing. As it is they are $7+million into luxury tax, with a total bill somewhere around twelve. I don't see it happening, but who knows.
 
Portland is Dame's team. He misses being the big man on campus. He has to share the spotlight in Oakland.

But, this time, he'd be joining a team that struggles to get out of the first round, not a team that had already won a championship without him, that won 73 regular season games and knocked his team out in the Western Conference Finals. If he came here and won a title in POR, he'd be the savior, not the coat tail rider.

He was forced to share the spotlight with Russ in OKC. Russ, with his hero ball, made sure of it. Too bad Russ wouldn't share the ball with him when it mattered. Dame is NOT Russ. His situation in POR would be better than it was in OKC, not worse.

BNM
 
But, this time, he'd be joining a team that struggles to get out of the first round, not a team that had already won a championship without him, that won 73 regular season games and knocked his team out in the Western Conference Finals. If he came here and won a title in POR, he'd be the savior, not the coat tail rider.

He was forced to share the spotlight with Russ in OKC. Russ, with his hero ball, made sure of it. Too bad Russ wouldn't share the ball with him when it mattered. Dame is NOT Russ. His situation in POR would be better than it was in OKC, not worse.

BNM
Yeah poor KD being held back by Russ, KD sure lacked for shot attempts. I agree with you on Russ in a lot of ways, but KD was just as guilty of hero ball at times as Russ is/was. Yeah I know Russ could be a TO machine at times at the end of games, but KD was pretty choketastic at times too.

Edit: Even this thing with Draymond, KD wanted to play hero ball. He didnt run the court, just stood by the opponents basket clapping for the ball...
 
Such a ray of sunshine in the locker-room. Sounds like he is just a joy to have as a team-mate. I used to think he was the kind of player you hated unless he was on *your* favorite team. Now I am wondering if he is just a head case.

My guess - an under-rated player starts to get the credit he deserves and turns into an arrogant prick. If he causes the Warriors to implode - more power to him.

People keep letting Durant off the hook, instead blaming all the stars around him for breaking up the band. How many teams does KD get to be the behind-the-scenes cancer on? The whole franchise is bending over backwards to make him feel loved, but there's no reigning in a mouth like Draymond's.
 
Yeah poor KD being held back by Russ, KD sure lacked for shot attempts.

Actually, he did - especially in the playoffs, especially in the 4th quarter of close games. Don't believe me, go back and look at the game logs and playoff series stats. Durant has always been a much more efficient scorer than Russ, yet Russ was constantly freezing out Durant in the 4th quarter of close games. It was Russ bringing the ball up the floor, Russ forcing up a bad, low percentage shot, or committing an unforced TOV as he tried to "take over" the game.

It's actually the thing I love the most about Russ and the reason OKC is ALWAYS in the top 1 or 2 in blown 4th quarter leads. It's so predictable, you'd think it would get boring. It hasn't. Durant's last season in OKC, he averaged 28.2 PPG and flirted with another 50/40/90 season, yet OKC led the league with 15 blown 4th quarter leads. They had one of the most efficient scorers in the game and won 55 games. If his PG hadn't of constantly froze KD out in the 4th quarter, they could have won 70 games that year. Wouldn't have mattered, they still would have choked in the playoffs and lost to GSW.

BNM
 
People keep letting Durant off the hook, instead blaming all the stars around him for breaking up the band. How many teams does KD get to be the behind-the-scenes cancer on? The whole franchise is bending over backwards to make him feel loved, but there's no reigning in a mouth like Draymond's.

Behind the scenes cancer? Do you know something we don't know? Draymond is the one who called him a bitch and told him to leave, they won without him and don't need him. I'm not a Durant fan or apologist. I think joining OKC in 2016 was weak, but if anyone is "breaking up the band" it's Draymond. You're right, there is no reining in that mouth and THAT'S the problem.

BNM
 
KD has a long history of playoff choking. Blaming his woes on Russ isn't completely accurate.I don't really care, I just wanted an excuse to post the greatest hoops headline ever.

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Actually, he did - especially in the playoffs, especially in the 4th quarter of close games. Don't believe me, go back and look at the game logs and playoff series stats. Durant has always been a much more efficient scorer than Russ, yet Russ was constantly freezing out Durant in the 4th quarter of close games. It was Russ bringing the ball up the floor, Russ forcing up a bad, low percentage shot, or committing an unforced TOV as he tried to "take over" the game.

It's actually the thing I love the most about Russ and the reason OKC is ALWAYS in the top 1 or 2 in blown 4th quarter leads. It's so predictable, you'd think it would get boring. It hasn't. Durant's last season in OKC, he averaged 28.2 PPG and flirted with another 50/40/90 season, yet OKC led the league with 15 blown 4th quarter leads. They had one of the most efficient scorers in the game and won 55 games. If his PG hadn't of constantly froze KD out in the 4th quarter, they could have won 70 games that year. Wouldn't have mattered, they still would have choked in the playoffs and lost to GSW.

BNM
I get it man, Russ is a ballhog, but I just think it's really offbase to act like KD wasn't complicit in the hero ball, that he didn't choke a whole lot too. Sure maybe Russ was "worse", but KD had a very similar streak in him that Russ does.
 
Behind the scenes cancer? Do you know something we don't know? Draymond is the one who called him a bitch and told him to leave, they won without him and don't need him. I'm not a Durant fan or apologist. I think joining OKC in 2016 was weak, but if anyone is "breaking up the band" it's Draymond. You're right, there is no reining in that mouth and THAT'S the problem.

BNM

Draymond is saying what less confrontational teammates wish they could get away with saying. Durant quits when the going gets tough, is careful to not present himself poorly in public yet never endears himself to the team, and hasn't shown a willingness to sacrifice any of his game to help those around him.

Curry sacrificed when Durant came in, and Harden sacrificed when CP3 came in. Durant and Westbrook were equally unwilling to sacrifice, but teammates actually like playing with Russ. That leaves Durant as the primary bitch of OKC's original Super Freaks.
 
We'd basically have to pay some other team(s) that's under the cap to take some big contracts off our hands. Meyers and ET both playing well helps. Both will only have a year left on their contracts next summer. So, that decreases the cost (cheap young players and draft picks) of moving them.

It was meant as a hypothetical question, but if Durant REALLY wanted to play here, there would be some way to make it happen.

Note: that's a VERY big "if".

BNM
I feel like Durant is weird enough to say fuck it and go somewhere the media doesn't want him to go, and somewhere that would flip the script. He's tight with C.J... I dunno. Bob Myers and Neil Olshey are close friends so I doubt Myers would spite Olshey in a S&T if Durant was trying to come here.

In the end, I think he ends up a New York Knick. I would love that too, TBH. G.S. is back to being beatable, Houston is aging and declining, LeBron is starting his decline in LA with no free agents joining him... That's the best case scenario IMO.
 
Draymond is saying what less confrontational teammates wish they could get away with saying. Durant quits when the going gets tough, is careful to not present himself poorly in public yet never endears himself to the team, and hasn't shown a willingness to sacrifice any of his game to help those around him.

Curry sacrificed when Durant came in, and Harden sacrificed when CP3 came in. Durant and Westbrook were equally unwilling to sacrifice, but teammates actually like playing with Russ. That leaves Durant as the primary bitch of OKC's original Super Freaks.
Did Oladipo and Sabonis like playing with Russ? They’ve played much better without him.
 
The rumor now is that Markelle Fultz got in a motorcycle accident and that's where his shot getting messed up came from.
 
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