Game Thread 2025 SL GAME #2 - BLAZERS VS GRIZZLIES - JULY 12, 2025 - SATURDAY - 7:30 PM - ESPN 2

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love should not be on a regular contract. wouldn't even give him a two-way. maybe sign him to the remix.

yang looks good as a hub on offense but i really think he will be a project who shouldn't get regular minutes. maybe he'll be better on the regular roster but i see him as being a few years away.
 
After two games and this being summer league I am comfortable in saying this right now about Yang if the season was to start now. I think I would be semi comfortable in playing him 10 to 12 min per game but nothing more at this time. I think he has shown glimpses of magic in his game but also some big red flags. One of the concerns with DC was his D on the perimeter and I think he did ok with that in year one but Yang -- he looks lost when he is more then 8 to 10 feet from the rim on defense at least at this time. Once summer league ends and maybe he gets a couple / few weeks off to recharge he needs to convince Tiago to live with him at the gym until training camp starts in late Sept. cause he needs work but with enough work he could be turned into a masterpiece within 5 years or so.

I will even say this and this might be getting ahead of myself but I see a world in which he might end up being better then DC but again only with hard work cause he has most of the tools.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Are there any real point guards left? I remember the day where PG’s job was to creat shots for teammates and make the game easier.

I actually liked Booknight (Sp?) better than I like Love at least offensively. Love was a chucker last night
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Thankfully, chuckers' value is diminishing.

 
blazerfan11 said:
Thankfully, chuckers' value is diminishing.

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the guy made a lot of strong arguments but needed an editor to cut out about 70% of the times he said "archetype". yeeeeesh

but he's certainly right about the value of undersized combo guards; especially ones who are bad defenders. Too bad it took the Blazers a long fucking decade of starting an undersized, bad defense combo guard at the 2 before Portland finally saw the light

the problem isn't so much that type of player doesn't have a function. The problem is they are role players who should be paid around the MLE and should be coming off the bench
 
kjironman1 said:
Are they trying to keep him from getting injured? There is not a player out there that they should be protecting at this point.
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What does that even mean? He's a multi-million dollar investment for the franchise. Of course they're going to protect him from meaningless games and guys playing reckless for an NBA contract.
 
wizenheimer said:
the stretch provision does not alter contracts. It only alters the cap-impact of said contracts. IIRC, the only method for altering existing contracts is the buy-out provision

Milwaukee waived Dame but still has to pay him according to the contract schedule: 54M next season; 58M the season after
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Unless he’s picked up.
 
Sheldon Shape said:
What does that even mean? He's a multi-million dollar investment for the franchise. Of course they're going to protect him from meaningless games and guys playing reckless for an NBA contract.
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He’s a 16th pick and a project. Not even lottery. He is not the future of the team. He’s going to be a role player at best this year. Multi million in this day and age really ain’t much.
 
Yang like most rookies is going to have good games and bad games. I think Yang will better playing with better talent. Summer league guys are looking to make a name for themselves. To piggy back on to that statement how is guys don’t read their draft reports and then try and prove they’ve improved on the negative points of their game.

guys like Love dropped out of being a top prospect because he’s considered a chucker and takes ill advised shots. He did absolutely nothing to change that last game.
 
wizenheimer said:
the stretch provision does not alter contracts. It only alters the cap-impact of said contracts. IIRC, the only method for altering existing contracts is the buy-out provision

Milwaukee waived Dame but still has to pay him according to the contract schedule: 54M next season; 58M the season after
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Yeah, that's my understanding of it all. If a player agrees to a buyout then obviously that's a new contract but if it's just waiving a guy like the Bucks did with Dame he gets his money on time because they made the decision. As I'm sure you know the stretch provision has nothing to do with the player and only applies to cap management.
 
kjironman1 said:
Unless he’s picked up.
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Incorrect.

wizenheimer said:
that wouldn't change anything. If another team signs him, he would still get paid according to his Milwaukee contract. The Bucks would get some minor salary and cap relief
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Correct

blazerkor said:
Yeah, that's my understanding of it all. If a player agrees to a buyout then obviously that's a new contract but if it's just waiving a guy like the Bucks did with Dame he gets his money on time because they made the decision. As I'm sure you know the stretch provision has nothing to do with the player and only applies to cap management.
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Also correct
 
wizenheimer said:
that wouldn't change anything. If another team signs him, he would still get paid according to his Milwaukee contract. The Bucks would get some minor salary and cap relief
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blazerkor said:
Yeah, that's my understanding of it all. If a player agrees to a buyout then obviously that's a new contract but if it's just waiving a guy like the Bucks did with Dame he gets his money on time because they made the decision. As I'm sure you know the stretch provision has nothing to do with the player and only applies to cap management.
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I honestly did not know that. I was under the impression that if waived he could be picked up and the stretch was part of that.
Learn something every day.
 
kjironman1 said:
He’s a 16th pick and a project. Not even lottery. He is not the future of the team. He’s going to be a role player at best this year. Multi million in this day and age really ain’t much.
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Front office's know they have to be more careful with big men. lol It's quite early to say he's not the future of the team a month after the draft, but go on...
 
wizenheimer said:
the guy made a lot of strong arguments but needed an editor to cut out about 70% of the times he said "archetype". yeeeeesh

but he's certainly right about the value of undersized combo guards; especially ones who are bad defenders. Too bad it took the Blazers a long fucking decade of starting an undersized, bad defense combo guard at the 2 before Portland finally saw the light

the problem isn't so much that type of player doesn't have a function. The problem is they are role players who should be paid around the MLE and should be coming off the bench
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What’s weird to me is that the NBA used to understand that. Jamal Crawford…. Lou Williams…. Antonio Daniels….. Vinnie Johnson.

Why did we suddenly forget that those guys are better suited off the bench in a microwave role?
 
Natebishop3 said:
What’s weird to me is that the NBA used to understand that. Jamal Crawford…. Lou Williams…. Antonio Daniels….. Vinnie Johnson.

Why did we suddenly forget that those guys are better suited off the bench in a microwave role?
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I think you look at how special Dame and Steph were and people started to think players with their style that weren't as rare of talents in that role could be effective starters but history teaches us that Steph and Dame were the exception to the rule and not the rule. Steph was put in the perfect system and they put the perfect players around him. Dame and CJ starting together for 5 seasons was the dumbest fucking thing in the history of our team.

You could have easily moved CJ for a piece that made more sense before his massive contract and after that contract you could have added a second all star if you included picks. Hell if you used all of the FRPs Neil blew on role players along with CJ's salary post extension we could have added a second all nba first team level guy next to Dame. SMH. Every fucking year of that bullshit was excruciating, not because we weren't good because we were good but because we were missing the chance to be great by sticking with that asinine back court.
 
Sheldon Shape said:
Front office's know they have to be more careful with big men. lol It's quite early to say he's not the future of the team a month after the draft, but go on...
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You have a point. It’s Portland and he’s a center.
I just heard Dallas shut down Flagg.
 
blazerkor said:
I think you look at how special Dame and Steph were and people started to think players with their style that weren't as rare of talents in that role could be effective starters but history teaches us that Steph and Dame were the exception to the rule and not the rule. Steph was put in the perfect system and they put the perfect players around him. Dame and CJ starting together for 5 seasons was the dumbest fucking thing in the history of our team.

You could have easily moved CJ for a piece that made more sense before his massive contract and after that contract you could have added a second all star if you included picks. Hell if you used all of the FRPs Neil blew on role players along with CJ's salary post extension we could have added a second all nba first team level guy next to Dame. SMH. Every fucking year of that bullshit was excruciating, not because we weren't good because we were good but because we were missing the chance to be great by sticking with that asinine back court.
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So the question is whether we could have won a ring if Neil had actually traded CJ for Paul George.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So the question is whether we could have won a ring if Neil had actually traded CJ for Paul George.
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Well, based on the fact that Paul George has yet to win a championship when he was on teams with more talent than Portland, I am going to go out on a limb and say no.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So the question is whether we could have won a ring if Neil had actually traded CJ for Paul George.
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I actually think PG could have really benefited from the leadership of a guy like Dame. Dame probably could have got a more consistent result from PG than guys like Russ and Kawhi who were never really leaders. It's a real shame because if you had a consistent peak PG with Dame, you could have put role players around them and really been a threat to win it all. That being said fuck woulda, coulda, shoulda.

I'm just hoping that we see Shaedon take a big step forward this season being more efficient and consistently looking to score and giving everything he's got on D. Hoping Scoot plays so well that we trade Jrue at the deadline. Hoping to see just a little more on both ends of the court from Deni. Hoping that Tou somehow gets even better at D and just keeps being consistent on O. It would be nice to see Donovan with better footwork and finishing on offense too. If we can see all of those things and have Yang surprise us it will be a really exciting season where we probably are competing for a play-in spot.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Well, based on the fact that Paul George has yet to win a championship when he was on teams with more talent than Portland, I am going to go out on a limb and say no.
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Eh..... pairing him with Russ was never a good option. And by the time he got to LAC he and Kawhi were both so injury prone.

Although he was pretty injury prone in OKC as well. The guy just can't stay healthy.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I want to watch Yang, but our roster is so bad that it's honestly not worth it.
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And keep that in mind….when taking into consideration who he is playing against. guys that won’t even be in the league this season.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah but did you know in 2017 we drafted Zach Collins instead of guys like Bam Adebayo, Donovan Mitchell, Jarrett Allen and OG Anunoby. Then just seven picks later we drafted Caleb Swanigan (RIP) in front of guys like Kyle Kuzma, Derrick White, Josh Hart and that's just the guys we passed on in the first round. In the second round of that draft Isaiah Hartenstein was taken with the 43rd pick.

I bet you forgot all about that... actually I'm betting you might still remember that one too.
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You could do this with EVERY team in the league. Draft is an absolute crap shoot.
 
blazerkor said:
I know, I was just playing around. Every team missed on Joker. Every team has first round picks who were out of the league within a few years.
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Shit, Denver passed on him for a scrub in the first round…ha!
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't think it's that cut and dried

mainly because if a Portland GM was willing to trade CJ + picks for PG13, it would have signaled he was willing to take bigger risks and swing for the fences....not just call it a day after landing PG13
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fair. I just meant that move alone wouldn't have made us contenders.
 
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