5/18, 4 Assists from the "PG" Miller in 38 Minutes

[PapaG]

PappaG Andre has also lead the team in Minutes played. Prior to tonight Field goal attempts based on a per 30 minute basis

Outlaw 13.6
LMA 12.6
Andre 12.3
Oden 11.7
Roy 10.2

So yes he has been shooting more frequently than Oden or Roy, but from what I've been able to tell Roy hasn't been trying to take over games like he normally would, it's preseason.

Outlaw is shooting way too much, and he was finally benched tonight in favor of Webster and then Batum.

Miller is shooting more than both Oden and Roy and is basically tied with LMA. This concerns me, which is why I created this thread.

 

[Natebishop3]

We won. Who cares.

 

[Schilly]

I wouldn't be too concerned Roy doesn't seem to be working real hard to get his sots so far and frankly the way he's shooting that's not a bad thing. It's preseason it will all balance out once it matters.

For his career Miller has average 11.7 fga per game. Year before last was a career high of 14 fga per game, but he also played his largest number of minutes and that translated to 11.4 fga per 30.

 

[Ed O]

I was excited about Miller when I thought he was a pass-first PG. Now, I'm concerned considering he is dominating the ball on offense. I hope he changes the way he is leading this offense. Otherwise, thanks for popping in to comment to me.

You claimed in this thread that you're beginning to be concerned. It appeared, based on your meltdown last week after a game, that you were already concerned.

Are you just beginning to become concerned or not?

If you're going to go on emotional rants, that's cool. At least try to be consistent, though, please.

Ed O.

 

[BengalDuck]

Miller (by far) is the leader this preseason in shots attempted. He was leading prior to tonight as well.

It's not a "personal crusade". It's me realizing that perhaps the Blazers didn't sign the facilitator I thought they were signing. Congrats on going to the game, by the way. I'm not sure how that trumps me listening on the radio and looking at the stats, but whatever. Plus, Billups was a plus-10 on the court tonight.

The Blazers are struggling right now. They had to come back from 10 points down in the 4th quarter. A great win, and I love what I saw from Oden and Roy in the 4th, but I'm not sold on the new guy yet. 4 assists in 38 minutes? I thought he was supposed to create easy baskets for less-talented players.

wat?

 

[Boob-No-More]

4 assists in 38 minutes? I thought he was supposed to create easy baskets for less-talented players.

It's hard to rack up assists when the guys you are passing to are shooting 3-10, 3-12 and 1-7. If Blake or Outlaw could hit a wide open shot, Miller would have easily had another 3 - 4 assists.

Perhaps then you wouldn't have felt it necessary to start this thread - yeah, right. Who am I kidding.

Miller led this team to a win when Alridge didn't play, Oden was limited to 15 minutes, Roy to 21 minutes and Outlaw shot 1-7. Yet, you consider that a bad thing. Whatever.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

This is what I'm talking about. Dude claims he was ecstatic about signing Miller, but he was criticizing the guy back before training camp. Now he is suddenly "concerned"...... okay.

Standby for angry PM from PapaG in 3......2......1.

 

[shamelessblazer]

I definitely much prefer the 8 points, 2 rebounds 1 assist in 22 minutes we got from our true "PG"

I much preferred the motion in our offense, transition threats, and easy baskets our big men got when Miller was in the game.

Blake played SG tonight big guy and sat in the corner as usual taking easy shots. Miller's shots were many end of buzzer, tip in attempts, etc when no one had the balls to take a shot.

 

[Schilly]

I much preferred the motion in our offense, transition threats, and easy baskets our big men got when Miller was in the game.

Blake played SG tonight big guy and sat in the corner as usual taking easy shots. Miller's shots were many end of buzzer, tip in attempts, etc when no one had the balls to take a shot.

I was being sarcastic. about preferring Blakes stat line. Blake is realistically a poor mans Steve Kerr.

 

[TehChad]

Two things:

1. It's way too early for me to be concerned. If things are like this constantly in, say, December or January (at the earliest), then I'll be concerned.

2. I've never seen someone average 20 posts/day (yes I did the math) on ANY forum I've ever been a part of. Very impressive, well done..

 

[PapaG]

You claimed in this thread that you're beginning to be concerned. It appeared, based on your meltdown last week after a game, that you were already concerned.

Are you just beginning to become concerned or not?

If you're going to go on emotional rants, that's cool. At least try to be consistent, though, please.

Ed O.

Actually, I said that this really was beginning to concern me. This doesn't mean that I was not concerned prior to this thread. Tonight just upped the ante, I guess.

 

[PapaG]

This is what I'm talking about. Dude claims he was ecstatic about signing Miller, but he was criticizing the guy back before training camp. Now he is suddenly "concerned"...... okay.

Standby for angry PM from PapaG in 3......2......1.

I was ecstatic. I still want to be ecstatic. I'm not ecstatic right now.

 

[PapaG]

I was being sarcastic. about preferring Blakes stat line. Blake is realistically a poor mans Steve Kerr.

Yes.

Criticizing Steve Blake is OK. Stay in the safe zone, and don't dare wonder about Andre Miller.

 

[Schilly]

Yes.

Criticizing Steve Blake is OK. Stay in the safe zone, and don't dare wonder about Andre Miller.

I'm not wondering about him. I know what he is. He'll average 5-6 apg and score about 15ppg getting to the line a lot. But he needs to get used to his teammates and they need to get used to him. It's not a lot different than a new quarterback learning his receivers.

Regardless he's better than Steve and Steve is better than Sergio so we are better at the position. It's not about staying in safe Zones or anything, I haven't been posting here enough to know where those zones are. For all I know the reason you seem to dislike Andre is because Steve is your Neighbor and you feel bad for him.

 

[PapaG]

I'm not wondering about him. I know what he is. He'll average 5-6 apg and score about 15ppg getting to the line a lot. But he needs to get used to his teammates and they need to get used to him. It's not a lot different than a new quarterback learning his receivers.

Regardless he's better than Steve and Steve is better than Sergio so we are better at the position. It's not about staying in safe Zones or anything, I haven't been posting here enough to know where those zones are. For all I know the reason you seem to dislike Andre is because Steve is your Neighbor and you feel bad for him.

Incorrect. I want the Miller that I thought the Blazers were signing to start. One who would take less shots because he's finally playing with more talented players than he's ever led before.

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

It should be of concern. He has the skills or the makeup that not all guys have at that position and I'm not sure he is using every tool he has.

 

[Nikolokolus]

All I know PapaG is that I'm beginning to become concerned about your fetish with Miller, his stat line and "the way he looks"

Sure if he's the team's leading shot taker (or in the top 3) after a month of regular season play then I can see "becoming concerned," but this? C'mon man.

 

[LOTBfan]

I am becoming concerned with the number of people concerned with PapaG's concerns. Haven't you all heard, he wears a helmet inside?

 

[Natebishop3]

I am becoming concerned with the number of people concerned with PapaG's concerns. Haven't you all heard, he wears a helmet inside?

What KIND of helmet?

 

[Boob-No-More]

What KIND of helmet?

The kind with a tin foil lining.

BNM

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

Papa is becoming a troll. Where was Blake's assists? Where was BAYLESS' assists? Were you even at the game? I was and Andre ran the O very well and was a much better defender than Blake was. Stat lines don't always tell the whole story. They don't tell how Blake was chasing Billups around the court all night and how Miller was able to stay in front of him. Who was at PG when Portland got back into the game? Who led Portland in scoring also? It must have been Steve Blake!

 

[Natebishop3]

I am becoming concerned with the number of people concerned with PapaG's concerns. Haven't you all heard, he wears a helmet inside?

Acceptable?

 

[BrianFromWA]

I don't necessarily see the problem here. The OP seemed to me to be a poster's suggestion that he's concerned that our "pass-first" PG pickup of the offseason shot 18 times and had 4 assists.

Personally, i might've said something to the effect of what's already been said: namely, I'm not that concerned when I see that very few of the team's shots were falling, so his assists were down. He shot an above-average amount of FGs, but I think it's ok since Roy, LMA and Oden didn't play that much.

Overall, i'd say that the boxscore calls for concern--but when you look a bit deeper the concern should melt a tiny bit, until you see differences or not in the next game. Not necessarily "trollish" behavior.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Acceptable?

 

[blue32]

You claimed in this thread that you're beginning to be concerned. It appeared, based on your meltdown last week after a game, that you were already concerned.

Are you just beginning to become concerned or not?

If you're going to go on emotional rants, that's cool. At least try to be consistent, though, please.

Ed O.

This is Papa's personal rant forum, you know that right?

 

[LittleAlex]

This is really beginning to concern me.

The lineup he shot the most in was with Miller, Blake, Webster, Howard and Pryz on the floor. The ONLY guy in that lineup capable of creating his own shot was Miller. What else was he supposed to do?

Nate is putting Miller in positions where he has to score. And that is what Miller is trying to do.

The back court pairing of Blake and Miller is horrific. I am hoping I don't see it once during the regular season. Unfortunately, I think I probably will.

 

[Schilly]

To my Ear and box score interpretation ability Bayless has actually been more effective for us than Blake.

 

[MARIS61]

I was actually at the game. Were you? It doesn't sound like it, because if you were you'd know that Aldridge didn't play, that Roy was limited to 21 minutes and Oden to 15 minutes due to the incompetent replacement refs. With our best three scorers seeing limited to no action, and Travis Outlaw playing like complete shit, exactly who was Miller supposed to pass to? During most of his minutes he was clearly the best scoring option we had on the court.

You've turned this into a personal crusade against Miller based solely on armchair analysis of the boxscore. Try watching the games before you jump to incorrect conclusions and continue to make a fool of yourself.

Miller had ZERO turnovers tonight in almost 38 minutes. Blake had 3 TOs in 22 minutes, Roy 3 TOs in 21 minutes and Outlaw 3 TOs in 22 minutes.

BTW, in case you didn't notice, the Blazers won tonight - and they wouldn't have done so without Andre Miller. With Blake shooting 3-12, Roy 3-10 and Outlaw a stellar 1-7, I find it laughable that you single out Miller for his poor shooting. Miller may not have shot the ball well, but with Aldridge out, Roy and Blake having off nights, Travis Outlaw being completely worthless on the offensive end, and Oden in constant foul trouble, it was Miller than kept the Blazers in this game. He got the Nuggets big men in foul trouble by driving the lane and getting them to leave their feet - and converted 8-9 FTs. Game ball goes to Oden for scoring 16 points in less than 16 minutes and taking over in the 4th quarter (until he fouled out on one of the worst calls I've ever seen). Outside of Oden, Andre Miller and Juwan Howard were our best players tonight.

BNM

As usual, you fail to see the big picture due to your poor grasp of the basic fundamentals of team play.

Miller's ballhogging and poor (and usually last second) passing, along with his inability to score from outside to spread the defense are the reasons most of our reliable scorers are having the worst pre-season of their lives.

He's a square peg that's going to bring down this team just as he brought down the last 4 he played for.

 

[MARIS61]

PappaG Andre has also lead the team in Minutes played. Prior to tonight Field goal attempts based on a per 30 minute basis

Outlaw 13.6
LMA 12.6
Andre 12.3
Oden 11.7
Roy 10.2

So yes he has been shooting more frequently than Oden or Roy, but from what I've been able to tell Roy hasn't been trying to take over games like he normally would, it's preseason.

Prior to tonight? Why not use current stats?

WTF are you having to edit and pre-select stats for to support your arguement?

PG should be no higher than 5th in shot attempts per game, or it's ludicrous to refer to him as a pass-first or facilitator.

Fail.

 

[MARIS61]

Papa is becoming a troll. Where was Blake's assists? Where was BAYLESS' assists? Were you even at the game? I was and Andre ran the O very well and was a much better defender than Blake was. Stat lines don't always tell the whole story. They don't tell how Blake was chasing Billups around the court all night and how Miller was able to stay in front of him. Who was at PG when Portland got back into the game? Who led Portland in scoring also? It must have been Steve Blake!

Miller played PG for 38 minutes.

Your arguement is empty and ill-informed.