2nd year players should not be getting Ts in the playoffs

[riverman]

That's a fair opinion, but how did you react on the national stage when YOU were 20? This is the type of situation that changes players from INexperienced to experienced.

Spoken like Draymond Green!

 

[Stevenson]

Between our continual inability to secure defensive rebounds and that call on Kanter, I permanently lost a good chunk of my sanity last night.

If we lose, their incredible offensive rebounding will be the reason.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

What is the "magic word"?

Blind

 

[Propagandist]

That's a fair opinion, but how did you react on the national stage when YOU were 20? This is the type of situation that changes players from INexperienced to experienced.

I certainly wouldn't show up the ref, but yes, he is young.

 

[illmatic99]

That's a fair opinion, but how did you react on the national stage when YOU were 20? This is the type of situation that changes players from INexperienced to experienced.

I'd rather he learn some other way than with his team down 3 in crucial playoff game with 3 mins left.

 

[CupWizier]

If we lose, their incredible offensive rebounding will be the reason.

If we lose, I will be disappointed but very proud as well as this team has done an outstanding job of competing at a high level. Denver is a very good team as are we and this series has been one of the best in the playoffs for many years that I have witnessed.

 

[wizenheimer]

If we lose, their incredible offensive rebounding will be the reason.

that's one side of the coin. The other side is Portland's woeful defensive rebounding, and like I said earlier in this thread I think Zach getting only 1 rebound in 21 minutes was a much bigger factor than his 1 technical.

I mean, look at the rebound rates for Portland in that game:

Enes Kanter 18.6
Evan Turner 18.4
Maurice Harkless 15.6
Al-Farouq Aminu 12.3
Rodney Hood 9.3
CJ McCollum 7.1
Seth Curry 6.1
Damian Lillard 4.5
Zach Collins 2.6

in the playoffs, a team just can't survive that kind of deficiency in the backup C

 

[BlazerBeav]

It's not even the offensive rebounding that's killing me - it's how frequently we get stripped when we DO get the damn rebound. It's insane!

 

[CupWizier]

that's one side of the coin. The other side is Portland's woeful defensive rebounding, and like I said earlier in this thread I think Zach getting only 1 rebound in 21 minutes was a much bigger factor than his 1 technical.

I mean, look at the rebound rates for Portland in that game:

Enes Kanter 18.6
Evan Turner 18.4
Maurice Harkless 15.6
Al-Farouq Aminu 12.3
Rodney Hood 9.3
CJ McCollum 7.1
Seth Curry 6.1
Damian Lillard 4.5
Zach Collins 2.6

in the playoffs, a team just can't survive that kind of deficiency in the backup C

Well, the Blazers seem to be surviving as they are tied 2-2 with a team that was the second seed and we are missing our leading rebounder and the one we have only has one 100% usable arm. We also out rebounded Denver last night. Coincidentally the 2 games we won we lost the rebounding battle but the 2 games we lost, we won the rebounding battle. Hard to draw much conclusion from that though.

 

[hoopsjock]

I'll be honest--I was driving, so I didn't see the T. But watching it now, I get it. It's not like he was just reacting at the time of the call. The call was made, everyone lined up for the free throw, everyone was set, and then he throws his crazy long arms up in the air while turning around and stepping away from the lane. Very much a "look at me" type action. I can see why the ref would view that as the player trying to show him up.

This is exactly my problem with people who point that the fouls ended up being pretty close so we can't blame officiating, especially when they weren't even watching the game.

You have to call it both ways.

I'm fine with what Collins did being a technical. Just a couple plays before that Millsap was way more demonstrative at an official and he didn't get a technical. There were at least 6 other times where Jokic, Craig, Harris, and Millsap did more than what Collins did there and Foster ignored them. There was even a timeout where Jokic had to go half way across the court out of his way and was pointing and yelling at one of the officials and he didn't get anything for that.

This happened with fouls too. There was a play where Kanter got fouled 3 times in about 4 seconds by Jokic with no call. Denver comes down and they call a touch foul on Kanter when he didn't even make contact with Millsap. I'm fine with the foul call IF it is also called on the other end. There were several foul calls that if Jokic was held to the same standards for fouling he would foul out in less than 5 minutes every game.

It's either a technical or it's not. It's either a foul or it's not. Refs need to be called out for their blatant inconsistency.

 

[Propagandist]

Okay. I'm emotionally back to normal.

Let me change my take:

Collins wants to help, played great D and got frustrated. I think I'd rather a player care than not. It was unfortunate timing, but understandable. I appreciate his passion.

 

[hoopsjock]

Okay. I'm emotionally back to normal.

Let me change my take:

Collins wants to help, played great D and got frustrated. I think I'd rather a player care than not. It was unfortunate timing, but understandable. I appreciate his passion.

In his defense, it has become quite common for players to watch the jumbotron and then throw their arms up when they confirm it was a bad call. I can't recall seeing a player get a technical for doing so unless they go directly after the ref.

 

[calvin natt]

What is the "magic word"?

The magic word is "Cacao".

 

[calvin natt]

Don't blame Collins one bit. It is impossible to know what reaction is allowed or not when Houston, Golden State, OKC flip their shit after every call.

 

[James lamphear]

Mike Richman said that Zach said the magic word.

I didn't see it.



That was bullshit. Was a nonsense call that was compounded by the ridiculous tech.

What I seen Zach didn't foul look like a defense play. But got hold those emotions especially around foster.

 

[THE HCP]

I'd rather he learn some other way than with his team down 3 in crucial playoff game with 3 mins left.

Well you either take the T and what Z brings on the court or you let Meyers get his minutes.

 

[James lamphear]

You go ahead and focus on consistency and other players. I'll just focus on this individual, isolated incident, independent of others.

In my opinion, in this instance, Zach's actions were worthy of a T.

Your right that was worthy for a T but he wouldn't act like if the official wouldnt blown the call.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Your right that was worthy for a T but he wouldn't act like if the official wouldnt blown the call.

I never blame circumstances for choices.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If he said something he deserved it. If he didn't say anything ........then he got the T because Foster is a fucking asshole and Collins is a no name. It looked like an ego call to me . Foster wanted to show who was in control .........as always.

 

[BBert]

You go ahead and focus on consistency and other players. I'll just focus on this individual, isolated incident, independent of others.

In my opinion, in this instance, Zach's actions were worthy of a T.

Yeah, I kinda have to agree. His reaction was too exaggerated to the point of playing to the crowd. And he was right next to the ref. Of course, I also agree that different standards apply to the Blazers than to Denver, across the board.

 

[BBert]

If he said something he deserved it. If he didn't say anything ........then he got the T because Foster is a fucking asshole and Collins is a no name. It looked like an ego call to me . Foster wanted to show who was in control .........as always.

Definitely an ego call. Putting the young man in his place. He didn't have to call it. But he could.

 

[BBert]

In his defense, it has become quite common for players to watch the jumbotron and then throw their arms up when they confirm it was a bad call. I can't recall seeing a player get a technical for doing so unless they go directly after the ref.

It happens after every contested call. The only people in the entire building who don't look up at the jumbotron replay when there is a bad call, are the refs.

 

[tester551]

that's one side of the coin. The other side is Portland's woeful defensive rebounding, and like I said earlier in this thread I think Zach getting only 1 rebound in 21 minutes was a much bigger factor than his 1 technical.

I mean, look at the rebound rates for Portland in that game:

Enes Kanter 18.6
Evan Turner 18.4
Maurice Harkless 15.6
Al-Farouq Aminu 12.3
Rodney Hood 9.3
CJ McCollum 7.1
Seth Curry 6.1
Damian Lillard 4.5
Zach Collins 2.6

in the playoffs, a team just can't survive that kind of deficiency in the backup C

Agreed. Collins is not doing well rebounding the ball right now.

I think some of it is he's chasing blocks on almost every shot (so he's not in position to rebound) and he's also learning about the physicality of playoff basketball (he's not strong enough).

Regardless, we need MUCH better rebounding next game.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[James lamphear]

Agreed. Collins is not doing well rebounding the ball right now.

I think some of it is he's chasing blocks on almost every shot (so he's not in position to rebound) and he's also learning about the physicality of playoff basketball (he's not strong enough).

Regardless, we need MUCH better rebounding next game.

He did have 6 boards in game 2 and game 3 he had 8. Yes I do agree that his job is protected the rim and usually he does decent job at it but when does that he not position to rebound. I see also get to far under the rim and then he tried to bend back ward to get to attempt to rebound. But this experience for him will go along ways in the future. Plus he doing pretty good on Jokic. Majority is stat has improved from last year playoffs and he play more minutes last year then this year.

 

[stampedehero]

I liked it when our fans were chanting refs suck. It's the truth, isn't it?

 

[H.C.]

This is like saying. '7 year nba players shouldn't go 7-10 from the ft line. it basically cost Portland the game.'

 

[tykendo]

It was that and the bs foul on kanter to negate that bucket. I have never seen a basketball go through the net, hit the ground, and then hit the ground again before a call gets made.

That Kanter foul was laughable to say the least. So we can hug Jokic, and when he goes up to lay the ball in he commits an offensive foul? Yah right!

 

[beast blazer]

So 2 pts there plus the kanter 3, and that's the ball game. I love the blazers, but hate the NBA

 

[BlazerWookee]

This is exactly my problem with people who point that the fouls ended up being pretty close so we can't blame officiating, especially when they weren't even watching the game.

You have to call it both ways.

I'm fine with what Collins did being a technical. Just a couple plays before that Millsap was way more demonstrative at an official and he didn't get a technical. There were at least 6 other times where Jokic, Craig, Harris, and Millsap did more than what Collins did there and Foster ignored them. There was even a timeout where Jokic had to go half way across the court out of his way and was pointing and yelling at one of the officials and he didn't get anything for that.

This happened with fouls too. There was a play where Kanter got fouled 3 times in about 4 seconds by Jokic with no call. Denver comes down and they call a touch foul on Kanter when he didn't even make contact with Millsap. I'm fine with the foul call IF it is also called on the other end. There were several foul calls that if Jokic was held to the same standards for fouling he would foul out in less than 5 minutes every game.

It's either a technical or it's not. It's either a foul or it's not. Refs need to be called out for their blatant inconsistency.

I think the fact that Zach did it during an opponent's free throw is why his demonstration merited a T and Millsap's didn't.