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He seems to be moving up the draft boards lately. I think that momentum takes him out of our pick range.
 
I don’t think he gets by Brooklyn or Toronto.

Especially the Raptors - he’s the epitome of a Ujiri pick.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
I don’t think he gets by Brooklyn or Toronto.

Especially the Raptors - he’s the epitome of a Ujiri pick.
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Unfortunately I think this is true. He's the 2nd youngest player in the draft. We'll need to trade up to snag him more than likely. He's my favorite possibility.
 
While he didn't attend the combine, I dug around and found some measurements. 6'9 barefoot, 198 lbs, 9'3.25" Standing Reach, big hands



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STOMP said:
While he didn't attend the combine, I dug around and found some measurements. 6'9 barefoot, 198 lbs, 9'3.25" Standing Reach, big hands



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Not bare foot. Those are with shoes.

Take 1.5" off for a real comparison.

You can compare a couple that were measured at BWOB and the combine. Maluach and KJ are one I know was at both events
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Not bare foot. Those are with shoes.

Take 1.5" off for a real comparison.

You can compare a couple that were measured at BWOB and the combine. Maluach and KJ are one I know was at both events
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Okay, but comparing those two measurements seems to confirm I was correct in saying the measurements were barefoot. Maluach is listed in the BWOB link at 7'0.75 and had the exact same measurement at the NBA combine which is specified as barefoot. Jakuciounis is listed as 6'4.5 in the BWOB link and a 1/4" taller at the NBA combine. Below is a link to where I originally found this compilation that specifies the heights being measured as barefoot.



I do appreciate you being you being diligent with this though as I like having a true handle on the measurements. The one thats truly outstanding for Essengue is Standing Reach... which I consider the most important as you don't play hoops with the top of your head. His 9'3.25 falls about midway between Camara's 8'11 and Clingan's 9'7

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if it means anything, the RealGM poster who noted Portland targeting Avdija a couple of months before the trade happened, says Kasparas and Demin seem to be the leaders for 11th pick in the Blazer FO. That doesn't mean Portland isn't looking at other players

he also hints that Portland is working Jabari Smith-->Portland angles

and, unfortunately, that the front office still believes Ayton can be "unlocked" and be a star
 
wizenheimer said:
if it means anything, the RealGM poster who noted Portland targeting Avdija a couple of months before the trade happened, says Kasparas and Demin seem to be the leaders for 11th pick in the Blazer FO. That doesn't mean Portland isn't looking at other players

he also hints that Portland is working Jabari Smith-->Portland angles

and, unfortunately, that the front office still believes Ayton can be "unlocked" and be a star
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I think Cronin loves Ayton. He clearly worked a long time to get him.
 
wizenheimer said:
if it means anything, the RealGM poster who noted Portland targeting Avdija a couple of months before the trade happened, says Kasparas and Demin seem to be the leaders for 11th pick in the Blazer FO. That doesn't mean Portland isn't looking at other players

he also hints that Portland is working Jabari Smith-->Portland angles

and, unfortunately, that the front office still believes Ayton can be "unlocked" and be a star
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I could see Ayton leveling up with Scoot as his point guard...

I have been liking Kasparas or Egor with our pick.

I like taking a chance on Jabari but wary of the assets needed to give up for him...
 
Sheldon Shape said:
I could see Ayton leveling up with Scoot as his point guard...

I have been liking Kasparas or Egor with our pick.

I like taking a chance on Jabari but wary of the assets needed to give up for him...
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I agree about Scoot/Ayton. They connect well together. I am good with Ayton finishing his contract in Portland and then testing the open market. No sense bidding against yourself. But that is Portlands MO. Ayton so far has only earned a next deal worth about half of what he is currently making.
 
Updated measurements:

6’10” w/o shoes
7’0.75” wingspan
9’1.75” standing reach

6’11” big — LaMarcus-like measurements
 
Phatguysrule said:
I think Cronin loves Ayton. He clearly worked a long time to get him.
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I agree with your Ayton comments regarding Cronin … and if they want Ayton closer to the hoop and dunking, then get him there. He’s good at the midrange, so that’s part of his diet which is fine. We’ve seen guys taking practically no mid range and almost exclusively putting up 3’s and within about 3’ so coaching matters. If Ayton isn’t playing effectively in the next year, then let him go. Given what he makes and given Clingan increasing his minutes, the choices get obvious.

I’m more concerned about them making the right call on Ant in a timely manner (as in right away).
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
I agree with your Ayton comments regarding Cronin … and if they want Ayton closer to the hoop and dunking, then get him there. He’s good at the midrange, so that’s part of his diet which is fine. We’ve seen guys taking practically no mid range and almost exclusively putting up 3’s and within about 3’ so coaching matters. If Ayton isn’t playing effectively in the next year, then let him go. Given what he makes and given Clingan increasing his minutes, the choices get obvious.

I’m more concerned about them making the right call on Ant in a timely manner (as in right away).
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Agreed
 
Now, since this thread is about Noa Essengue — perhaps my favorite target at 11 — a recent comment by Mike Richman to Tyler Rucker (of No Ceilings) got my attention. Richman really likes Essengue’s production this early and against pro’s even though Richman said he can’t dribble or shoot … there was some hyperbole and humor from him.

The point can get lost, but Essengue is becoming increasingly productive and his physical abilities ARE impressive in spite of what he currently lacks. What he can become once he develops those beginning versions of skills and with getting his NBA body is a ‘big swing’.

I look first to a player’s movement both in space and in a phone booth. Their feet. Then to a guy’s activity and what it produces. To one’s court sense and what is done with it. Opportunism, connectedness, focus.

My favorite Blazer currently is Camara. When the clock is running, so is he. He’s not a stand around looking kind of guy. Essengue isn’t quite that, but he’s young and moves much more smoothly and easily than guys of his height. Just on movement at that age, he looks different and crosses a threshold (IMHO) for being — potentially — a serious dude.
 
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HoopsFanAZ said:
Now, since this thread is about Noa Essengue — perhaps my favorite target at 11 — a recent comment by Mike Richman to Tyler Rucker (of No Ceilings) got my attention. Rich man really likes Essengue’s production this early and against pro’s even though Richman said he can’t dribble or shoot … there was some hyperbole and humor from him.

The point can get lost, but Essengue is becoming increasingly productive and his physical abilities ARE impressive in spite of what he currently lacks. What he can become once he develops those beginning versions of skills and with getting his NBA body is a ‘big swing’.

I look first to a player’s movement both in space and in a phone booth. Their feet. Then to a guy’s activity and what it produces. To one’s court sense and what is done with it. Opportunism, connectedness, focus.

My favorite Blazer currently is Camara. When the clock is running, so is he. He’s not a stand around looking kind of guy. Essengue isn’t quite that, but he’s young and moves much more smoothly and easily than guys of his height. Just on movement at that age, he looks different and crosses a threshold (IMHO) for being — potentially — a serious dude.
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Completely agree.
Given the likelihood that he's going to be gone by 11 - Im leaning more towards preferring a trade down scenario.

I like a lot of players in this draft. Noa is the only one (outside the top 5) that Id be excited about
 

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HoopsFanAZ said:
Now, since this thread is about Noa Essengue — perhaps my favorite target at 11 — a recent comment by Mike Richman to Tyler Rucker (of No Ceilings) got my attention. Richman really likes Essengue’s production this early and against pro’s even though Richman said he can’t dribble or shoot … there was some hyperbole and humor from him.

The point can get lost, but Essengue is becoming increasingly productive and his physical abilities ARE impressive in spite of what he currently lacks. What he can become once he develops those beginning versions of skills and with getting his NBA body is a ‘big swing’.

I look first to a player’s movement both in space and in a phone booth. Their feet. Then to a guy’s activity and what it produces. To one’s court sense and what is done with it. Opportunism, connectedness, focus.

My favorite Blazer currently is Camara. When the clock is running, so is he. He’s not a stand around looking kind of guy. Essengue isn’t quite that, but he’s young and moves much more smoothly and easily than guys of his height. Just on movement at that age, he looks different and crosses a threshold (IMHO) for being — potentially — a serious dude.
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If you like Camara, Carter Bryant says he watches him and patterns his game after him.
If you like Deni, then Demin is your man as he says he patters his game after Avdija.

Interesting that two players in the Draft are trying to be like Blazers. :twothumbs:
 
When was the last time that the Blazers have forwards who draftees look to?
Fascinating.
 
Rough outing today. Extremely raw - maybe as raw as Rupert.

His jumper isn’t broken but it’s going to take years to turn him into a reliable shooter. His handle is a ways away too.

CMB >>>
 
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