A boring but very plausible trade

[Pinwheel1]

I like Harris, but if CJ is overpaid and Harris will be paid even more (6 million more next year) he would need to be a difference-maker at PF.
His wingspan btw is the same as NP. Can Nassir Little develop into essentially the same player? Can Collins stay healthy?

 

[RR7]

I dont think anyone in the history of humankind has written more on a subject than @wizenheimer has on correcting CJ "falsehoods".

 

[e_blazer]

I dont think anyone in the history of humankind has written more on a subject than @wizenheimer has on correcting CJ "falsehoods".

He is the “CJ is good” fireman. Always on alert for another fire to snuff out.

 

[e_blazer]

the mythology about CJ's playoff prowess is just loopy:

PER: regular season 17.5....playoffs 15.8
FG%: regular season .454....playoffs .439
FT%: regular season .826....playoffs .774
TS%: regular season .552....playoffs .532
eFG%: regular season .524....playoffs .503
Assist%: regular season 17.5%....playoffs 13.2%
off. rating: regular season 111....playoffs 106
def. rating: regular season 112....playoffs 115
winshare/48: regular season .106....playoffs .056
BPM: regular season 1.2....playoffs 0.9

he is worse in the playoffs in every single category. Now, in anticipation a couple of excuses for these numbers:

* "these numbers are lower because of his first 2 seasons when he was inexperienced and not a starter"....He only played 24 of his 1758 playoff minutes as a rookie and that's not enough of a sample to move his overall numbers in any significant fashion. And in his 2nd playoff season, when he played 166 minutes, almost every one of his numbers were better than his career marks. So, if anything, his first 2 playoff seasons moved his numbers up, not down

* "playoff defense is more focused and more intense so naturally his numbers will drop"....that is generally true but somehow, CJ is getting credit for playoff prowess when his impact and efficiency have dropped --> mythology. Not only that, as we all know, in the playoffs opponents have been obsessively focused on stopping Dame which always leaves CJ single-covered by worse defenders; so the 'playoffs-have-tougher-defense' excuse for CJ doesn't ring true. In the playoffs, he has drafted off the attention paid to Dame, and still posted worse numbers. That is not upping his game like the fable says

IMO, CJ is getting way too much credit for the game 7 against Denver. Yes, he was great in that game, but somehow the credit for that game has whitewashed his entire playoff career. If CJ was so good in the playoffs, then he would have been ready and capable of carrying the burden in the series right after that game 7 when the Warriors were doubling and tripling Dame all over the floor. How did he do: His FG% was .393; his 3pt% was .355; his FT% was .647; his TS% was .481. He took 14 more shots than Dame but scored 1 less point.

if CJ was truly some great playoff performer then teams would not be able to focus on Dame, and could not have success when they did

Interesting but not too surprising given the Blazers’ relative lack of postseason success. Playing great defensive teams like the Warriors or last season’s Lakers tends to squash overall regular season stats that get inflated against poor teams. I’d be willing to bet that there are few, if any, recent Blazers players who have better postseason than regular season stats.

 

[wizenheimer]

I dont think anyone in the history of humankind has written more on a subject than @wizenheimer has on correcting CJ "falsehoods".

and I don't think anybody has noted it as much as you

but since you brought it up...was anything in that post wrong, or was there any context about CJ I missed? In other words, do you have anything to add other than talking about my "CJ history"?

 

[RR7]

but since you brought it up...was anything in that post wrong, or was there any context about CJ I missed?

Don't know. Probably not. TL;DR

 

[wizenheimer]

Don't know. Probably not. TL;DR

lol...

 

[LayneStaley]

Tobias Harris!?? No thanks.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Gggggggross

 

[Pinwheel1]

I shot down a Harris trade in this thread in May. His contract is horrible.

But if they included Thybulle in that scenario instead of Milton it might be the best we can do.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I shot down a Harris trade in this thread in May. His contract is horrible.

But if they included Thybulle in that scenario instead of Milton it might be the best we can do.

I don't think they'd do that - they don't have enough forwards, and he's really blossoming. But we should definitely demand it.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don't think they'd do that - they don't have enough forwards, and he's really blossoming. But we should definitely demand it.

I would consider Thybulle more of a guard. I know he can guard SFs but he is only 200 lbs. If people are going to question NP at the SF position when he weighs in at 215 (with the same 6'11" wingspan as Thybulle) then what about Matisse? Plus they are getting DJ in the trade so they would be trading a forward and Guard for a Forward and a Guard. The only way I would consider it.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I would consider Thybulle more of a guard. I know he can guard SFs but he is only 200 lbs. If people are going to question NP at the SF position when he weighs in at 215 (with the same 6'11" wingspan as Thybulle) then what about Matisse? Plus they are getting DJ in the trade so they would be trading a forward and Guard for a Forward and a Guard. The only way I would consider it.

Hey, I'm with you. I'd throw in Nas on our end as well if that's what it took.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Hey, I'm with you. I'd throw in Nas on our end as well if that's what it took.

Not me. I would throw in Nas for Simmons but not Harris.

 

[wizenheimer]

Dame-Powell-RoCo-Harris-Nurk

is probably an upgrade over

Dame-CJ-Powell-RoCo-Nurk

and a definite upgrade over what the starters would look like if Powell walks

but it would leave Portland still needing...something....and even less flexibility than they already have

 

[tykendo]

Dame-Powell-RoCo-Harris-Nurk

is probably an upgrade over

Dame-CJ-Powell-RoCo-Nurk

and a definite upgrade over what the starters would look like if Powell walks

but it would leave Portland still needing...something....and even less flexibility than they already have

I think the Blazers would only need to add a couple key bench players like a Josh Hart, and a Seth Curry-type shooter to make them a contender with that starting 5. So i'd do a CJ for Harris/Curry deal.

 

[tykendo]

The Pels could renounce the rights to Hart, to continue to open cap space.

 

[illmatic99]

For all the bitching we hear about CJ's contract, I don't think people have seen what Tobias Harris is due to make. And the kind of production you get for that $.

I want nothing to do with that guy.