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PtldPlatypus said:
There's a vast difference between your paraphrase and the scout's actual wording. "He has the tools to be good, but..." suggests the scout indicated that development would be required for Scoot to be a good player. In fact, the scout in the link you posted said, "He’s ready today to be the point guard of an NBA team...his touch near the rim is elite...He’s got a ridiculous first step and a robust layup package that’s only getting better...The basketball IQ of Henderson is impressive given his age, rarely making major mistakes despite playing at the professional level as a teenager...the one knock on Henderson is his 3-point shot...he’s an elite scorer at two levels, but needs to improve drastically from deep round out his offensive game." (There's much more, but I'll digress)

I wouldn't say that you were lying, but I would say that you were vastly misinterpreting the scouting report, possibly even intentionally only singling out the few critiques while deliberately ignoring the massive amount of praises heaped upon Henderson. Either way...I don't think an apology is called for.
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I simply don’t think he’s much more than a number of very effective PGs in the game today. Lots of them are explosive. Many can control a game. Quite a few shoot way better. He’s a work in progress. Damian Lillard is not.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
There's a vast difference between your paraphrase and the scout's actual wording. "He has the tools to be good, but..." suggests the scout indicated that development would be required for Scoot to be a good player. In fact, the scout in the link you posted said, "He’s ready today to be the point guard of an NBA team...his touch near the rim is elite...He’s got a ridiculous first step and a robust layup package that’s only getting better...The basketball IQ of Henderson is impressive given his age, rarely making major mistakes despite playing at the professional level as a teenager...the one knock on Henderson is his 3-point shot...he’s an elite scorer at two levels, but needs to improve drastically from deep round out his offensive game." (There's much more, but I'll digress)

I wouldn't say that you were lying, but I would say that you were vastly misinterpreting the scouting report, possibly even intentionally only singling out the few critiques while deliberately ignoring the massive amount of praises heaped upon Henderson. Either way...I don't think an apology is called for.
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Make no mistake. I’m rooting for the kid to be everything he can be and more.
Just don’t see all the hype yet and if it was warranted then he would have brought a player that keeps Lillard here.
That’s my take and I’m sticking with it at this point.
Let’s hope he proves me wrong 20X over.
 
kjironman1 said:
Make no mistake. I’m rooting for the kid to be everything he can be and more.
Just don’t see all the hype yet and if it was warranted then he would have brought a player that keeps Lillard here.
That’s my take and I’m sticking with it at this point.
Let’s hope he proves me wrong 20X over.
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OK. My take is that the bolded part of your take is irrationally speculative and ridiculously oversimplified.
 
kjironman1 said:
Make no mistake. I’m rooting for the kid to be everything he can be and more.
Just don’t see all the hype yet and if it was warranted then he would have brought a player that keeps Lillard here.
That’s my take and I’m sticking with it at this point.
Let’s hope he proves me wrong 20X over.
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Which player did you have in mind? The problem I saw was that teams did want Scoot in a trade, but the players that were worth trading him for also had to have additional Blazer players included.....just to match contracts. And some teams wanted Sharpe included too.

Yes, there were a couple of players I would have done it for, but not many. Any other type of player we traded Scoot for would not have been worth it....a least not by the time Scoot turns 21.
 
Hoopguru said:
Im of the opinion that we started going young last year and Joe had already made up his mind to do so when he took over. It's the best way for him to seal his job security with a rebuild versus all in and build around Dame. The other HUGE factor is I'm thinking Bert & Jody encouraged him to do so. Thus last two years of tanking with probably 2/3 more years of it to come.
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I think Portland will be trying to win this season sans Lillard, but just won't get the victories due to being a young team with some promising potential. Portland will not have to tank, the losses will be organic. But they will have some surprising wins I am sure. Getting a top pick next season will be very important to this teams talent level. Hit on three straight drafts and you are competitive soon if you fill the roster properly with vets.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
OK. My take is that the bolded part of your take is irrationally speculative and ridiculously oversimplified.
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You’re thinking too hard.
He’s either worth it or not. Obviously he isn’t YET! Notice I said yet.
The people being irrationally speculative are the people saying he’s an All Star talent.
 
kjironman1 said:
Make no mistake. I’m rooting for the kid to be everything he can be and more.
Just don’t see all the hype yet and if it was warranted then he would have brought a player that keeps Lillard here.
That’s my take and I’m sticking with it at this point.
Let’s hope he proves me wrong 20X over.
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I am 100% sure that we could have traded Scoot for OG and Dame would have been satisfied and we would have gone into next season...... but Scoot is worth more than OG. So Joe Cronin had to find a trade that made Dame happy but also wasn't a complete fleecing in terms of value. That trade did not exist.
 
BIG Q said:
I think Portland will be trying to win this season sans Lillard, but just won't get the victories due to being a young team with some promising potential. Portland will not have to tank, the losses will be organic. But they will have some surprising wins I am sure. Getting a top pick next season will be very important to this teams talent level. Hit on three straight drafts and you are competitive soon if you fill the roster properly with vets.
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Doesn't really matter if its organic and/or tanking the next 2/3 years will be strictly youth movement, imo.
 
Both Chauncey and Joe know that developing a young new team via rebuild is job security for 5 years at least. Keeps salaries in check and fans adjusted to era without Dame, a top 10 all star. Much harder to attain complimentary players to surround Dame with and contend. So three more years, then they can get risky or start the process all over again? Again, we are the junior training ground for owner, gm, coach and players.
 
Hoopguru said:
Doesn't really matter if its organic and/or tanking the next 2/3 years will be strictly youth movement, imo.
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Building a losing culture. Let’s hope it only goes for 3 more years? That would make 5 straight years out of the playoffs.
 
Scoot will be a good players for sure, but its way to early to coronate him as an all star type player. If it gives you a warm fuzzy, go right ahead!
 
Jerry Bayless averaged 20 ppg as a freshman at AZ and we took him at 11. Fans were guessing he would be the next Joe Dumars, well, we know the rest of the story.

The problem with teams that go rebuild with strictly youth and high picks, if along the way one or a few of them dont pop, then the cycle starts over again usually. Go look at the teams that developed a rep of being laggards for consecutive years.
 
Hoopguru said:
Jerry Bayless averaged 20 ppg as a freshman at AZ and we took him at 11. Fans were guessing he would be the next Joe Dumars, well, we know the rest of the story.

The problem with teams that go rebuild with strictly youth and high picks, if along the way one or a few of them dont pop, then the cycle starts over again usually. Go look at the teams that developed a rep of being laggards for consecutive years.
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When you get lucky though and draft a guy like Jokic or Draymond you can put it together quick. Always nice to have a MVP in the second round.
 
kjironman1 said:
I simply don’t think he’s much more than a number of very effective PGs in the game today. Lots of them are explosive. Many can control a game. Quite a few shoot way better. He’s a work in progress. Damian Lillard is not.
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If you are going to knock Scoot for his defense, you better Really knock Dame over his (or his lack thereof).
 
kjironman1 said:
You’re thinking too hard.
He’s either worth it or not. Obviously he isn’t YET! Notice I said yet.
The people being irrationally speculative are the people saying he’s an All Star talent.
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Isn’t your assertion that he is not YET ready also speculation? We have yet to see him play a real NBA game. He looked pretty good in his one partial SL game but we all know that can be deceiving.

At this point I think there are more glass-half-full than glass-half-empty out there but the reality is that at this point all we can do is extrapolate and hope.
 
kjironman1 said:
Building a losing culture. Let’s hope it only goes for 3 more years? That would make 5 straight years out of the playoffs.
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How’s this for a 5 year plan built on drafting well and sucking enough to get good picks:

2007- draft Durant
2098- draft Westbrook
2009- draft Harden
2010- 50 wins
2011- WCF
2012- NBA Finals

That’s our blueprint to success. One more tank for a top prospect. Then roll. If OKC sleeps Harden, they win at least one title.
 
KingSpeed said:
How’s this for a 5 year plan built on drafting well and sucking enough to get good picks:

2007- draft Durant
2098- draft Westbrook
2009- draft Harden
2010- 50 wins
2011- WCF
2012- NBA Finals

That’s our blueprint to success. One more tank for a top prospect. Then roll. If OKC sleeps Harden, they win at least one title.
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Cronin is no Presti.
 
KingSpeed said:
How’s this for a 5 year plan built on drafting well and sucking enough to get good picks:

2007- draft Durant
2098- draft Westbrook
2009- draft Harden
2010- 50 wins
2011- WCF
2012- NBA Finals

That’s our blueprint to success. One more tank for a top prospect. Then roll. If OKC sleeps Harden, they win at least one title.
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Gotta agree with ya there. They did it with a new owner and moving from Seattle to Oklahoma even.
If Harden stays there they win a championship imo also.
 
KingSpeed said:
How’s this for a 5 year plan built on drafting well and sucking enough to get good picks:

2007- draft Durant
2098- draft Westbrook
2009- draft Harden
2010- 50 wins
2011- WCF
2012- NBA Finals

That’s our blueprint to success. One more tank for a top prospect. Then roll. If OKC sleeps Harden, they win at least one title.
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Don't forget they also got lucky drafting Ibaka at 24 in 2008. Or should I say they continued to draft well?
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
Isn’t your assertion that he is not YET ready also speculation? We have yet to see him play a real NBA game. He looked pretty good in his one partial SL game but we all know that can be deceiving.

At this point I think there are more glass-half-full than glass-half-empty out there but the reality is that at this point all we can do is extrapolate and hope.
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My only point on this is I feel they should have done more to get Dame help.
I’m not sure scoot could get that help in trade. That makes me feel the teams and scouts involved seem to know Scoot is a work in progress at best.
I also feel if you had a chance to get a player that gave them at least a chance to compete you pull the trigger on that trade.
If they trade for another solid veteran to put with Dame, Grant, Nurk, Simons, Sharpe then I feel other players might take notice.
Yes pure speculation but probably reasonable.
 
kjironman1 said:
My only point on this is I feel they should have done more to get Dame help.
I’m not sure scoot could get that help in trade. That makes me feel the teams and scouts involved seem to know Scoot is a work in progress at best.
I also feel if you had a chance to get a player that gave them at least a chance to compete you pull the trigger on that trade.
If they trade for another solid veteran to put with Dame, Grant, Nurk, Simons, Sharpe then I feel other players might take notice.
Yes pure speculation but probably reasonable.
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I speculate that no veteran they could have got for Scoot and XXX (Say, Ant or Nurk or both) was going to provide more help than Scoot + XXX within a year. The issue is that Dame knows he is getting old and he wants a chance yesterday but Cronin is smart enough to know that these kinds of moves did not work in the NeO regime and there is no reason to suspect they would now.
 
AmirIcon said:
I don't think it was luck. Sam Presti is the best at what he does.
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He might be, but still, in the last 7 years since they made the conference finals...they seem a lot like us.
Lottery the last 3 years and lost in the first round the 4 years before that.
 
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