Politics 2020 Field - DNC (2 Viewers)

[barfo]

Well I listen to her today, speaking glowingly about her plan. No substanse though, not one quest I ask the TV was answered even as you did.

Well, it's early days. I'm sure she'll have opportunities to flesh it out.

barfo

 

[Lanny]

People who think Trump will win against anybody in the next election forget how much ammo anybody who opposes him has at their disposal for a campaign now...many candidates are considering running as independents anyway..distancing themselves from the two divorce court parties altogether which is my long term goal....fuck those two parties ...you want to drain the swamp, get those old farts out of office period. The next election I predict will not be partisan in nature but personal. It'll be a personality contest and the candidate who can work without partisan pressure will look damned attractive to the voting public. Trump will lose on his horrible record of vetting cabinet and staff members alone. His support is shrinking by the day. The media has effectively torched his camp's rhetoric.....he's retreated to the fake news defense and is surrounded with defense attorneys...he's lied blatantly...he's toast

ABT, Anybody but Trump.

 

[Lanny]

Tulsi's in rough waters already...

Tulsi Gabbard's presidential campaign in trouble just days after launch
By Louis Casiano | Fox News

U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, D-Hawaii, greets supporters in Honolulu, on Nov. 6, 2018. Gabbard, 37, announced last week that she would seek the nation's highest office in 2020. (Associated Press)

U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard’s 2020 presidential campaign is already in trouble, just days after the Hawaii Democrat formally announced her White House bid, according to a report.

The congresswoman’s campaign manager, Rania Batrice, and consulting firm, Revolution Messaging, are set to depart, Politico reported Tuesday. Gabbard will rely on her sister to fill the void, the report said.

“Rania Batrice is a longtime adviser and friend and remains so,” Erika Tsuji, a campaign spokeswoman, told the news outlet. Tsuji said Revolution Messaging was hired only for the launch portion of the campaign.

TULSI GABBARD UNDER FIRE FOR PAST ANTI-GAY REMARKS AMID 2020 BID, SAYS SHE HAS SINCE 'EVOLVED'

Gabbard's campaign did not immediately respond to a Fox News request for comment Tuesday night.

Batrice described Gabbard as a close friend, Politico reported, and said "it’s been an honor to work with her over the last few years. I wish her all the best as she mounts her historic campaign.”

She previously served as deputy campaign manager for U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders' 2016 bid.

In addition to losing Batrice, Gabbard, 37, is also under fire for a public feud with U.S. Sen. Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii, over her questioning of a judicial nominee and other Democratic politicians in the Aloha State. She will also have to defend her House seat against state Sen. Kai Kahele, a Democrat, who recently announced his candidacy.

People familiar with Gabbard’s presidential bid described her to Politico as someone who is indecisive and impulsive. In early January, she announced on CNN that she was running for president, a move that blindsided her staff and suggested a disconnect between her and her team.

Her formal announcement on Friday left her aides working into the night to get her campaign website and social media accounts up online. The campaign plans to have a formal kickoff in Hawaii on Saturday.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

That's not trouble. Here's trouble -
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...advisers-have-been-convicted-and-who-are-they

 

[Lanny]

Here’s the thing:




It doesn’t matter. His voters don’t care. Unless he rapes someone on film he’s fine.

Nope, he can rape them on film or shoot them on Fifth Avenue and the dummies will still support him.

 

[MarAzul]

Well, it's early days. I'm sure she'll have opportunities to flesh it out.

barfo

Yeah well, the pay out rate that Medicare uses today, screws everyone in the system. Damn hard to see how more of that is popular with an average man.
Only a democrat I guess. It is not cheap either, the wife and I were paying over 4500 a year for Medicare premiums and supplemental insurance.
Way higher that at for healthcare than at any of the time I worked. I gave it up as not worth it, when I couldn't find another doctor in my area that would take
a new medicare patient after the doctor I had retired with the implementation of Obama care.

I don't think the lady or the people she is talking to, have a clue what the hell they are talking about. Why does anyone want to have coverage that only pays
a doctor enough that he/she considers you a charity case?

 

[Hoopguru]

Nope, he can rape them on film or shoot them on Fifth Avenue and the dummies will still support him.

I just heard on CNN that Hillary hasn't counted out running again, because she feels she has loyal followers and she would get the minority vote a win the nomination.
The Clinton Machine is being re-tooled!

 

[barfo]

I just heard on CNN that Hillary hasn't counted out running again, because she feels she has loyal followers and she would get the minority vote a win the nomination.
The Clinton Machine is being re-tooled!

Not sure why you are so excited about her running, but it's almost surely not going to happen.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Yeah well, the pay out rate that Medicare uses today, screws everyone in the system. Damn hard to see how more of that is popular with an average man.
Only a democrat I guess. It is not cheap either, the wife and I were paying over 4500 a year for Medicare premiums and supplemental insurance.
Way higher that at for healthcare than at any of the time I worked. I gave it up as not worth it, when I couldn't find another doctor in my area that would take
a new medicare patient after the doctor I had retired with the implementation of Obama care.

I don't think the lady or the people she is talking to, have a clue what the hell they are talking about. Why does anyone want to have coverage that only pays
a doctor enough that he/she considers you a charity case?

Yes, why would anyone want to keep healthcare costs down? It's American to pay as much as possible! Doctors need Lamborghinis, after all.

How much of the $4500 was Medicare and how much was the private insurance?

barfo

 

[Hoopguru]

Not sure why you are so excited about her running, but it's almost surely not going to happen.

barfo

Not excited at all, its just that many think she is washed up and won't run. Why is that?
She's always felt it's her rightful reign.
I think you underestimate her desire and ability to lobby support.
Time will tell...

 

[MarAzul]

Yes, why would anyone want to keep healthcare costs down? It's American to pay as much as possible! Doctors need Lamborghinis, after all.

How much of the $4500 was Medicare and how much was the private insurance?

barfo

Right now it's about $3120 a year for two people on Medicare. The rest was supplemental insurance.

Medicare will leave you holding the bag if you need to go into the hospital for a couple days, so you need some insurance anyway.
I just dropped the damn thing when I lost the retirement supplemental package which was good any where world wide.

Ha! What will people think of Kamala's plan when they find out, she is purposing to relieve the employers that now provide healthcare coverage from the burden, and then they have to start paying the Medicare tab???? That will be an awakening!

 

[barfo]

Not excited at all, its just that many think she is washed up and won't run. Why is that?
She's always felt it's her rightful reign.
I think you underestimate her desire and ability to lobby support.
Time will tell...

Well, I was pretty much the biggest Clinton supporter here in 2016 and even I don't think she should run again, so where do you think this support is going to come from? Who do you talk to that tells you that Clinton is their preferred candidate for 2020?

barfo

 

[Lanny]

Yes, why would anyone want to keep healthcare costs down? It's American to pay as much as possible! Doctors need Lamborghinis, after all.

How much of the $4500 was Medicare and how much was the private insurance?

barfo

It's not a Ferrari but it's still pretty good.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Kamala is down and out in one week. Lol

 

[Lanny]

Well, I was pretty much the biggest Clinton supporter here in 2016 and even I don't think she should run again, so where do you think this support is going to come from? Who do you talk to that tells you that Clinton is their preferred candidate for 2020?

barfo

They're also not talking to me and I was also a big Hillary supporter in 2016. Natch, I'd be happy if she won this time but I can assure all nervous Nellies that I see no way that she'll run. The support from the other 64 Million of us is no longer there.

 

[barfo]

Ha! What will people think of Kamala's plan when they find out, she is pruposing to relieve the empoyers that now provide healthcare coverage from the burden, and then they have to start paying the Medicare tab???? That will be an awakening!

Well, it's certainly true that you'll be able to scream about 'tax increases', while ignoring the corresponding savings from not paying premiums.
That will be a disingenuous argument, but it is clearly a powerful one.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Kamala is down and out in one week. Lol

In what way?

barfo

 

[Hoopguru]

Well, I was pretty much the biggest Clinton supporter here in 2016 and even I don't think she should run again, so where do you think this support is going to come from? Who do you talk to that tells you that Clinton is their preferred candidate for 2020?

barfo

I heard on can that one of her campaign people said she's "never say never" at this point. And that she could win the minority vote couple with her supporters she could beat out the big democratic field for the nomination. You don't think she feels entitled to the nomination? I bet she is pissed that these other ladies are in the fight for what she feels is rightfully hers.

 

[barfo]

I heard on can that one of her campaign people said she's "never say never" at this point. And that she could win the minority vote couple with her supporters she could beat out the big democratic field for the nomination. You don't think she feels entitled to the nomination? I bet she is pissed that these other ladies are in the fight for what she feels is rightfully hers.

Shit, I think I should not only be President, but King.

Doesn't mean it is ever going to happen.

I think you are paying too much attention to what you imagine her feelings are, and too little to political reality.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

not paying premiums.

Most of those people that are provided health care coverage by self insured employers do not see premiums. They pay them of course but not directly, nor do they pay taxes on the this shielded income. It will be a huge new whack, to lose what they had, replaced by the vastly inferior Medicare coverage and then have to pay the government monthly for it to boot. I can assure you, it will piss off 60% of the population once they get the picture. But wait until they can't find a doctor that will accept more Medicare patience.
Ha! The shit will hit the fan!

 

[Lanny]

I heard on can that one of her campaign people said she's "never say never" at this point. And that she could win the minority vote couple with her supporters she could beat out the big democratic field for the nomination. You don't think she feels entitled to the nomination? I bet she is pissed that these other ladies are in the fight for what she feels is rightfully hers.

I think you're projecting a little too much.

 

[Further]

We shall see how it works out, but my guess is the those who are currently uninsured through work will at least have Medicare while most folks whose companies provide insurance will pay get the Medicare in addition to a now less expensive supplemental insurance. My employer pays about $900/month for me, and that is part of what they decided that need to pay me in order to higher/retain me. Some companies may try and scrub an additive plan but they will lose qualified employers. My company pays tuition reimbursement, up to 5 weeks vacation, ira matching dental and a shitload more. They offer those as incentives to work for them.

But, I’m sure not every company is like that. But the economics of employee retention will dictate to most companies to either continue to off something in addition to Medicare or increase pay so we can shop for the suplemtal ourselves.

 

[MarAzul]

I listen to Schultz awhile this morning. He will kill most of the Democrats with a logic in democrat clothing. More that likely suck up at least a third of the Democrat vote.

Heh heh! More than enough!

 

[MarAzul]

We shall see how it works out, but my guess is the those who are currently uninsured through work will at least have Medicare while most folks whose companies provide insurance will pay get the Medicare in addition to a now less expensive supplemental insurance. My employer pays about $900/month for me, and that is part of what they decided that need to pay me in order to higher/retain me. Some companies may try and scrub an additive plan but they will lose qualified employers. My company pays tuition reimbursement, up to 5 weeks vacation, ira matching dental and a shitload more. They offer those as incentives to work for them.

But, I’m sure not every company is like that. But the economics of employee retention will dictate to most companies to either continue to off something in addition to Medicare or increase pay so we can shop for the suplemtal ourselves.

I think they (the employers) will do exactly what the new law requires. No longer will they need to consider what benefits are needed to keep you (Further) because
the government will have herded you all into the same corral, where Medicare is your coverage with perhaps what ever additional insurance will be legal. You can bet your last dime that if an employer provides addition coverage, the cost will be taxable income to you. Not like it is today.


This is always the pattern when government (democrats) get involved, Standardization for all! No better deal to be found! Certainly not by employers whom might pick and choose whom to offer better benefits.

 

[riverman]

I think they (the employers) will do exactly what the new law requires.

I'd venture to say that's a stretch....they never have at least as far as a blanket statement would suggest. If they did we wouldn't have employers who pay people under the table or off the books. Or hide their profits from tax by using overseas shelters or laundering money...to assume in a country as complex as ours that employers fall in line with any law is in my view...naive

 

[Lanny]

Shit, I think I should not only be President, but King.

Doesn't mean it is ever going to happen.

I think you are paying too much attention to what you imagine her feelings are, and too little to political reality.

barfo

I'm sorry, there's just no room for two kings here so, get lost.

 

[riverman]

I'm sorry, there's just no room for two kings here so, get lost.

You've never played chess? ROOK!!!

 

[MarAzul]

I'd venture to say that's a stretch....they never have at least as far as a blanket statement would suggest. If they did we wouldn't have employers who pay people under the table or off the books. Or hide their profits from tax by using overseas shelters or laundering money...to assume in a country as complex as ours that employers fall in line with any law is in my view...naive

You maybe correct river. But then, I am not speaking of that class of employers, I am thinking of the gang that provides coverage now to 60+% of the population with self insured coverage.
They rarely do other than what the government requires once the government sticks it's nose under that particular tent.

 

[barfo]

You maybe correct river. But then, I am not speaking of that class of employers, I am thinking of the gang that provides coverage now to 60+% of the population with self insured coverage.
They rarely do other than what the government requires once the government sticks it's nose under that particular tent.

That makes little sense - if an employer can gain an advantage by offering something different than other companies, they will do so.
To say that there would be no potential advantage to offering supplemental insurance is to say that the government run program will be so good that it cannot be improved upon - an odd position for you to take.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

In what way?

barfo

POLLING DATAZZ

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]