Game Thread 2022-23 Game #18 - BLAZERS @ CAVALIERS - NOVEMBER 23, 2022 - WEDNESDAY - 4:00 PM (PDT) ROOT

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it's something weird around here when I have to be the one advocating some patience with Simons. People are acting like Simons should be able to carry the team like Dame can. Simons ain't Dame; of course, Dame probably gets trashed around here more than Ant

yeah, it would help if Ant was consistent within a game and bring offense for more than a 7-10 minute stretch. But he can get there I think. I also think those believing he's a PG are just as wrong as those believing CJ was a PG. Ant is a hybrid guard right now and he just don't have the court-vision to consistently run the team. But again, he's a long way from a finished product
 
DaLong said:
Oh, Klay is done. I didn't expect him back but I'd take a 2nd round pick or some expiring contracts.
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He's not done. He has some good games left, but he's not the player he was before his knee injury.
 
wizenheimer said:
it's something weird around here when I have to be the one advocating some patience with Simons. People are acting like Simons should be able to carry the team like Dame can. Simons ain't Dame; of course, Dame probably gets trashed around here more than Ant

yeah, it would help if Ant was consistent within a game and bring offense for more than a 7-10 minute stretch. But he can get there I think. I also think those believing he's a PG are just as wrong as those believing CJ was a PG. Ant is a hybrid guard right now and he just don't have the court-vision to consistently run the team. But again, he's a long way from a finished product
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This.

I swear people on here have too much PTSD from the Dame/CJ era to give Ant any fair shot. People are judging him as a finished product when he’s far from it. People ignore the drastic improvement he made in a short period of time.
 
DaLong said:
Oh, Klay is done. I didn't expect him back but I'd take a 2nd round pick or some expiring contracts.
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I would take this also. Ant is just CJ again but sometimes actually worse. His contract is horrendous. Klay is an awful option.
 
Obviously we wished the game would be closer, but beating this level of a team, on the road, without Dame was a big ask.
 
Tince said:
Obviously we wished the game would be closer, but beating this level of a team, on the road, without Dame was a big ask.
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Ant just said he wanted to be an allstar this season but this isn't how he achieves that...he's not playing a consistent game since our last road trip. It's got to be mental because everyone knows he can shoot and pass better than he has been for a stretch here
 
FlashWad said:
You are right about Ant. I doubt anyone wants to take him though. 100 million player…smh
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Hes ok. He’s still young. But he isn’t worth 100M he’s just basically an inefficient version of Cj that’s about it
 
OneSport3 said:
This.

I swear people on here have too much PTSD from the Dame/CJ era to give Ant any fair shot. People are judging him as a finished product when he’s far from it. People ignore the drastic improvement he made in a short period of time.
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people hated cj mccollum game, its not hard to see that were gonna hate simons game too

i liked simons when he was running the offense last season, he made improvements in playmaking, but i dont like him playing shooting guard, its cj mccollum vol 2 (selfish chucker that is)
 
OneSport3 said:
This.

I swear people on here have too much PTSD from the Dame/CJ era to give Ant any fair shot. People are judging him as a finished product when he’s far from it. People ignore the drastic improvement he made in a short period of time.
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I just think with his limitations/contract/usage we would need him to be a Steph level shooter or heck I'd take a 46/41/90 to be in the conversation for a championship, and yeah I just doubt it.
 
wizenheimer said:
it's something weird around here when I have to be the one advocating some patience with Simons. People are acting like Simons should be able to carry the team like Dame can. Simons ain't Dame; of course, Dame probably gets trashed around here more than Ant

yeah, it would help if Ant was consistent within a game and bring offense for more than a 7-10 minute stretch. But he can get there I think. I also think those believing he's a PG are just as wrong as those believing CJ was a PG. Ant is a hybrid guard right now and he just don't have the court-vision to consistently run the team. But again, he's a long way from a finished product
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Problem is he's paid like a finished product and well beyond his rookie development era....it's time for him to impact wins consistently and run the team...he has shown he can be a pt guard last season...this season he's a turnover machine who's not shooting great until it's too late. He's showing he's not leading when Dame's out much
 
DaLong said:
I just think with his limitations/contract we would need him to be a Steph level shooter or heck I'd take a 46/41/90 to be in the conversation for a championship, and yeah I just doubt it.
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Like I said you are judging him like he is a finished product. He’s far from it. He’s only 18 games into his role as a starter.
 
OneSport3 said:
Like I said you are judging him like he is a finished product. He’s far from it. He’s only 18 games into his role as a starter.
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He had part of a season as a starter last year to add to those 18 games.....he's no longer a rookie
 
OneSport3 said:
Like I said you are judging him like he is a finished product. He’s far from it. He’s only 18 games into his role as a starter.
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Sure but he's a chucker now. You're right maybe one day he'll stop chucking, as I said earlier I hope he does.
 
18 games in we can start to see what we have here....after this road trip we've got a 20 game sample size
 
riverman said:
Ant just said he wanted to be an allstar this season but this isn't how he achieves that...he's not playing a consistent game since our last road trip. It's got to be mental because everyone knows he can shoot and pass better than he has been for a stretch here
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Ant can join the 100 other players in the league who want to be an all-star. Becoming one is difficult as someone as talented as CJ proved. Neither Ant nor Grant are consistent enough to be all-stars. Doesn't mean they're bad players either.

What we shouldn't do is have significantly higher expectations for Ant this year because of how much more money he's making. Paying a guy more, doesn't make him better. Ant is a good NBA player in my opinion, he's not a great player at this time.
 
riverman said:
18 games in we can start to see what we have here....after this road trip we've got a 20 game sample size
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Bingo... got to wait for a quarter of the season to really make educated adjustments to your preseason predictions. Overall, this start has still exceeded my expectations.
 
Tince said:
Ant can join the 100 other players in the league who want to be an all-star. Becoming one is difficult as someone as talented as CJ proved. Neither Ant nor Grant are consistent enough to be all-stars. Doesn't mean they're bad players either.

What we shouldn't do is have significantly higher expectations for Ant this year because of how much more money he's making. Paying a guy more, doesn't make him better. Ant is a good NBA player in my opinion, he's not a great player at this time.
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Well he has certainly been paid like one.
 
Tince said:
Ant can join the 100 other players in the league who want to be an all-star. Becoming one is difficult as someone as talented as CJ proved. Neither Ant nor Grant are consistent enough to be all-stars. Doesn't mean they're bad players either.

What we shouldn't do is have significantly higher expectations for Ant this year because of how much more money he's making. Paying a guy more, doesn't make him better. Ant is a good NBA player in my opinion, he's not a great player at this time.
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I absolutely have higher expectations for Ant this season because of his starting role, his money and his years as a Blazer...it's time for him to impact the team and right now, he's disappointing me when it comes to that. See if he turns it around. Shaedon is the project on this team, not Ant
 
Do they have 1 play for Sharpe? I feel like his direction from Billups is to go stand in the corner and look to cut baseline if its open.... I see some people saying how Sharpe has been playing bad but unless I'm missing something I feel like there is no effort to try to get him the ball at all on offense... even on fast breaks you can see him ahead of everyone anticipating a lop or a pass but the ball handler either goes 2 on 1 or slows the break... I might be wrong becasue im often working while watching games but it seems like whenever im watching he's basically the 5th option on the court.
 
So we are here guys. We all said 20 games was a fair sample size.
NOT GOOD!
 
riverman said:
He had part of a season as a starter last year to add to those 18 games.....he's no longer a rookie
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No one is claiming he’s a rookie. To fault him for the contract is unfair. These extensions are on scale for his level of player. Contract amounts are only increasing with anticipation of the next TV deal.

By no means am I comparing Ant’s abilities to Steph Curry, but there was a time when Warriors fans were ready to give up on Curry in favor of Monta Ellis.

I mean give the kid a full season as a starter before you judge him.
 
OneSport3 said:
No one is claiming he’s a rookie. To fault him for the contract is unfair. These extensions are on scale for his level of player. Contract amounts are only increasing with anticipation of the next TV deal.

By no means am I comparing Ant’s abilities to Steph Curry, but there was a time when Warriors fans were ready to give up on Curry in favor of Monta Ellis.

I mean give the kid a full season as a starter before you judge him.
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I don't fault him for his contract...I ask him to live up to it....I'm only disappointed in Ant for his recent stretch of play and not trying to make false equivalencies about it. He's a starter...I expect him to play better for 4 qtrs, not just one qtr a game.
 
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