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It's a bummer to see people feel the need to temper their excitement for Scoot to not seem anti-dame or for ending the Lillard era.

I love Dame, but I am so ready for the Scoot era.

The shooting could keep him from becoming an absolute offensive supernova, but I think he has the personality and skills to elevate his teammates even more than Dame was able to. Even if we compare him to Dame at 21/22 he already thinks the game at a much higher level. Pushes in transition but will also hit ahead if he sees an early 2 on 1 his teammates can attack. In the half court he can play in pick and roll, but is willing to get off it when he sees even the slightest advantage somewhere else. Despite the shooting, he still looks natural playing off the ball setting up cuts and catching on the run.

Looks truly committed to being a good defender which has a trickle down affect through the roster and has tools to be great if he can up his discipline on the ball and play with more consistent focus and motor. His off the ball instincts and strength already pop and as good as he is at using his massive hands offensively, he does it almost equally as well defensively.

Shiny new toy and the drag of the last 3 years I'm sure played a part, but those 20 or so minutes vs Houston were as joyful an experience watching a player as I've had in a while.

Think he's truly a rare and special talent.
 
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JDC said:
Those 20 or so minutes vs Houston were as joyful an experience watching a player as I've had in a long while. Shiny new toy and the drag of the last 3 years I'm sure played a part in that, but I think Scoot truly is a rare and special talent that has a chance to bring joy and excitement this fanbase hasn't seen in a long time.
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I have been super impressed as well. I have not seen him playing before - and I expected the normal rookie PG things, getting bogged down, making mistakes when pressured, getting into tough places and turning over the ball when he is too fast. None of those happened. He was in complete control, he got into tough places and found team-mates with beautiful passes that are hard for many NBA level PGs to make. The kid can be special and already has some tools that are rare.

I expect it to be a bit more rocky once he plays in the real NBA - but being where he is already as a 19 y/o rookie is super impressive.
 
Should be cued up to 18:35. Mike Schmitz talks a little about Scoot, and we see Scoot interacting with his summer league teammates (on their way to the arena I assume).

Scoot shares his snack with Rayan Rupert, telling him that it's not spicy.
Someone else in the van asks "What flavor is it?" Scoot answers "Voodoo Heat."

 
Pinwheel1 said:
He might be, but still, in the last 7 years since they made the conference finals...they seem a lot like us.
Lottery the last 3 years and lost in the first round the 4 years before that.
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It's not his fault ownership wanted to be cheap and not pay Harden. I don't consider lack of team success the last few years as they've been rebuilding and were mostly trying to lose.
 
kjironman1 said:
My only point on this is I feel they should have done more to get Dame help.
I’m not sure scoot could get that help in trade. That makes me feel the teams and scouts involved seem to know Scoot is a work in progress at best.
I also feel if you had a chance to get a player that gave them at least a chance to compete you pull the trigger on that trade.
If they trade for another solid veteran to put with Dame, Grant, Nurk, Simons, Sharpe then I feel other players might take notice.
Yes pure speculation but probably reasonable.
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Nobody is saying we shouldn't have tried to build around Dame. The issue is, Olshey failed in that regard and we have the pseudo receipts in the form of several supposedly nixed trades involving CJ "oopsies did I step out of bounds in a key moment?" McCollum when we could have had Butler or PG13. We also could have tried the Kawhi rental model. By the time Cronin was at the helm the cupboard was bare. I've been quite impressed with his efforts to restock said bare cupboard. If Cronin turned down a trade for a Star I haven't heard of it. Turning down getting fleeced by Toronto for OG supposedly asking for Sharpe and #3? Yeah, that seems likely and if so then Joe was absolutely correct to turn that down.
 
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JDC said:
It's a bummer to see people feel the need to temper their excitement for Scoot to not seem anti-dame or for ending the Lillard era.

I love Dame, but I am so ready for the Scoot era.

The shooting could keep him from becoming an absolute offensive supernova, but I think he has the personality and skills to elevate his teammates even more than Dame as able to. Even if we compare him to Dame at 21/22 he already thinks the game at a much higher level. Pushes in transition but will also hit it ahead if he sees an early 2 on 1 his teammates can attack. In the half court he can play in pick and roll but is also willing to get off it when he sees even the slightest advantage somewhere else. Despite the shooting, he still looks natural playing off the ball setting up cuts and catching on the run.

Looks truly committed to being a good defender which has has trickle down affect through the roster and he has tools to be great if he can up his disciplined on the ball and play with consistent focus and motor. His off the ball instincts and strength already pop and as good as he is at using his massive hands offensively, he does it almost equally as well defensively.

Shiny new toy and the drag of the last 3 years I'm sure played a part, but those 20 or so minutes vs Houston were as joyful an experience watching a player as I've had in a while.

Think he's truly a rare and special talent.
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blazerfan11 said:
Should be cued up to 18:35. Mike Schmitz talks a little about Scoot, and we see Scoot interacting with his summer league teammates (on their way to the arena I assume).

Scoot shares his snack with Rayan Rupert, telling him that it's not spicy.
Someone else in the van asks "What flavor is it?" Scoot answers "Voodoo Heat."

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Surprised to see how many women are in high positions in the organization. That's great to see!
 
kjironman1 said:
My only point on this is I feel they should have done more to get Dame help.
I’m not sure scoot could get that help in trade. That makes me feel the teams and scouts involved seem to know Scoot is a work in progress at best.
I also feel if you had a chance to get a player that gave them at least a chance to compete you pull the trigger on that trade.
If they trade for another solid veteran to put with Dame, Grant, Nurk, Simons, Sharpe then I feel other players might take notice.
Yes pure speculation but probably reasonable.
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My take is kind of the opposite. Other teams like the Raptors thought the Blazers were stuck, that Portland had to move that pick, especially if it was Scoot, because of things Dame and his representation were putting out there. They sensed blood in the water, so they tried to get the third pick and another good asset or four for any wing that was above average but not quite all-star or at least all-NBA caliber. They thought Cronin would be forced to comply because Lillard owned the city and organization.

That's why a trade didn't happen.
 
kjironman1 said:
I simply don’t think he’s much more than a number of very effective PGs in the game today. Lots of them are explosive. Many can control a game. Quite a few shoot way better. He’s a work in progress. Damian Lillard is not.
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19 years old vs 33.
 
kjironman1 said:
Make no mistake. I’m rooting for the kid to be everything he can be and more.
Just don’t see all the hype yet and if it was warranted then he would have brought a player that keeps Lillard here.
That’s my take and I’m sticking with it at this point.
Let’s hope he proves me wrong 20X over.
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Maybe your post is all true. Thank gosh the Blazers didn't go forward with your horrible idea.
 
kjironman1 said:
My only point on this is I feel they should have done more to get Dame help.
I’m not sure scoot could get that help in trade. That makes me feel the teams and scouts involved seem to know Scoot is a work in progress at best.
I also feel if you had a chance to get a player that gave them at least a chance to compete you pull the trigger on that trade.
If they trade for another solid veteran to put with Dame, Grant, Nurk, Simons, Sharpe then I feel other players might take notice.
Yes pure speculation but probably reasonable.
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The time to get Dame help was 7 years ago when he was entering his prime. Not when he's 33 with a flawed roster that's lacking contender level starters.

It's way too late to win with Dame. That shipped sailed a few years ago. Ideally it would've been best if the Dame trade was done when we fired Neil. At least we're going down the right path now though.
 
PCmor7 said:
My take is kind of the opposite. Other teams like the Raptors thought the Blazers were stuck, that Portland had to move that pick, especially if it was Scoot, because of things Dame and his representation were putting out there. They sensed blood in the water, so they tried to get the third pick and another good asset or four for any wing that was above average but not quite all-star or at least all-NBA caliber. They thought Cronin would be forced to comply because Lillard owned the city and organization.

That's why a trade didn't happen.
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Yeah, I was pushing for a Toronto trade. It made the most sense at the time. Scoot would have been an excellent addition to their team. I think Ujiri will regret not being more willing to offer a better package for him once they knew which way Charlotte was going.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, I was pushing for a Toronto trade. It made the most sense at the time. Scoot would have been an excellent addition to their team. I think Ujiri will regret not being more willing to offer a better package for him once they knew which way Charlotte was going.
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From the talk, it wasn't just Scoot, but Scoot AND Sharpe. Obviously, as someone who hails from the Toronto area, the Raps would love to have had Shaedon. However, that package was a non-starter for us.
 
KingSpeed said:
How’s this for a 5 year plan built on drafting well and sucking enough to get good picks:

2007- draft Durant
2098- draft Westbrook
2009- draft Harden
2010- 50 wins
2011- WCF
2012- NBA Finals

That’s our blueprint to success. One more tank for a top prospect. Then roll. If OKC sleeps Harden, they win at least one title.
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This is the absolute best case scenario. More likely are the rebuilds in Orlando after Dwight left, or Houston after Harden, or SAC after Cousins, or Minny after Love.
 
Rebuilding completely through the draft has rarely proven to be an effective strategy. When we dismantled the Jail Blazers we tried it, got luckier than we could imagine (Roy, LA and GO) and it still fell apart.

You need a blend of young, prime and old, with roughly a third of each. That's the strategy that has proven to be the most effective.
 
maxiep said:
From the talk, it wasn't just Scoot, but Scoot AND Sharpe. Obviously, as someone who hails from the Toronto area, the Raps would love to have had Shaedon. However, that package was a non-starter for us.
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Yeah, that was an insane requirement. Two high lottery picks for either OG or Siakam were way too much for players who would be free agents after one year.
 
KingSpeed said:
How’s this for a 5 year plan built on drafting well and sucking enough to get good picks:

2007- draft Durant
2098- draft Westbrook
2009- draft Harden
2010- 50 wins
2011- WCF
2012- NBA Finals

That’s our blueprint to success. One more tank for a top prospect. Then roll. If OKC sleeps Harden, they win at least one title.
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This raises an interesting question. Obviously, they drafted very well, but Durant fell into their laps as the 100% obvious choice, so I can't give them credit there. But back to the question, has there ever been three consecutive drafts with future league MVPs? That has to be pretty rare, if not totally unique. No matter how well you draft, that's a near-impossible formula to follow if that level of talent isn't even in the draft.

The next question becomes, how much of it was talent development? (Portland was rumored to be pretty hot for Westbrook, so OKC wasn't the only one who saw him as being undervalued. But, did anyone really expect him to become as good as he did, personality flaws aside?) Presti tends to get all of the credit, but it seems like the coaching staff deserves at least half.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Carmelo Anthony is gonna be in the HOF, should we have kept him?
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Signing Melo was a better move than most thought it would be. You can't argue that. Well... Maybe you can?
If you are talking about today? Really? I hear Kareem is still available?
 
kjironman1 said:
Signing Melo was a better move than most thought it would be. You can't argue that. Well... Maybe you can?
If you are talking about today? Really? I hear Kareem is still available?
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The point is just having a HOF player on your roster doesn't mean shit if they get older and fall off a cliff. Better to move off said player for as many assets to help with our new timeline than let him fall off a cliff, while paying him top salary, and ending up with no assets while staying just good enough to miss the playoffs or make the play-in.
 
kjironman1 said:
Neither is Carmelo Anthony whom you were talking about but that's fine.
You have missed on two responses now.
Try someone else.
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Carmelo was signed for peanuts and in a different situation.

You know your way to the meltdown thread since you created it.
 
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