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he said in his interview that all the guys mentioned needed to play to make the leap...with vets in front of them they won't develop into impact players while still young....he hinted that CJ probably should have played in front of Wes his second year but Wes was the vet that held him back that last season...and he said that was probably the mistake...he didn't mention Wes by name but said vets ahead of CJ on the roster kept him on the sidelines when he was actually ready to contribute...that meant Wes to me
Vince Carter just signed for the minimum with Atlanta. He's a guy they could've signed who is super well respected by Dame and CJ. Guys like that don't need to take away playing time but can contribute if there are injuries or if the young guys are struggling.
 
The two shooters we signed weren't replacing Ed....they were replacing Connaughton and Bazz...Collins, Layman, Swanigan and Meyers will battle for Ed's minutes....he explained this. Defenders left Ed alone and doubled up on our shooters...they did the same with Plumlee….no knock on Ed or Plumlee...he said we needed more offense from Ed's position...I understand why and I loved Ed but it was probably the right move going forward...Ed wouldn't be happy with a reduced role...he went to a team where he'll probably play more than he did here
I loved Ed and would still like him on the team, however he did disappoint me against the Pels. You are right in that they left Ed and doubled either Dame or CJ. WE needed more O out of the front line with P&R's during that series.
 
Vince Carter just signed for the minimum with Atlanta. He's a guy they could've signed who is super well respected by Dame and CJ. Guys like that don't need to take away playing time but can contribute if there are injuries or if the young guys are struggling.
I'll take Stauskas over a soon to be 41 year old Vince Carter...he's a rental every season....Sac had cap room to keep him and they didn't....I really wanted to see Vince play his last years in Toronto just for the fan base there.
 
The two shooters we signed weren't replacing Ed....they were replacing Connaughton and Bazz...Collins, Layman, Swanigan and Meyers will battle for Ed's minutes....he explained this. Defenders left Ed alone and doubled up on our shooters...they did the same with Plumlee….no knock on Ed or Plumlee...he said we needed more offense from Ed's position...I understand why and I loved Ed but it was probably the right move going forward...Ed wouldn't be happy with a reduced role...he went to a team where he'll probably play more than he did here
I realize the shooters weren't a direct replacement of Davis, I'm talking about the overall makeup of the roster. I know what Olshey is trying to say but it's all bullshit because he couldn't accomplish what he really wanted and is now trying to save face.
 
I'll take Stauskas over a soon to be 41 year old Vince Carter...he's a rental every season....Sac had cap room to keep him and they didn't....I really wanted to see Vince play his last years in Toronto just for the fan base there.
He's just an example of a player who could fit the mold as a veteran but also wouldn't take time away from development if young guys were stepping up. You don't think Stauskas is a rental? We have Curry, Baldwin, and Stauskas who will all be free agents next summer without full bird rights. If Stauskas and Curry both play well we would likely only be able to keep one or maybe neither. If they aren't good enough to want to keep then they'd be bad signings. What's the difference between that type of rental or an experienced veteran?
 
He's just an example of a player who could fit the mold as a veteran but also wouldn't take time away from development if young guys were stepping up. You don't think Stauskas is a rental? We have Curry, Baldwin, and Stauskas who will all be free agents next summer without full bird rights. If Stauskas and Curry both play well we would likely only be able to keep one or maybe neither. If they aren't good enough to want to keep then they'd be bad signings. What's the difference between that type of rental or an experienced veteran?
actually both are veterans with NBA experience..but younger veterans and both great 3 pt shooters...if they build value they are also trade assets if a good deal comes along by the deadline...my thoughts are that they'll bring speed to the bench and scoring without demanding a starting job
 
actually both are veterans with NBA experience..but younger veterans and both great 3 pt shooters...if they build value they are also trade assets if a good deal comes along by the deadline...my thoughts are that they'll bring speed to the bench and scoring without demanding a starting job
But if it's true that having players battle for minutes holds back the development of the younger guys why not just give those minutes to Baldwin, Trent, Layman, and maybe even Simons? Or does that rule only apply when the GM needs a reason for letting a fan favorite (Wes and Ed) walk for nothing in return?
 
actually both are veterans with NBA experience..but younger veterans and both great 3 pt shooters...if they build value they are also trade assets if a good deal comes along by the deadline...my thoughts are that they'll bring speed to the bench and scoring without demanding a starting job

Lol. Neil Olshey getting something for an asset! Stop it!
 
But if it's true that having players battle for minutes holds back the development of the younger guys why not just give those minutes to Baldwin, Trent, Layman, and maybe even Simons? Or does that rule only apply when the GM needs a reason for letting a fan favorite (Wes and Ed) walk for nothing in return?
Wes wasn't walking anywhere when we let him go....battling for Ed's minutes isn't going to rookies..it's going to guys who have spent time in Stotts system already
 
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to the OP....we don't know who the 5 were...I'd guess Kawhi...Beasley...Ariza...DeRozan....Beal...maybe Lebron....for what it's worth...pure speculation..why lock the thread...you could add a poll with names you think were in the mix. The OP title also included the Olshey interview...which we were discussing
 
to the OP....we don't know who the 5 were...I'd guess Kawhi...Beasley...Ariza...DeRozan....Beal....for what it's worth...pure speculation..why lock the thread...you could add a poll with names you think were in the mix.
We got off topic, but there are quite a few “answers” to the question sprinkled in. I’ve seen threads go wayyyyg further of the rails than this one.
 
he said in his interview that all the guys mentioned needed to play to make the leap...with vets in front of them they won't develop into impact players while still young....he hinted that CJ probably should have played in front of Wes his second year but Wes was the vet that held him back that last season...and he said that was probably the mistake...he didn't mention Wes by name but said vets ahead of CJ on the roster kept him on the sidelines when he was actually ready to contribute...that meant Wes to me
1) I'm not sure I agree with NO's assertion there... In life, the cream finds it's way to the top. As such, highly talented players will find ways to get on the court and make impacts. The process may take a bit longer (like 1 season) with the vet in front of them, but I'm don't think that is a bad thing in the least.

2) When I listened to the interview, I was assuming he was referencing Affallo at the vet that was in CJ's way. He mentioned something to the effect of 'we made some moves'.
 
I loved Ed and would still like him on the team, however he did disappoint me against the Pels. You are right in that they left Ed and doubled either Dame or CJ. WE needed more O out of the front line with P&R's during that series.
Agreed. But we did absolutely nothing to get better... In fact, we got worse.
The only way someone can possibly argue something different is by HOPING for internal growth of Collins. That will happen regardless of if Ed was here or not.
 
The only way someone can possibly argue something different is by HOPING for internal growth of Collins
no...there are several other options one can argue...what you're saying is you don't value those guys..we have 7 front court players
 
As I think I clearly stated in my post, I really wouldn't mind that much if the course was to continue to develop young guys. In fact I'm a big proponent of always developing young guys even for championship contenders. However, this was obviously not the course that Olshey wanted to go this summer so anything anyone says about the young guys getting more minutes and all that stuff is merely trying to save face for failing to execute what he wanted to accomplish.
I didn't get the impression that we were going to stop developing our young guys. I got the impression that we were going to look for experienced impact players to add if there were any available.

I don't think I've seen us miss out on any of those guys...
 
Hezonja & Beasley are obvious.
Parker, Ariza, Evans.
Hezonja has never played in the playoffs. Beasley and Evans have never been out of the first round. This year was Jabari Parker's first year playing in the playoffs and they lost in the 1st round too. Unless you mean Tony Parker in which case I think he would've signed for the tax-MLE.

Ariza is the only guy you listed that qualifies.
 
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First off, my original post listed every single guy mentioned to that point and only a couple could even qualify for the terms of the 5. Second of all, in order to figure out the 5 you'd have to believe that there was actually 5 targets that signed for more than the Tax-MLE that are proven vets with playoff experience. I'm not buying that a guy like Tyreke Evans who has played 4 playoff games in his entire career can be considered a guy who has proven playoff success to get us further. On top of that there was no way we were signing him for the tax-MLE.

In other words, I think your post is almost impossible to answer especially without questioning the validity of the man who made the comments.
 
If we're trying to get to 5 we either have to assume Olshey considered playing in a playoff game qualifies as playoff proven (even though that's completely stupid because then Davis, Napier, and Connaughton were more playoff proven than most on the list) OR we have to assume that by throwing in the term veteran wing that playoff experience wasn't a prerequisite for his targets (in which case he lied about wanting difference makers that have a proven track record come April in a different interview).

Otherwise Ariza is the only player mentioned that has made it out of the 1st round and surprisingly signed for more than the tax-MLE (a lot more).
 

Well, someone has to not play. Not going to play 15 guys on a nightly basis.

I fully expect the coaching staff to give Meyers a serious shot to earn minutes this season. How long that lasts if he doesn't step up: probably not long.

As to the OP: I have no idea who the five players are. That's what I keep you guys around for.

:cheers:
 
Hezonja & Beasley are obvious.
Parker, Ariza, Evans.
Agree on Hezonja, Beasley and Evans.

God I hope it wasn't Ariza. Even considering it should be a firing offense.
 
Hezonja has never played in the playoffs. Beasley and Evans have never been out of the first round. This year was Jabari Parker's first year playing in the playoffs and they lost in the 1st round too. Unless you mean Tony Parker in which case I think he would've signed for the tax-MLE.

Ariza is the only guy you listed that qualifies.

Olshey never said the 5 guys they targeted were playoff tested performers. And besides, Hezonja was already confirmed by Woj early in the off season.
 
Hezonja has never played in the playoffs. Beasley and Evans have never been out of the first round. This year was Jabari Parker's first year playing in the playoffs and they lost in the 1st round too. Unless you mean Tony Parker in which case I think he would've signed for the tax-MLE.

Ariza is the only guy you listed that qualifies.

I just think those are the 5 guys which were targeted.
Hezonja was targeted and Portland thought they had him until he went to the Knicks.
At least that's what the media portrayed it as.
This forum was sad when he went there instead of Portland too.

There was a thread saying Portland was interested in Beasley before FA started. Or was it early in FA? i don't remember.
These two were obvious targets which leaked to the media.

The other three, I'm not going to hold a candle to 'proven playoff performers'.
If he wants that, then it's going to be old guys who I just don't see why you'd ad someone like Korver to Portland's roster.
So I'll stick with the 5 I listed and hope NO wasn't going after guys like Korver.
 
Agree on Hezonja, Beasley and Evans.

God I hope it wasn't Ariza. Even considering it should be a firing offense.

I understand, but I was never a huge Rudy fan.
Never like to see an injury, and it was a dirty play he made.
But I don't think Ariza went into the game pre-meditating about hurting someone intentionally.
Young player making a mistake, he should know better. But I'm not going to hate him for it.

Unless there is something I forgot about. I can get past this.
 

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