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riverman said:
that wouldn't be the Ant trade I'm thinking about ....Ant could be signed and traded in a deal with another team leaving a guard spot open. Ant will definitely be gone if they swing for a KD type trade. Im just speculating but read that today we're on the phone with Houston. I find it interesting
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It's nearly impossible to get KD in a S&T for Ant without including Bledose in THAT deal. This rumor has no legs.
 
didn't morey want to include Portland in a three way where Gordon landed with Philly and Thybulle with Portland?
 
illmatic99 said:
It's nearly impossible to get KD in a S&T for Ant without including Bledose in THAT deal. This rumor has no legs.
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It might not but feel free to express why it is we're talking with Houston about it today?
 
riverman said:
It might not but feel free to express why it is we're talking with Houston about it today?
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we are probably talking to 20 other teams. It's all posturing and hardly newsworthy when you dig a bit deeper.
 
Scalma said:
didn't morey want to include Portland in a three way where Gordon landed with Philly and Thybulle with Portland?
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that's the only scenario where conversations with houston seem plausible. But i'm not sure of Philly's interest in Gordon after landing a reasonable equivalent in Melton on draft day. Talk all over today is that Philly wants PJ Tucker now, so they need to duck the tax a bit to be able to afford him. But there was an article this morning that said they don't just want to dump Thybulle.
 
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riverman said:
you can say that about every player in the league though....CJ Elleby wants a role...Ben McLemore wants a role but more than that...they want jobs.
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Players don't accept a role if theres 15+ teams that would give them a bigger role. CJ and Ben just wanted guaranteed contract. Gordon wants shots to get his next contract. He wouldn't be happy out of the rotation.
 
Scalma said:
didn't morey want to include Portland in a three way where Gordon landed with Philly and Thybulle with Portland?
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That was the rumor back at the draft.

Now that Philly has already traded Danny Green's $10 million contract I think it may have killed any chance of that deal happening.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
That was the rumor back at the draft.

Now that Philly has already traded Danny Green's $10 million contract I think it may have killed any chance of that deal happening.
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interesting note about Philly is Sergi Oliva, who is now an assistant GM in Portland, worked there a couple years ago and was part of the front office that drafted Thybulle.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Players don't accept a role if theres 15+ teams that would give them a bigger role. CJ and Ben just wanted guaranteed contract. Gordon wants shots to get his next contract. He wouldn't be happy out of the rotation.
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Roster spots are getting harder and harder to come by...if you look at the vets who couldn't land a roster spot last season...it's going to be a bigger list this season. I don't know that what Gordon wants is what he gets in the current climate with all these new young players earning minutes these days. Lamarcus frickin' Aldridge was buried on a bench along with Paul Milsap and Blake Griffin last season...times are changing
 
riverman said:
Lamarcus frickin' Aldridge was buried on a bench along with Paul Milsap and Blake Griffin last season...times are changing
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Those guys are washed, Gordon is still a good player who averaged 30 minutes a game last season and had his most efficient shooting season of his career.
 
Scalma said:
Those guys are washed, Gordon is still a good player who averaged 30 minutes a game last season and had his most efficient shooting season of his career.
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Good to hear....Houston would be a team that needs a guy like that...for some reason he's on the trade block though
 
riverman said:
Roster spots are getting harder and harder to come by...if you look at the vets who couldn't land a roster spot last season...it's going to be a bigger list this season. I don't know that what Gordon wants is what he gets in the current climate with all these new young players earning minutes these days. Lamarcus frickin' Aldridge was buried on a bench along with Paul Milsap and Blake Griffin last season...times are changing
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Again you compare two guys on veteran minimum contracts with Eric Gordon who is paid $19 million?

I'm not sure how that supports your illogical position that Eric Gordon will be a happy member of the Blazers while receiving 0 minutes.
 
riverman said:
Good to hear....Houston would be a team that needs a guy like that...for some reason he's on the trade block though
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Well Houston is rebuilding, so if they're gonna have players hurting their tank ideally it wouldn't be a 33 year old with no future there.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Again you compare two guys on veteran minimum contracts with Eric Gordon who is paid $19 million?

I'm not sure how that supports your illogical position that Eric Gordon will be a happy member of the Blazers while receiving 0 minutes.
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I'm not saying Gordon is happy or not...I just thought that today it was current news about us asking into it. I came into this story not having any idea what Gordon makes or Aldridge or Milsap, etc...why when a news piece is talked about does it mean that the person pointing it out is selling the idea? I'm not all interested in Gordon the player but Martin the young 6'8 wing attached to the rumor fills a positional need for us now...I thought it was interesting that we are trying to move Bledsoe's deal and Houston is the 13th team we've engaged about it....Houston seemed to show some interest. It also hints that if we are signing a vet guard and wing that another deal may be sending one or more of our "guards" out as well....Bledsoe's salary isn't what I think Ant will be getting at all...but if Ant is gone. we'll have a backup vet...that's what I took from it.
 
If the Blazers are looking for a backup big, here are a few that jumped out to me on the Free Agent list:

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In all seriousness though, Isaiah Hartenstein would be a great fit. I'm just curious how much he would cost.

I also wouldn't mind getting Drew Eubanks back. Solid backup big at minimum cost.
 
I'd think LAC give similar to MLE $ to Hartenstein so he will just resigns there.

I'd give him the tax MLE but I don't think he's worth the hard cap issues of full MLE.
 
Hartenstein is a dream get for us.

I actually think he’s better than Nurk.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's all gonna hinge on how ready Shaedon is.

If the guy is ready to step in and get minutes right away, and he very well might be, then we're going to have a hard time finding minutes for all these dudes.
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We never have a hard time finding minutes for everybody because they all get hurt! But seriously, the best players will get the most minutes and that’s the way it goes.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Wow Barnes is only 30; I feel like he has been a veteran for quite a while and is 35.

I'm not sure Sac would do that trade, they seem to want to do whatever they can to make the playoffs.

First we need to officially bring Ant back, maybe he will get maxed and we prefer to get something back in a sign and trade. Second we don't know Sharpe is ready for a single minute this year. Summer league might give us some info there.

Also who else are the Blazers acquiring in free agency? If we add a forward near Barnes level then a trade for him is not really needed. We do need guard backup if one of Dame/Simons/Hart misses time.

Despite all the above I think Barnes is a good idea though. I'm more just listing the concerns to consider if we try to add him. I'd tend to think he is more likely to be flipped at the deadline if say Sacramento struggles. Possibly just for Joe Ingles contract and a pick or something.
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Why would you think he was 35? He was the same draft as Dame!
 
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Here are what the numbers look like assuming Nurk gets 4/68 and Ant gets 4/80. Right under the tax for 12 players. With one minimum contract we can get to 13 players and be right at the tax line. That's some fine planning by Joe.

We can use the full MLE without hitting the apron. If we trade Bledsoe or take anyone into the Covington TPE, I think it's more likely we use the TPMLE. I don't really see how we can stay out of the tax if we want to make a few more moves to compete, but if we get turned down by everyone we'll be out of it.
 
B-Roy said:
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Here are what the numbers look like assuming Nurk gets 4/68 and Ant gets 4/80. Right under the tax for 12 players. With one minimum contract we can get to 13 players and be right at the tax line. That's some fine planning by Joe.

We can use the full MLE without hitting the apron. If we trade Bledsoe or take anyone into the Covington TPE, I think it's more likely we use the TPMLE. I don't really see how we can stay out of the tax if we want to make a few more moves to compete, but if we get turned down by everyone we'll be out of it.
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Sign Eubanks then see if you can use our exception for someone you really think can improve the team.
 
B-Roy said:
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Here are what the numbers look like assuming Nurk gets 4/68 and Ant gets 4/80. Right under the tax for 12 players. With one minimum contract we can get to 13 players and be right at the tax line. That's some fine planning by Joe.

We can use the full MLE without hitting the apron. If we trade Bledsoe or take anyone into the Covington TPE, I think it's more likely we use the TPMLE. I don't really see how we can stay out of the tax if we want to make a few more moves to compete, but if we get turned down by everyone we'll be out of it.
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We should stick to the tax MLE unless its a much better player available for the full MLE. If its a much better player then it may be worth giving up that flexibility, or having to make other moves to stay under the apron. I would be very surprised if there is a free agent the Blazers can sign worthy of that difference.

Hopefully Joe doesn't grossly overvalue a free agent and give them the full MLE as Olshey did with DJJ.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Why would you think he was 35? He was the same draft as Dame!
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I was just thinking its been many years Barnes has been in Sacramento and a possible wing trade target, then before that he was a lead scorer in Dallas a number of years, then before that he was a part of contending teams in Golden State for a number of years, and before that he was a young player in Golden State for a number of years.

Seems like he has been part of the league with as many different periods of his career as a 35 year old veteran. Then I looked at his age and was very surprised he's only just turned 30 last month.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
We should stick to the tax MLE unless its a much better player available for the full MLE. If its a much better player then it may be worth giving up that flexibility, or having to make other moves to stay under the apron. I would be very surprised if there is a free agent the Blazers can sign worthy of that difference.

Hopefully Joe doesn't grossly overvalue a free agent and give them the full MLE as Olshey did with DJJ.
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Dont forget free agency is like an auction, if you have a player you like you better know someone else will too. If you look in the dumpster maybe not, but if theres a player that absolutely fits what your need is, be willing to pay for it.
 
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