Game Thread 2022-23 Game #72 - BLAZERS @ JAZZ - MARCH 22, 2023 - WEDNESDAY - 6:00 PM (PDT) ROOT

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MUST. NOT. COME. TO. GRAND. CONCLUSIONS. IN. A. MEANINGLESS. MARCH. GAME. WHERE. NEITHER. TEAM. WILL. MAKE. THE. PLAYOFFS.
 
Tince said:
MUST. NOT. COME. TO. GRAND. CONCLUSIONS. IN. A. MEANINGLESS. MARCH. GAME. WHERE. NEITHER. TEAM. WILL. MAKE. THE. PLAYOFFS.
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if it was a single game, devoid of any context, sure

but while it was a single game, we have the context of the 71 games before it, and that's pretty relevant context. So, some conclusions (not grand) are not just based on one game, but 72 games. And of course, we have the added context of over 800 games from Dame, 300 for Simons, 400 for Nurkic, 600 for Grant, more than 600 games of the Dame/CJ combo, and nearly 2 full seasons for Billups. Conclusions, of course, can be wrong, but there's more going into the judgements than just one meaningless game in March
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I was happy to see Watford and Nurk in there together for an extended time. They looked good but the way Watford plays I think he can fit well with most players.....at PF. He filled the stat sheet pretty well. 21/9 with 5 assists, 1 steal, 2 blocks, and only 1 TO in 35 minutes.

I know he has had some really bad games and it is usually caused by unforced errors. But I love his potential when he plays with the starters and the more he plays the fewer careless turnovers he will make IMO. He just needs to slow down at times and play under control. That is fixable
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According to the stats, Watford is shooting 43% on 3-pointers. That would be huge if he could keep hitting them at a good rate.
 
blazerfan11 said:
According to the stats, Watford is shooting 43% on 3-pointers. That would be huge if he could keep hitting them at a good rate.
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sure...problem is he has only shot 49. Too small a sample and I doubt he has shot any with a defender near

at one point this season, Nurkic was shooting over 45% on three's. He's at 36% now and in 2023 he's shooting 26%

still, I think there is a lot about Watford's game that is really encouraging and 3 point shooting is one of those things. He has a lot to prove and establish, but IMO he's doing great for a 22 year old undrafted player
 
illmatic99 said:
this roster is not good enough to have a 25 mil bench player. if we are sold on sharpe, we need to move Ant for a starter at wing/C asap and get shaedon in with Dame.
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Or Nurk/Watford/Sharpe/Ant/Dame.

or trade Dame (please) and look to the future</broken record>

I think Sharpe and Ant can learn to play together.
 
wizenheimer said:
Tince said:
MUST. NOT. COME. TO. GRAND. CONCLUSIONS. IN. A. MEANINGLESS. MARCH. GAME. WHERE. NEITHER. TEAM. WILL. MAKE. THE. PLAYOFFS.
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if it was a single game, devoid of any context, sure

but while it was a single game, we have the context of the 71 games before it, and that's pretty relevant context. So, some conclusions (not grand) are not just based on one game, but 72 games. And of course, we have the added context of over 800 games from Dame, 300 for Simons, 400 for Nurkic, 600 for Grant, more than 600 games of the Dame/CJ combo, and nearly 2 full seasons for Billups. Conclusions, of course, can be wrong, but there's more going into the judgements than just one meaningless game in March
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Agreed. Ant has shown to be a below average starter.

He can get hot and score a lot of points (so he has value), but he gives most of them back on the other end. It's based on that data set for Simons that he either needs to go to the bench or get traded. Sharpe's good game tonight is irrelevant to this point.
 
they better not trade shae, thats all im gonna say, kid is a baller

last night was a glimpse of what he can become
 
wizenheimer said:
if it was a single game, devoid of any context, sure

but while it was a single game, we have the context of the 71 games before it, and that's pretty relevant context. So, some conclusions (not grand) are not just based on one game, but 72 games. And of course, we have the added context of over 800 games from Dame, 300 for Simons, 400 for Nurkic, 600 for Grant, more than 600 games of the Dame/CJ combo, and nearly 2 full seasons for Billups. Conclusions, of course, can be wrong, but there's more going into the judgements than just one meaningless game in March
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Sharpe has been a net negative over the first 72 games. So if we're going off the larger body of work, tonight would just be considered an outlier.

If you are comfortable drawing a new conclusion about Sharpe from tonights performance, that's fine. I'm not.
 
MickZagger said:
It’s only March.

Lot of season left.
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Whyachi said:
Let's see if Billups tinkers with the lineup after winning the first game in 2 weeks.
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The lineups will be changing, but not because Billups is tinkering after a win, but because we'll be activating and deactivating other players as we try to obtain a better draft position.
 
Tince said:
Sharpe has been a net negative over the first 72 games. So if we're going off the larger body of work, tonight would just be considered an outlier.

If you are comfortable drawing a new conclusion about Sharpe from tonights performance, that's fine. I'm not.
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But he didn’t start with Dame during the 71 games. Plus, we’re enjoying Sharpe’s PROGRESS. In other words, better now than then.
 
Tince said:
The lineups will be changing, but not because Billups is tinkering after a win, but because we'll be activating and deactivating other players as we try to obtain a better draft position.
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What’s your source?
 
Tince said:
Sharpe has been a net negative over the first 72 games. So if we're going off the larger body of work, tonight would just be considered an outlier.

If you are comfortable drawing a new conclusion about Sharpe from tonights performance, that's fine. I'm not.
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How many of those games did Sharpe start and play with the starting lineup that played in Utah?
You might be drawing conclusions from a faulty dataset.
 
blazerfan11 said:
How many of those games did Sharpe start and play with the starting lineup that played in Utah?
You might be drawing conclusions from a faulty dataset.
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Agreed. Stats for young players are not reliable to begin with when predicting their future. And the stats of those coming off the bench can also be quite different than if they start. The bottom line with Shaedon is he is far from a finished product. Personally, I think Chauncey has done a good job bringing him along. I am not convinced he is a good head coach but in this circumstance, I like what he has done with the rookie. Starting him from the beginning would not have been wise.
 
KingSpeed said:
But he didn’t start with Dame during the 71 games. Plus, we’re enjoying Sharpe’s PROGRESS. In other words, better now than then.
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If you are comfortable drawing a grand conclusion based off one March game between two teams in the bottom half of the standings, that's totally fine.

I'm not.
 
KingSpeed said:
What’s your source?
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You don't give up your sources, but if I'm wrong and there lineups/rotations are the same for the rest of the season, I will buy you tickets to the season opener.

If I'm right, you just have to admit as much.
 
blazerfan11 said:
How many of those games did Sharpe start and play with the starting lineup that played in Utah?
You might be drawing conclusions from a faulty dataset.
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I'm drawing ZERO conculusions from the Utah game; that's my entire point.

I'm not saying Sharpe is a future all-star or a bust based off 72 games, let alone 1 game in March.
 
theprunetang said:
This was probably the best overall game for Sharpe so far. Love the growth I have seen in the kid. He is lucky he is quick enough to retain his own mishandled dribbles most of the time. Right now, his handle is probably the biggest roadblock to stardom. I hope he works on his handle more than anything else this off-season.
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Some of us (let me gloat) were saying this since, well...

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/5434296/
 
Tince said:
Sharpe has been a net negative over the first 72 games. So if we're going off the larger body of work, tonight would just be considered an outlier.

If you are comfortable drawing a new conclusion about Sharpe from tonights performance, that's fine. I'm not.
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it wasn't a "new" conclusion for me. Not at all. I've thought Sharpe had a lot of talent since I watched him in the first part of the season. Yes, he's raw but that's very understandable considering his circumstances. Last night was confirmation, not revelation

I will also say this: it's not surprising at all to me that Sharpe had his best game when starting alongside Dame. He's more complementary to Dame's talent than Ant; significantly. I think Dame and Wesley Matthews developed a better synergy with each other in 6 months than Dame and CJ did in 6 years. I think Dame and Sharpe can have a much better synergy than Dame & Simons

I was hopeful for the Dame/Simons pairing before the season started. I'm a lot less hopeful now.
 
riverman said:
Radio guys said Grant, Simmons and Nas are out tonight ....why would Nas be out? I didn't hear that...I think he needs to play and jump start his game...if it's another Nas injury...ouch.
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We're in evaluation mode.
 
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