Trade 2021 Off-Season Trade Ideas

[JoshuaHall]

I tend to agree with you.. CJ and DJJ aren't that good... kind of what I've been saying for a while when making the case this roster wasn't as talented as others were making it out to be.

They’re good. But CJ is significantly older. And DJJ is a possible rotation piece; not a piece that makes up for a massive age gap.

 

[Tince]

It's not that they aren't that good, it's that Jaylen Brown is extremely good and young. There's different degrees of good.

Agreed again... what I've been trying to say all along.

 

[beast blazer]

Cj to the knicks for a 1st round pick

 

[Tince]

They’re good. But CJ is significantly older. And DJJ is a possible rotation piece; not a piece that makes up for a massive age gap.

The phrase "that good" was probably poor and too subjective on my part.

As I keep pointing out, we've had multiple posters on here make a case that CJ is an all-star talent, something I've objected to. Brown, made his first all-star team last year and was the last eastern backcourt selected. The thought that we would need to add DJJ, Roco (who we traded 2 first round picks for) and ANOTHER 1st round pick would suggest that the different between CJ and guy who barely made the all-star team is somewhat significant; which was my point all along... we haven't had a real all-star talent next to Dame.

 

[BigGameDamian]

We don't even have a coach yet and we're talking about all these different trades....

 

[LayneStaley]

I really like the idea of Sabonis but my top realistic choice would be Siakam, I feel like he and Dame would be very good together. So yes that’s my fantasy trade and picks would have to be involved. We better acquire some 2nd rounders to use for depth though.

Dame
Powell
Warren
Siakam
Sabonis

I think that’s a top 3 starting unit.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Siakam is pretty meh. His advanced metrics are also very meh.

Sabonis/KAT or bust!

 

[Graduate32]

With that $12mil TPE we could get Larry nance who isn’t a bad option

We cannot trade that pick because we have to use it. We can trade the rights to it after we use it but you are not allowed to trade away a first rounder if you haven't used one the season before. That's why until we knew that our pick was going to the Rockets we couldn't trade any of our picks because we didn't know which pick it would be mandatory for us to use. There are ways to circumvent this but that would mean acquiring another 2022 first rounder.

We cannot trade that pick because we have to use it. We can trade the rights to it after we use it but you are not allowed to trade away a first rounder if you haven't used one the season before. That's why until we knew that our pick was going to the Rockets we couldn't trade any of our picks because we didn't know which pick it would be mandatory for us to use. There are ways to circumvent this but that would mean acquiring another 2022 first rounder.

This is actually a common misconception. The Stepien rule is only forward looking. Right now we can't trade the 2022 pick, but after the draft, perhaps once the new league year begins, we will again be eligible to trade the 2022 pick (because we have our 2023 pick). These rules are essentially how we got roco for two consecutive first round picks. So any trade of the 2022 pick during the draft could not become official until the new league year begins.

 

[GDiama]

well, I’m just glad we have an expert analyst here to guide us through - at least we agree that CJ and Nurk are worthless

Yeah i said about fit and you said about big body. Clearly you have the upper hand.

 

[DDolla]

Guys how about Jaylen Brown for CJ?

 

[MickZagger]

Guys how about Jaylen Brown for CJ?

In a heartbeat. But why in the world would the Celtics do that?

 

[tester551]

We cannot trade that pick because we have to use it. We can trade the rights to it after we use it but you are not allowed to trade away a first rounder if you haven't used one the season before. That's why until we knew that our pick was going to the Rockets we couldn't trade any of our picks because we didn't know which pick it would be mandatory for us to use. There are ways to circumvent this but that would mean acquiring another 2022 first rounder.

Incorrect. Portland CAN trade the '22 pick 10 minutes after the draft is done. There are no other restrictions at that point

 

[julius]

Incorrect. Portland CAN trade the '22 pick 10 minutes after the draft is done. There are no other restrictions at that point

I thought it was after the 1st round was done?

 

[pougie]

Would anyone consider a trade where

POR: CJ, DJJ, lotto-protected 1st —> Brown, Olynyk, House Jr

CLE gets: Sexton, Love, lotto-protected 1st —> CJ, DJJ

BOS gets: Brown, Kemba —> Love, Sexton, Gordon

HOU gets: Olynyk, House Jr, Gordon —> Kemba, lotto-protected CLE 1st, lotto-protected POR 1st

Works in the trade machine. The only team I can see having reservations would be BOS. But I think Love’s trade value would go up playing on a playoff contending team. Any opinions on the trade idea welcome.

Blazers lineup:
Dame/Powell/Brown/Covington/Nurkic
Simons/House Jr/Little/Olynyk/Collins?

Haven’t worked out numbers but we would either need to find a vet pg that doesn’t need a lot of playing time OR a backup pg and slide Simons —>2, House—>3, Little—>4, Olynyk—>5 in case Collins is now just out of the Blazer picture completely.

 

[BonesJones]

The phrase "that good" was probably poor and too subjective on my part.

As I keep pointing out, we've had multiple posters on here make a case that CJ is an all-star talent, something I've objected to. Brown, made his first all-star team last year and was the last eastern backcourt selected. The thought that we would need to add DJJ, Roco (who we traded 2 first round picks for) and ANOTHER 1st round pick would suggest that the different between CJ and guy who barely made the all-star team is somewhat significant; which was my point all along... we haven't had a real all-star talent next to Dame.

Can you try guaging talent in a better way than simply than all-star voting?

 

[BonesJones]

Would anyone consider a trade where

POR: CJ, DJJ, lotto-protected 1st —> Brown, Olynyk, House Jr

CLE gets: Sexton, Love, lotto-protected 1st —> CJ, DJJ

BOS gets: Brown, Kemba —> Love, Sexton, Gordon

HOU gets: Olynyk, House Jr, Gordon —> Kemba, lotto-protected CLE 1st, lotto-protected POR 1st

Works in the trade machine. The only team I can see having reservations would be BOS. But I think Love’s trade value would go up playing on a playoff contending team. Any opinions on the trade idea welcome.

Blazers lineup:
Dame/Powell/Brown/Covington/Nurkic
Simons/House Jr/Little/Olynyk/Collins?

Haven’t worked out numbers but we would either need to find a vet pg that doesn’t need a lot of playing time OR a backup pg and slide Simons —>2, House—>3, Little—>4, Olynyk—>5 in case Collins is now just out of the Blazer picture completely.

Olynyk's a free agent so he can't be traded.

I don't see why Cleveland or Boston would consider that.

 

[BonesJones]

Siakam is pretty meh. His advanced metrics are also very meh.

Sabonis/KAT or bust!

I see you don't care about defense.

Siakam is a great fit. He's struggled as the #1 guy, he's terrific as a #2. His skillset would mesh extremely well.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I see you don't care about defense.

Siakam is a great fit. He's struggled as the #1 guy, he's terrific as a #2. His skillset would mesh extremely well.

This, exactly

 

[blazedanugz]

In a heartbeat. But why in the world would the Celtics do that?

there is a lot of shit going on behind the scenes in Boston.

I have a very..very good source.
I know that’s annoying to you guys but I can’t reveal lol

 

[tester551]

there is a lot of shit going on behind the scenes in Boston.

I have a very..very good source.
I know that’s annoying to you guys but I can’t reveal lol

Can you give some more insight on what you think is going on there?

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

there is a lot of shit going on behind the scenes in Boston.

I have a very..very good source.
I know that’s annoying to you guys but I can’t reveal lol

There may be a lot of shit going on but that doesn't mean they trade Brown for Sexton and take on two bad contracts besides.

 

[pougie]

Olynyk's a free agent so he can't be traded.

I don't see why Cleveland or Boston would consider that.

Ahh thought Olynyk had another year. And fair, no good trade ideas come at 3am ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Key pieces for the “team” considering basketball is a team sport and we need a close-knit group on the court and in the locker room:

Dame = no better leader
Kanter = hard working, enthusiastic team mate
Melo = hall of famer that is a coach as much as he is an off-the-bench scorer [should be used a bit less in 21-22, but provided he’s ok with this, he’s an important cog in a championship team
RoCo = I’m not certain he’s a starter. I like this guy but I believe he should be used in a trade with CJ to bring us a star
Nurkic = if we cannot bring in Sabonis or Towns, we must keep Nurkic
DJJ = He is poison. Trade him
Ant = I see Ant as a starter next to Dame! I believe that Powell will move on.
Collins = injury prone. Maybe he’ll become great - probably just hurt. Trade him or let him go

So here is what we have, based upon the above:

Dame + vet point guard
Ant + a vet defender
Free Agent + Little
Star PF vía Trade of RoCo & CJ + free agent + Melo
Nurkic + Kanter + draft picks

we have a lot of holes and realistically only CJ / RoCo / Collins and picks as trade bait

what free agent(s) will want to come to Portland?

looks a bit bleak to me.

summation:

we will keep everyone we can and sign Powell. Only RoCo and DJJ will be traded. OLSHEY will get one more year and the new coach won’t be Kidd or Billups -

 

[wizenheimer]

I see you don't care about defense.

Siakam is a great fit. He's struggled as the #1 guy, he's terrific as a #2. His skillset would mesh extremely well.

we disagree about several things but you're right on this I believe

Dane-Powell-RoCo-Siakam-Nurkic is certainly better than any realistic lineup Portland can field with CJ. That's actually a lineup that offers great defensive potential

Siakam had by far his best season when he was a 2nd option, and sometimes 3rd

 

[Tince]

Can you try guaging talent in a better way than simply than all-star voting?

I think you did a great job of that.

Brown > CJ + Roco + DJJ + 1st pick (in your opinion).

We could use my eye test on talent as well. Based off my eye test, we don't have a contending roster.

 

[illmatic99]

New York is an obvious destination for CJ. They want someone like him because they're desperate for guard help and don't care about spending $. And CJ would probably be an all star in the east, especially in that market.

They also have a bunch of cheap young pieces and draft picks, as well as caproom (after the draft) to absorb his contract in a lopsided deal. We can clear his contract for Toppin/picks or if they're feeling generous, RJ Barrett, and then use the trade exception we create to try to fill out the roster for better fits.

Unless there's an obvious deal for a guy who makes ~30 mil who plays a forward position, i think the kinda deal I suggested is what will happen with CJ.

 

[blazerkor]

New York is an obvious destination for CJ. They want someone like him because they're desperate for guard help and don't care about spending $. And CJ would probably be an all star in the east, especially in that market.

They also have a bunch of cheap young pieces and draft picks, as well as caproom to absorb his contract in a lopsided deal.

I don't think CJ would be an all star in the East but I do think he'd get more votes than he has before. I do think that the Knicks would give up three out of: the 19th pick, 21st pick, Toppin and Quickley for CJ and eat the difference in salaries. I think that would get us close to someone like Siakam... maybe we would have to add in another future pick ourselves to make it work for Toronto. This is all if Toronto correctly no longer sees Siakam as a number one option to build a contender around.

 

[wizenheimer]

New York is an obvious destination for CJ. They want someone like him because they're desperate for guard help and don't care about spending $. And CJ would probably be an all star in the east, especially in that market.

They also have a bunch of cheap young pieces and draft picks, as well as caproom (after the draft) to absorb his contract in a lopsided deal. We can clear his contract for Toppin/picks or if they're feeling generous, RJ Barrett, and then use the trade exception we create to try to fill out the roster for better fits.

Unless there's an obvious deal for a guy who makes ~30 mil who plays a forward position, i think the kinda deal I suggested is what will happen with CJ.

I don't believe CJ would be an all-star in the East, but maybe the Knicks would, and that may be all it would take

it may be that a lop-sided trade that clears a lot of salary is the best Portland can do. Getting somebody like Barret would be great, especially if the Knicks included a future pick. I wouldn't even mind using part of the TPE to do a S&T for Rose as part of the deal

 

[B-Roy]

If Sacramento is trying to clear salary I would want to try something like this:

SAC gets:
1st from NYK (19th)
1st from NYK via DAL (21st)
Kevin Knox
DJJ

NYK gets:
CJ

POR gets:
Hield
Barnes

Pay out the ass to retain Powell. Hield is the offense off the bench. Sacramento gets two firsts and cap room, and gets out of Hield's contract. Barnes is not useful for a rebuilding team anyways. Not really sure if Sacramento would do this though. And a lot of it really depends on NYKs evaluation of CJ. I'm sure they will try to sign someone first with their cap room. I don't know if they are willing to trade two firsts for CJ.

 

[MickZagger]

If Sacramento is trying to clear salary I would want to try something like this:

SAC gets:
1st from NYK (19th)
1st from NYK via DAL (21st)
Kevin Knox
DJJ

NYK gets:
CJ

POR gets:
Hield
Barnes

Pay out the ass to retain Powell. Hield is the offense off the bench. Sacramento gets two firsts and cap room, and gets out of Hield's contract. Barnes is not useful for a rebuilding team anyways. Not really sure if Sacramento would do this though. And a lot of it really depends on NYKs evaluation of CJ. I'm sure they will try to sign someone first with their cap room. I don't know if they are willing to trade two firsts for CJ.

I just don’t see how that makes us any better. Maybe a little deeper. What we really need is another very solid/borderline star player.