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HCP said:
The term "successful" surgery always cracks me up........... so it's a success if what...... he doesn't die on the table?
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If they operate on the correct leg.

barfo
 
oldmangrouch said:
Oden's body of work:

2 seasons on the shelf.
1 "season" of 20 good games.
1 season of 60 inconsistent games.

If his body is that broken down at 22, why would you assume he will get healthier as he gets older? That is very counter-intuitive.
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You forgot 1 HUGE penis.
 
KingSpeed said:
Grant Hill played only 131 games over 6 seasons. The last season, including this one, he has played all but one game. And he was a significant contributor for a team that reached the WCF.
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Did he ever play as well as he did in Detroit though?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Did he ever play as well as he did in Detroit though?
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No. And Oden will probably never be Wilt Chamberlain, not that he ever was going to be. But Grant Hill is a very very effective player now. Remember the series he had against us last season? He was pretty incredible. Oden can still have an incredibly effective career too. 11/10/3, I'm thinking.
 
KingSpeed said:
No. And Oden will probably never be Wilt Chamberlain, not that he ever was going to be. But Grant Hill is a very very effective player now. Remember the series he had against us last season? He was pretty incredible. Oden can still have an incredibly effective career too. 11/10/3, I'm thinking.
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Who was guarding him during that playoff series?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Who was guarding him during that playoff series?
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Batum but it's not about who was guarding Grant Hill. It's about who Hill was guarding. Hill was put on Andre Miller in Game 2 and shut him down for the rest of the series. He also had some big rebounding games and one game where I don't think he ever missed a shot.
 
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KingSpeed said:
Oden can still have an incredibly effective career too. 11/10/3, I'm thinking.
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I'm thinking that if Oden is healthy, he'll eventually average more than 11 points. It's really the health thing that I'm worried about.
 
KingSpeed said:
Batum but it's not about who was guarding Grant Hill. It's about who Hill was guarding. Hill was put on Andre Miller in Game 2 and shut him down for the rest of the series. He also had some big rebounding games and one game where I don't think he ever missed a shot.
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Was it Batum?
 
HCP said:
The term "successful" surgery always cracks me up........... so it's a success if what...... he doesn't die on the table?
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As a surgeon myself, I guess I have a different interpretation of what a sucessful surgery is as compared to the majority of readers here. On my patients I consider a successful surgery one that achieves what I set out to do (ie: fix an ankle or foot fracture, tendon tear, bunions/hammertoes etc). I also see diabetic patients and have performed many toe/half foot amputations for severe infections (during my time working at a Veterans hospital). Now, I consider those surgeries a success since I eliminated an infection but in reality now a patient has less of a foot so how successful was it. In this instance, I think what the Blazers are saying is that it was a success since everything that needed to be surgically corrected in order for Oden to be able to play basketball was achieved. But we all know that regardless of the outcome the PR from the Blazers was always going to be that the surgery went according to plan.

On a side note, and information that none of us will ever know, I wonder how bad Oden's knee really looked once they opened up the joint. The reason I say this is that many times MRI's, although great can miss some pathology. I have seen tendon tears at the ankle level barely mentioned on an MRI report and then I open the patient up to fix it and I find the tear to be 6 cm in length. That said, this is a knee which shows up much different on MRI and is easier to see (since it is a bigger joint).
 
He may be chronologically 22 but ever since the latest news, I've been thinking that perhaps he looks 52 for a reason. Perhaps his physical age is 52 and is on a quicker aging schedule.

22 in human years. 52 in Oden years.

Still, I think I'd take the risk and sign him as well.

Gramps...
 
I don't care if the man looks like Benjamin Button. When he's on the floor, he's an elite rebounder and pretty good defender.
 
He stays. We resign him. People have been in a frenzy. He's still very young. he still has potentially 10-15 years of NBA playing ahead of him. It should be for the Blazers.

Key: Plan for him to be the 8th man.

PG? - Matthews - Batum - Aldridge - Camby with ?? , Roy and Oden off the bench.
 
RedHotAndRolling said:
He stays. We resign him. People have been in a frenzy. He's still very young. he still has potentially 10-15 years of NBA playing ahead of him. It should be for the Blazers.

Key: Plan for him to be the 8th man.
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I think planning on him being the 8th man is cool, but I think most people should be disabused of the notion that Oden's body can handle the rigors of the NBA.

By the way, no time more than now would I like to be wrong.
 
Can someone help me out...I wasn't under the impression that the problem that caused the MF surgeries ("damaged cartilage on femur") was a "wear-and-tear" injury...or that Oden had played enough to even have his body subjected to the "rigors of the NBA". Was this one also considered a "preventative" one like the first, where he might've been able to get by without it, but it was hoped the MF would extend his career?
 
andalusian said:
Yet another orthopedic surgeon:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/11/19/trail.blazers.oden.roy/index.html

(Video at bottom)
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We can no longer say that every team would have drafted Oden.

In 2008-09, I spoke with a rival team president who forecast these issues for the Blazers.

"They've got three guys out there who are risks," the executive said. "Brandon Roy has a bad knee, [Jerryd] Bayless has a bad knee and Oden has a bad knee. Oden has one leg shorter than the other -- that's why he's having all of his problems -- and that's why our doctors blackflagged him."

Blackflagging him means there was no way you would be allowed to pick him?

"No way," the executive said. "Our doctors say they'll be surprised if he makes a long career. It's too bad. It's a shame. I know they're nervous [in the Blazers' front office] -- they're nervous about his hip and that his leg is shorter and that all of his problems are coming out of those things. If he goes down in the next few years, you'll know why."

Oden has gone down, indeed. Another team president swore that if he'd had the No. 1 pick -- his team was in that 2007 lottery -- he would have bypassed Oden in order to take Kevin Durant.
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Leave aside the foot injury he sustained landing on Derek Fischer, and the knee cap injury he sustained when Corey Maggette plowed into him with his brace. Those were just physical, on the court accents, totally explainable.

But I have a serious problem with his cartlidge at random times off the court, due to actions which aren't particularly stressful. And his knee cap blowing up...come on....I've never seen that happen to any athlete before.

Greg is 22, but it's been firmly established that his body, for whatever reason, is very injury prone. How is that going to magically change? He's still young enough, that I think we should resign him, but I just really doubt him at this point. I used to be a believer.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Can someone help me out...I wasn't under the impression that the problem that caused the MF surgeries ("damaged cartilage on femur") was a "wear-and-tear" injury...or that Oden had played enough to even have his body subjected to the "rigors of the NBA". Was this one also considered a "preventative" one like the first, where he might've been able to get by without it, but it was hoped the MF would extend his career?
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Saying it was "Preventative" is a misnomer. Jay Jensen said there was a divot in his articular cartilage, "like somebody had hit his knee with a nine iron." The MF procedure is meant to fix the defect as best they can, and also extend his career and hopefully prevent that cartilage damage from getting worse over time. But it's not like he had a minor injury.
 
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