A thread to piss off the homers

[BigGameDamian]

I think you mean Kyrie Irving.

I think you could make a strong argument for either Chris Paul, Kyrie Irving or Rajon Rondo to be the best PG in the league.

 

[Strenuus]

If healthy a Rondo/Lillard backcourt would be devastating. Rondo is, far and away, the best PG in the league when healthy.

So what kind of SG would Rondo be, then?

 

[Natebishop3]

If healthy a Rondo/Lillard backcourt would be devastating. Rondo is, far and away, the best PG in the league when healthy.

I disagree. I'm still not convinced that Rondo will be anywhere near as good now that the big three are gone. I guess we'll see whenever he comes back from his injury, but I don't think he's "far and away" better than CP3 or Irving.

 

[blue9]

So what kind of SG would Rondo be, then?

Killard would be the SG, Rondo the PG.

I disagree. I'm still not convinced that Rondo will be anywhere near as good now that the big three are gone. I guess we'll see whenever he comes back from his injury, but I don't think he's "far and away" better than CP3 or Irving.

Of course Rondo won't be as good, statistically, now that he's playing with a bunch of castoffs rather than HOFers. But I think if you could somehow equalize their teammates Rondo comes out on top. Granted, I haven't seen Irving play much so I'm willing to entertain the idea that he could be better - but my impression is that he's more adept at scoring and is flashier, but not necessarily a better basketball player. I have also felt that CP3 is overrated on defense - I'll take Rondo's D over CP3's any day. Additionally, I recall reading an article about how CP3s assist #s were inflated (this was when he was with NOH) by scorekeepers. The jist was that they were more loose on what constitutes an assist with CP3 because of his reputation - so if a player received a pass from CP3, then put the ball on the floor and then scored CP3 would often be credited with an assist. I guess when discussing and comparing the elite players it comes down to personal preference - I prefer solid, sturdy play to flash and showmanship. So Rondo is my favorite PG.

 

[Strenuus]

I disagree. I'm still not convinced that Rondo will be anywhere near as good now that the big three are gone. I guess we'll see whenever he comes back from his injury, but I don't think he's "far and away" better than CP3 or Irving.

I am in full agreeance with this statement.

 

[Strenuus]

Killard would be the SG, Rondo the PG.


Of course Rondo won't be as good, statistically, now that he's playing with a bunch of castoffs rather than HOFers. But I think if you could somehow equalize their teammates Rondo comes out on top. Granted, I haven't seen Irving play much so I'm willing to entertain the idea that he could be better - but my impression is that he's more adept at scoring and is flashier, but not necessarily a better basketball player. I have also felt that CP3 is overrated on defense - I'll take Rondo's D over CP3's any day. Additionally, I recall reading an article about how CP3s assist #s were inflated (this was when he was with NOH) by scorekeepers. The jist was that they were more loose on what constitutes an assist with CP3 because of his reputation - so if a player received a pass from CP3, then put the ball on the floor and then scored CP3 would often be credited with an assist. I guess when discussing and comparing the elite players it comes down to personal preference - I prefer solid, sturdy play to flash and showmanship. So Rondo is my favorite PG.

No thanks then. Lillard is the PG. Rondo does not need to be on this roster.

Also, Rondo is showy and flashy at times too. I just do not like him at all. Again, personal preference, like you said.

 

[blue9]

Also, Rondo is showy and flashy at times too. I just do not like him at all. Again, personal preference, like you said.

Rondo can do some flashy things, but his game isn't built on flash the way CP3's and Irving's [assumption] are. But I can understand why people don't like Rondo. The reason some people don't like him is partially why I DO like him - I think we need some of "that" on our team.

 

[Strenuus]

Rondo can do some flashy things, but his game isn't built on flash the way CP3's and Irving's [assumption] are. But I can understand why people don't like Rondo. The reason some people don't like him is partially why I DO like him - I think we need some of "that" on our team.

I can get on board with having "That" on our team. I see that... but the consequence of that is the backlash it could have in the locker room.

By the way, I've seen Kyrie live... the guy is straight money, he's actually not all that flashy. He's the real deal though. Again, I urge anyone that can to go to the Blazers/Cavs game if they can. Kyrie V. Lillard is something to watch.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Rondo is, far and away, the best PG in the league when healthy.

What the.. are you serious?

 

[BigGameDamian]

Rondo might have had 4 HOF playersaround him but Rondo is the guy that still ran the offense. Not to mention someday Rondo himself will be a HOF player.

 

[Natebishop3]

Rondo might have had 4 HOF playersaround him but Rondo is the guy that still ran the offense. Not to mention someday Rondo himself will be a HOF player.

Could Rondo be a HOFer? Yes, but that is most definitely not set in stone by any means.

 

[Yoda_of_the_MODA]

Again, Rondo's contract expires at the same time as LMA's. What makes anyone think that a 29 year-old Rondo would re-sign with a Blazers team that only has Lillard as another elite player? LMA would be a part of the deal I'm reading, right? Plus, Lillard's rookie deal would be done at the point, and I assume he's going to get a max offer from Portland. Rondo will get a max offer, too. LOL

 

[Draco]

When healthy Rondo is one of the best PG in the league. Maybe he isn't the best an argument can be made for a number of them but he doesn't take a back seat to anyone. I'd love to have him on the Blazers but the concern I have is obviously first his health, secondly his contract ending and thirdly his locker room prescence. Ray Allen doesn't seem like a difficult guy to get along with and Rondo had similarly rumored clashes with Doc Rivers so his attitude is a legit concern. But him and Lillard would be an insane combo. Lillard plays great on or off the ball. Rondo's defense is just what we are missing. Rondo can really pass the ball. Lillard is an OK passer but that isn't a strong part of his game.

I'm not sure if a LaMarcus trade for Rondo makes any sense because if we are trading away LA you would think its to tank.

Now if Rondo is the same player as before when he gets healthy I'd be very curious if there was a way to turn Batum, McCollum, Leonard, TRob type of assets into Rondo. That type of trade would be very exciting. Lillard, Rondo, Aldridge is a legit BIG 3!

 

[Strenuus]

Rondo might have had 4 HOF playersaround him but Rondo is the guy that still ran the offense. Not to mention someday Rondo himself will be a HOF player.

Okay, that's just funny.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Trade Lillard!

 

[blue9]

To be clear, I'm not in favor of trading LMA for Rondo (though I definitely was before we got Killard). I'm just saying that a Rondo/Killard backcourt would be lethal.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Was it Rondo that ran Allen out of town or KG and the Big PP

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celt...en_still_unhappy_about_treatment_by_kg_pierce

MIAMI — At this stage, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett have made like the last Japanese soldiers on Iwo Jima, refusing to give up the war.
That’s how the two former Celtics continue to regard their former teammate and current Heat guard, Ray Allen.
“They haven’t spoken to me,” Allen said before last night’s game against what remained of his former team. Allen played 24 minutes and had five points with three assists as the Celtics stunned the defending champion Heat, 111-110.
Allen admittedly is hurt, because he doesn’t understand the difference between their trade out of Boston last summer and his decision to leave two years ago. Deep down, Allen believes Pierce and Garnett determined their own fate.
“For them to be so upset with me is disappointing because of how everything happened,” Allen said. “That banner in 2008 is still going to be there, and we’re still going to be tied to it.
“Look, I have a feeling they were in the same predicament I was in this summer. Even with Doc (Rivers), he had to make a decision that was best for himself. I was in the same situation. I’m happy they were put into the same situation as I was. Anytime you get traded there’s no telling where you could end up. They’re in a situation now where they can contend. Kevin had to make that decision, and that was the predicament I was in.”
Allen laughed when asked if Rivers, whose Clippers lost to the Heat last week, has reached out. Rivers, like Garnett and Pierce, was also critical of Allen’s move.
“Doc talked to me like I was still on his team,” Allen said. “I got heavily criticized by each one of them the minute I left. They were upset. But the writing was on the wall for us. (Celtics management) was saying, ‘Hey, we’re moving in a different direction.’ And each one of us had to make that choice. Where can we go to be successful and continue to play good basketball.”
That’s why, at the time, Allen felt he was persecuted for his decision.
“I did think that,” he said. “But I was curious to see how it was received in the NBA and the people in Boston. In my opinion it was the same scenario. I wasn’t upset with any of those guys, because it was their right. You have to make the choices you feel are best for your situation. That’s why I was so disappointed in the reaction to me, because those guys know what it takes.”
When it was suggested to Allen the public perception of his decision to leave was different — Pierce and Garnett were traded and he turned down a higher contract offer ($6 million per year) to sign with Miami for half the money — he disagreed.
“There’s a difference between perception and reality,” he said. “I don’t think anybody wants to go. None of us wanted to go.”
Allen also disputed a quote, attributed to him last week by a member of the Miami media, that he wasn’t “emotionally connected” to the Celtics’ attempt to rebuild.
“I’ll always be connected — always,” he said. “I don’t know if it was something that was taken out of context, or somebody said it for themselves. Emotionally, I’m in present day, present moment. The things that went on over the last five years were a lot of great stuff, and will always be close to my heart.
“It’s what we deal with in sports,” said Allen. “Guys get traded, injuries happen. Teams try to bridge the gap from one generation of players to the next. Players have a very short-lived career. We came, had a great five years and the team decided to move on.”
“The bad thing probably for the organization was that we played for so long, being able to stay healthy, being able to contribute and play at a high level. They had to do something moving forward to their next 10 years.”
Introduction to LeBron
Brad Stevens had an interesting response when asked about his experience preparing for LeBron James for the first time. “I don’t know,” he said. “Not enjoyable?” . . .
The Celts are a shell of the team that was Miami’s staunchest conference rival, but Heat coach Erik Spoelstra doesn’t want to see it that way.
“We still see green,” he said. “None of us will forget what Jeff Green did to us, or what Avery Bradley and Brandon Bass were able to do. I know they’ve made a lot of changes, but they’ll still be green in our eyes.”

 

[BBert]

Trade Lillard!

Lillard's value is the highest it's ever been. Sell High!

Rondo's value is the lowest it's ever been. Buy Low!

Perfect! What could go wrong?

 

[Yoda_of_the_MODA]

OK, 199 posts now about a trade that does nothing to solve the problem of an All-Star leaving Portland at the end of his contract. Once it was pointed out that Rondo's contract expires the same time as LMA's, it gets ignored. It gets pointed out again, it gets ignored. Then, the thread dies.