Game Thread 2024-25 GAME #5 - BLAZERS @ CLIPPERS - OCTOBER 30, 2024 - WED - 7:30 PM - KATU 2.2 - BLAZERVISION

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Rastapopoulos said:
Like...KEEGAN?

Meanwhile, back in Sacramento, the fans start to worry about their young star forward...
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I jokingly messaged a friend of mine and said "I bet Keegan and Kris swapped"
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Philly and the Bucks have no way to match salaries.

Heat and Blazers have bad blood I don't think either wants to talk.

Lakers for Grant is the only one that makes sense. Both parties should pull the trigger on a FRP. If Cronin is insisting on two as is rumored a deal will never happen IMO.
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rather than two picks make it unprotected along with another young player in return. Doubt Knecht would be available but who knows Grant would be way more valuable in line with Lebrons timeline of win now.
 
How sadly pathetic. Blazers win a game on the road, showing improvement, tenacity, and grit......and the thread is about future picks.

I guess when we were kids and someone asked what team we were a fan of, some should have just said, "I'm a fan of championships".

I'm a fan of the Blazers.....and I am a fan of winning. Winning every night they step on the floor. If I truly would rather lose now, to win later,
I would feel like I have some sort of mental disease.

Competing (definition)
* the person or people with whom one is competing, especially in a commercial or sporting arena; the opposition
* an event or contest in which people compete
* the activity or condition of competing

I failed to find the definition of:
*being a loser now, so one can win a more important contest later

To clarify, I am not upset with this board, I am sad with where fans are going with the way they follow and discuss their team.
I never thought it would reach the levels that it has. The days of appreciating a win with my fellow fans are over. Like many
things in life, things move on.

Good luck folks. I wish you all the best.
 
BassPlaya said:
How sadly pathetic. Blazers win a game on the road, showing improvement, tenacity, and grit......and the thread is about future picks.

I guess when we were kids and someone asked what team we were a fan of, some should have just said, "I'm a fan of championships".

I'm a fan of the Blazers.....and I am a fan of winning. Winning every night they step on the floor. If I truly would rather lose now, to win later,
I would feel like I have some sort of mental disease.

Competing (definition)
* the person or people with whom one is competing, especially in a commercial or sporting arena; the opposition
* an event or contest in which people compete
* the activity or condition of competing

I failed to find the definition of:
*being a loser now, so one can win a more important contest later

To clarify, I am not upset with this board, I am sad with where fans are going with the way they follow and discuss their team.
I never thought it would reach the levels that it has. The days of appreciating a win with my fellow fans are over. Like many
things in life, things move on.

Good luck folks. I wish you all the best.
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There is some truth to this. I want to be the kind of fan the current players want in MODA. I would *guess* they want fans to be nuts and want them to play asses off and go for the win every night. Even if they did that sans JG and AS, the odds they win are slim. They win 25 MAX. If the stars align. And the planets etc. But they can fight every night. Foul clean but hard. Don't be afraid to mix it up with opponents. Be tough. Forge identity. Work on fundamentals.
 
Not sure what the “official” attendance was for last night, but that arena was EMPTY!
 
Phatguysrule said:
This is my concern with Cronin. I think he's capable, but it's well beyond time to stop straddling the fence.
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I need someone to explain this to me, as y'all are throwing this around without anything substantive to qualify it. Cronin and his staff had a vision for the team, and have brought in the players they believe fit that vision.

We are 5 games into the season, and they will now begin the process of evaluating the talent and determine how the pieces fit moving forward. There is no fence straddling involved, this is the process of building a very exciting young team.

No, they have no had the success of OKC in their rebuild, but neither has 28 other teams.
 
bemac said:
I need someone to explain this to me, as y'all are throwing this around without anything substantive to qualify it. Cronin and his staff had a vision for the team, and have brought in the players they believe fit that vision.

We are 5 games into the season, and they will now begin the process of evaluating the talent and determine how the pieces fit moving forward. There is no fence straddling involved, this is the process of building a very exciting young team.

No, they have no had the success of OKC in their rebuild, but neither has 28 other teams.
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Grant and Simons jacking shots and getting enough respect from officials to win us a few games against bad teams is only going to hurt our draft position and slow the development of the guys who need minutes on the court to develop.

Those were valuable minutes the young guys should have had at the end of the game last night.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Grant and Simons jacking shots and getting enough respect from officials to win us a few games against bad teams is only going to hurt our draft position and slow the development of the guys who need minutes on the court to develop.

Those were valuable minutes the young guys should have had at the end of the game last night.
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you keep saying this but the young players seem to be improving regardless of your opinion on this.
If half way through the season they look even better than they do now? Id say your opinion is fairly clearly wrong. And i expect them to be improved by mid season from where they are now.
Proof will be on the court.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
you keep saying this but the young players seem to be improving regardless of your opinion on this.
If half way through the season they look even better than they do now? Id say your opinion is fairly clearly wrong. And i expect them to be improved by mid season from where they are now.
Proof will be on the court.
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Nobody has said their improvement would stop. They will likely look better halfway through the season than they do now, no matter what.

But will they be as good as they would have been if they had been getting those reps? No.

And we'll be winning games that will cost us draft position.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Nobody has said their improvement would stop. They will likely look better halfway through the season than they do now, no matter what.

But will they be as good as they would have been if they had been getting those reps? No.

And we'll be winning games that will cost us draft position.
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Will they be as good? You don't know they wont and that is the fact. Having vets to go against in practice can help more than no one to go against.
I don't 100% disagree with you but i think it is considerably less of an issue than you persist it is. You continue to leave out some of the benefits of having vets on the team.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Will they be as good? You don't know they wont and that is the fact. Having vets to go against in practice can help more than no one to go against.
I don't 100% disagree with you but i think it is considerably less of an issue than you persist it is. You continue to leave out some of the benefits of having vets on the team.
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There are no benefits to having these vets on the team. They don't play the right way. We don't want our guys learning to chuck those shots. We don't want our guys learning to play bad defense. We don't want our guys learning how not to rebound.

All of that, and they get some respect from the officials, so we'll win some games we shouldn't. Hurting our draft position.

It drives me crazy seeing them out their dominating the ball and jacking shots. Not boxing out.

Either Chauncey is the worst coach I've ever seen or these vets you want teaching the team are showing our young guys how to ignore the coach.
 
BassPlaya said:
How sadly pathetic. Blazers win a game on the road, showing improvement, tenacity, and grit......and the thread is about future picks.

I guess when we were kids and someone asked what team we were a fan of, some should have just said, "I'm a fan of championships".

I'm a fan of the Blazers.....and I am a fan of winning. Winning every night they step on the floor. If I truly would rather lose now, to win later,
I would feel like I have some sort of mental disease.

Competing (definition)
* the person or people with whom one is competing, especially in a commercial or sporting arena; the opposition
* an event or contest in which people compete
* the activity or condition of competing

I failed to find the definition of:
*being a loser now, so one can win a more important contest later

To clarify, I am not upset with this board, I am sad with where fans are going with the way they follow and discuss their team.
I never thought it would reach the levels that it has. The days of appreciating a win with my fellow fans are over. Like many
things in life, things move on.

Good luck folks. I wish you all the best.
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I don't entirely disagree with you, blame the NBA for setting up a structure that incentives losing.
 
bemac said:
I need someone to explain this to me, as y'all are throwing this around without anything substantive to qualify it. Cronin and his staff had a vision for the team, and have brought in the players they believe fit that vision.

We are 5 games into the season, and they will now begin the process of evaluating the talent and determine how the pieces fit moving forward. There is no fence straddling involved, this is the process of building a very exciting young team.

No, they have no had the success of OKC in their rebuild, but neither has 28 other teams.
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Pretty simple, Cronin built a roster with 3 vets that take 90 million of the cap but aren't top 80 players in this league so have no chance to lead this team anywhere close to the playoffs. We should have traded away all our vets when we traded Dame.

OKC yes did that and had two bad years of losses then started winning. But they aren't the only ones, Houston also did that well. Spurs have added talent and picks to their roster (beyond Wemby) by using cap space to add picks instead of mediocre vets on bloated contracts as Cronin has done.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Will they be as good? You don't know they wont and that is the fact. Having vets to go against in practice can help more than no one to go against.
I don't 100% disagree with you but i think it is considerably less of an issue than you persist it is. You continue to leave out some of the benefits of having vets on the team.
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Having vets is one thing. Having Jerami Grant be Granted minutes is another. It stinks.

Billups is full of poop preaching his Pistons mentality while letting Grant drift through games.

This current team should be all about effort and talent. Not one or the other.

If there's a young player putting out 1000% with positive play, leave him on the damn court.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Will they be as good? You don't know they wont and that is the fact. Having vets to go against in practice can help more than no one to go against.
I don't 100% disagree with you but i think it is considerably less of an issue than you persist it is. You continue to leave out some of the benefits of having vets on the team.
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I partially agree with you that the Blazers need vets. But it doesn't have to be vets with positive trade value, it can be a Harrison Barnes that also gets us a FRP like the spurs got. It can be ONE of the Grant/Ayton/Simons trio but doesn't need to be ALL three of them.
 
beast blazer said:
Scoot has been playing much more under control lately, and you see it in his shooting volume going down and efficiency going up. But now we have Simons dribbling into double teams and getting rejected/missing. He's only shooting 47% at the rim. What happened to drawing a double team and finding the open man?
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That's what I meant by Little Scooter playing "economically." He substituted frugal humble play for conceited play.

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/5715384/
 
Phatguysrule said:
There are no benefits to having these vets on the team. They don't play the right way. We don't want our guys learning to chuck those shots. We don't want our guys learning to play bad defense. We don't want our guys learning how not to rebound.

All of that, and they get some respect from the officials, so we'll win some games we shouldn't. Hurting our draft position.

It drives me crazy seeing them out their dominating the ball and jacking shots. Not boxing out.

Either Chauncey is the worst coach I've ever seen or these vets you want teaching the team are showing our young guys how to ignore the coach.
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again simply your opinion. if you think there is zero benefit, i cant read anything else. You are simply wrong.
Hell i saw grant walking out with walker talking to him. You have no clue what they work on, off the court aNd to imply you do makes it tough to take you serious on this. you don't know that Grant isn't showing walker how to position himself with the back to the basket, etc.

You dont know that ant isn't working with scoot on his shot. You dont know that Ayton isnt working with Klingon.

Take a break. Breathe. It will all be fine. It seems you are letting a small issue turn into the end of the world in your head.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I partially agree with you that the Blazers need vets. But it doesn't have to be vets with positive trade value, it can be a Harrison Barnes that also gets us a FRP like the spurs got. It can be ONE of the Grant/Ayton/Simons trio but doesn't need to be ALL three of them.
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Id bet that if we had Barnes on this team the forum would be screaming to trade him because he doesn't fit the timeline… among other things.
 
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