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blue9 said:
Nurk is a better playmaker than Turner. And IMO, our offense should primarily be ran through Nurk.
Turner doesn't belong on the team.
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I am not sure about setting up your offense to run through a center. When needed sure, but Nurk is the only center on the team who you can do that with and he is only going to average 3o minutes a game.
 
BonesJones said:
Because he can't shoot. Where's your source that says that's the best line-up? I doubt it was.
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Lineup of Dame, CJ, Aminu,ET, and Plumlee had ORTG of 113 with DRTG of 95. Best overall lineup pre Nurkic.
 
BonesJones said:
Meyers is not a PF.
Turner starting would be bad. We need shooting not ball handling next to Dame and CJ.
We need shooting off the bench. For that reason Morrow should play over Goodwin.
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Agreed we need shooting next to Dame and CJ, but I would not consider Harkless a shooter. He is adequate for sure from 3pt range and he can cut to the basket. Nothing in between. I think ET would be a better scorer, but yeah Harkless can spread the floor better.

But if you really want a shooter to start at SF, sadly there is only one potential one on the roster. I think if you gave Layman a chance to start like they gave Vonleh in the past, he would surpass Harkless on offense. How much better is Harkless on defensive though? He is better for sure but it's not like he shut down anyone last year.

Not saying start Jake, just that he has the most potential. Of course if ET's 3 point shot improves due to his work this summer then he becomes the best option....unless Harkless improves too. Someone needs to.
 
Scalma said:
Lineup of Dame, CJ, Aminu,ET, and Plumlee had ORTG of 113 with DRTG of 95. Best overall lineup pre Nurkic.
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Plumlee doesn't need the ball like Nurkic does that's why Turner could've fit better there.

Still makes sense for ET to come off the bench from a fit standpoint.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Agreed we need shooting next to Dame and CJ, but I would not consider Harkless a shooter. He is adequate for sure from 3pt range and he can cut to the basket. Nothing in between. I think ET would be a better scorer, but yeah Harkless can spread the floor better.

But if you really want a shooter to start at SF, sadly there is only one potential one on the roster. I think if you gave Layman a chance to start like they gave Vonleh in the past, he would surpass Harkless on offense. How much better is Harkless on defensive though? He is better for sure but it's not like he shut down anyone last year.

Not saying start Jake, just that he has the most potential. Of course if ET's 3 point shot improves due to his work this summer then he becomes the best option....unless Harkless improves too. Someone needs to.
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I know Moes average but at least he commands a little respect.
 
BonesJones said:
Plumlee doesn't need the ball like Nurkic does that's why Turner could've fit better there.
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How would that affect efficiency? If anything that same lineup with Nurkic instead of Plumlee should be even better since Nurkic creates more spacing and demands more attention from a defense.
 
BonesJones said:
I know Moes average but at least he commands a little respect.
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I can almost guarantee that Turner gets more respect when teams do their game planning than Harkless. And Turner is smart. He knows his limitations. It's not like he's out there jacking up threes.
 
Scalma said:
How would that affect efficiency? If anything that same lineup with Nurkic instead of Plumlee should be even better since Nurkic creates more spacing and demands more attention from a defense.
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It's not about spacing it's about touch distribution. The sample size of that line-up is questionable.
 
I'm all in on not trading for Kanter. A lot of money to spend on a guy to back up Nurkic who can't slide into the 4 spot as well. If we want to trade for a good big with a big pay check, we need make sure he can play the 4 and the 5.
 
Don't worry, I'll be here when Turner is in the closing lineup while Harkless sits on the bench and then you can tell me how much I don't know about basketball.
 
I can't wait to see Kurk, Noah, and ET in the paint together. They are going to wreck bitches when they get it figured out.

Bronze.
 
What's funny about ET/Nurk is when we traded for Nurk I was actually really looking forward to seeing him play off of Turner so it's funny now reading opinions that they can't work together with Dame and CJ. Not saying it's wrong because nobody knows that for a fact, just funny.
 
Scalma said:
first you said it was spacing, now touch distribution. Which one is it?
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Spacing is a factor but that's not the point I'm ultimately trying to make. You have someone who plays good with the ball, and someone who plays good without it. Which is the better fit to put next to 3 ball dominant players? It's simple.

And no, I don't count Plumlee as a ball dominant player, in terms of someone who needs touches (like Nurk does).
 
Scalma said:
What's funny about ET/Nurk is when we traded for Nurk I was actually really looking forward to seeing him play off of Turner so it's funny now reading opinions that they can't work together with Dame and CJ. Not saying it's wrong because nobody knows that for a fact, just funny.
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I'm with you. As long as there is a floor spacer such as CJ or Dame on the floor, the Nurk/ET connection is going to be electric.
 
Scalma said:
What's funny about ET/Nurk is when we traded for Nurk I was actually really looking forward to seeing him play off of Turner so it's funny now reading opinions that they can't work together with Dame and CJ. Not saying it's wrong because nobody knows that for a fact, just funny.
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They can work together but there's better rotational fits with different substitution patterns than you're suggesting.

In the end, Turner still plays half his minutes with Nurk.
 
Scalma said:
Don't worry, I'll be here when Turner is in the closing lineup while Harkless sits on the bench and then you can tell me how much I don't know about basketball.
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As if the ending lineup proves that you know about player cohesion and the optimal combinations of specific skill sets...

It doesn't.
 
Propagandist said:
I'm with you. As long as there is a floor spacer such as CJ or Dame on the floor, the Nurk/ET connection is going to be electric.
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Exactly. Turner is infect to bring in when one of them goes out.
 
Scalma said:
What's funny about ET/Nurk is when we traded for Nurk I was actually really looking forward to seeing him play off of Turner so it's funny now reading opinions that they can't work together with Dame and CJ. Not saying it's wrong because nobody knows that for a fact, just funny.
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It isn't about can or can't. It's about optimizing skill sets within certain lineups.

I also question how effective that duo can be. Nurk improved as a roll man working with Dame and CJ because they're two of the most dynamic pnr scorers in the league. Turner on the other hand is a guy that you can play under and drop coverage on which limits the threat of the roller. He also doesn't have the greatest instincts or tools as a cutter.
 
BonesJones said:
Why the hell would we do that?
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We get rid of Meyers and get a legit backup center. We don't need a Center that can play the 4/5. We have enough PF. The Knicks get there man in Harkless and we get a real center that can backup Nurk.
 
BonesJones said:
As if the ending lineup proves that you know about player cohesion and the optimal combinations of specific skill sets...

It doesn't.
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Uhhhh it kinda does. If I say they will play together and they end up playing together when the game matters the most..uhhh yeah.
 
The whole argument started with the idea that Harkless spaces the court better than Turner, but the reality is that he really doesn't. Defenders don't sag off of Turner anymore than they do Harkless, but Turner can at least create for himself, and others. And I didn't even get to defense, where Turner is more consistent. I have yet to hear one legitimate argument as to how Harkless is a better fit with Dame/CJ/Nurk than Turner. At the end of the games that's what matters. Who starts or doesn't start really doesn't matter at that point. The best players finish games.
 
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