All Things Whiteside

[HailBlazers]

Where would you like to see Hassan Whiteside end up?

Results are in.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Where would you like to see Hassan Whiteside end up?

Results are in.

Send him this link. Lot of non-blazer fans looking at it logically. Hopefully he agrees

 

[Nate]

I know how you feel. I've never in my life heard any criticism of me that had any substance.

Oh, are you one of the ones in the "he's not actually a good defender" boat? Because I've been hearing that shit for a while, and it never had any substance.

Anything else?

 

[TBpup]

Send him this link. Lot of non-blazer fans looking at it logically. Hopefully he agrees

Already done.

 

[Nate]

I know how you feel. I've never in my life heard any criticism of me that had any substance.

or maybe you think he's going to get a max contract, and then completely give up on basketball?

 

[TBpup]

or maybe you think he's going to get a max contract, and then completely give up on basketball?

Hassan and Larry hangin' at the beach sippin' on margaritas? I think not.

 

[Natebishop3]

If he's thinking purely from a business standpoint.... I could see him signing with LA.

If he's thinking from a winning standpoint, he'd sign here.

 

[Nate]

This must be a troll. Or you've not watched much of whiteside or DJ. The only thing they have in common is the ability to block shots, and set big screens....

Block shots, set screens, rebound, defend, catch ridiculous lobs, deter players from even wanting to come in the paint.... Yeah, I don't see any similarities....

 

[santeesioux]

If he's thinking purely from a business standpoint.... I could see him signing with LA.

If he's thinking from a winning standpoint, he'd sign here.

Yeah, I've seen Miami fans act like they're a much better situation than any of the teams named in going after him, but they're a geriatric team in the East that has to re-sign some of those old guys and try to bring in some other young guys to stay at that level. We're already made with Dame and CJ, so we have to be higher on the list for winning teams. The thing going against us is we're in the West and not the shitty East.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Oh, are you one of the ones in the "he's not actually a good defender" boat? Because I've been hearing that shit for a while, and it never had any substance.

Anything else?

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/12/21/10633150/hassan-whiteside-defense-stats-highlights-miami-heat
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/miami-heat-is-better-without-hassan-whiteside-on-the-court-8215115
http://www.hothothoops.com/2016/5/6...ility-miami-heat-toronto-raptors-nba-playoffs

The links have various analyses that talk about Whiteside's poor man defense in the post, poor pick-and-roll defense, poor team defensive positioning, and the Heat posting better team defense numbers with Whiteside off the floor rather than on. One link is from December, one from February, and one from May.

You may not agree with their conclusions, but there's validity to the data and the arguments. That said, I'd still be happy with Olshey signing him if he wanted to come here.

 

[Natebishop3]

Whiteside reminds me of Darius Miles.

Unlimited talent and athleticism, but a poor motor and not a true fan of the game. Got into basketball because of the money. I could see him having a massive dropoff after he signs his big contract.

 

[Trackjack]

Whiteside reminds me of Darius Miles.

Unlimited talent and athleticism, but a poor motor and not a true fan of the game. Got into basketball because of the money. I could see him having a massive dropoff after he signs his big contract.

That the scary part on this kid is he going bring it when he gets the money or not. He don't need go big market because exposer to me will be to much. Because we know if doesn't live up to his contract in NY or LA the writers will tear him apart.

 

[Nate]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/12/21/10633150/hassan-whiteside-defense-stats-highlights-miami-heat
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/miami-heat-is-better-without-hassan-whiteside-on-the-court-8215115
http://www.hothothoops.com/2016/5/6...ility-miami-heat-toronto-raptors-nba-playoffs

The links have various analyses that talk about Whiteside's poor man defense in the post, poor pick-and-roll defense, poor team defensive positioning, and the Heat posting better team defense numbers with Whiteside off the floor rather than on. One link is from December, one from February, and one from May.

You may not agree with their conclusions, but there's validity to the data and the arguments. That said, I'd still be happy with Olshey signing him if he wanted to come here.

They playoffs one is legitimate in my mind. But I think the other 2 articles are more about the people he's on the floor with.

These are the heats lineups last year.
http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612748/lineups/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular Season

These are the advanced stats.
http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612748/lineups/advanced/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular Season

 

[VanillaGorilla]

or maybe you think he's going to get a max contract, and then completely give up on basketball?

.. Do you not understand that jlprk's post you are responding to was just a joke? He's not usually very serious. You're acting like he was vehemently disagreeing with you.

 

[Nate]

The heats best defensive lineup, and the lineup with the largest sample size. Has whiteside in it. They allowed 90 points, and they scored 103

Meant to say "best lineup"
They had one better defensive one, but they scored way less, and the sample size is small.

 

[Nate]

.. Do you not understand that jlprk's post you are responding to was just a joke? He's not usually very serious. You're acting like he was vehemently disagreeing with you.

I get that he was making a joke. But those are the two arguments I've heard, and they don't seem to hold water.

 

[Nate]

The heats top 3 lineups last year (with 15 or more games played) had whiteside in them. And they Had netrtg's of 12.3 12.8 and 14

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The heats best defensive lineup, and the lineup with the largest sample size. Has whiteside in it. They allowed 90 points, and they scored 103

Meant to say "best lineup"
They had one better defensive one, but they scored way less, and the sample size is small.

do you have a link to that? 82games.com suggests otherwise. Whiteside, was present in most of their best lineups, no doubt:


However, his impact was felt primarily on the offensive end, not the defensive, as evidenced by his on/off court numbers, which show that they actually allowed fewer points with him sitting than playing.

 

[Nate]

do you have a link to that? 82games.com suggests otherwise. Whiteside, was present in most of their best lineups, no doubt:
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However, his impact was felt primarily on the offensive end, not the defensive, as evidenced by his on/off court numbers, which show that they actually allowed fewer points with him sitting than playing.

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http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612748/lineups/advanced/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular Season

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The heats top 3 lineups last year (with 15 or more games played) had whiteside in them. And they Had netrtg's of 12.3 12.8 and 14

Looking at NBA.com, looks like the Heat's 2nd best lineup last year (total +/-) didn't have Whiteside, but had Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudamire along with Dragic, Deng, and Wade.

Regardless, his presence in their best lineups doesn't negate his overall impact on their team, as shown in the 82games stats I showed above.

 

[Nate]

One mistake I made was the "biggest sample size" I was looking at the most games played, instead of minutes played. The bosh lineup is the highest minutes played, but that was the beginning of the season, and bosh looked like crap.

 

[Nate]

Looking at NBA.com, looks like the Heat's 2nd most used lineup last year didn't have Whiteside, but had Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudamire along with Dragic, Deng, and Wade.

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I was looking at the advanced one.

Referring to, rather.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

Whiteside reminds me of Darius Miles.

Unlimited talent and athleticism, but a poor motor and not a true fan of the game. Got into basketball because of the money. I could see him having a massive dropoff after he signs his big contract.

I think peer pressure might be enough to keep HW focused on basketball. If he is as immature as some people say, it's possible that what Damian, CJ, and Ed Davis think of him might be more important to him than what Wade and Bosh think.

Darius Miles walked into a completely different locker room.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I was looking at the advanced one.

Referring to, rather.

Yep, noticed that. But looking at only their best rated lineups doesn't really paint a clear picture. Look at the negative net rating lineups in their most used groups. He's in most of those too, including the negative one with the largest sample size (which doesn't include Bosh). Better to look at the overall picture, which is why I went to 82games.

 

[Nate]

Yep, noticed that. But looking at only their best rated lineups doesn't really paint a clear picture. Look at the negative net rating lineups in their most used groups. He's in most of those too, including the negative one with the largest sample size (which doesn't include Bosh). Better to look at the overall picture, which is why I went to 82games.

I've never looked at that site before, thanks!

 

[TBpup]

According to 1080 The Fan, they think Whiteside has the Lakers, then Portland, then Miami as his rankings according to his sources.
I'm doing a piece on this later but that is very similar to something I was told as well.

 

[Natebishop3]

According to 1080 The Fan, they think Whiteside has the Lakers, then Portland, then Miami as his rankings according to his sources.
I'm doing a piece on this later but that is very similar to something I was told as well.

Well, if that's the case, then I don't see why he would pick us.

 

[TBpup]

Well, if that's the case, then I don't see why he would pick us.

I'll get into that more in depth.

 

[Boise Blazer]

Well, if that's the case, then I don't see why he would pick us.

Or better yet, it might show that he is someone that might not be the right player to fit what we need. To me the Lakers and Blazers are 2 totally different teams and situations so if we are both serious contenders then he may not know what he really wants in a team.

 

[craigehlo]

He's talked a lot about the right fit. The Lakers aren't a fit for any player in their prime right now. The fact that the Blazers are a playoff team where he can immediately get a max deal and be featured on offense should make the situation more appealing. If he picks the Lakers, he can enjoy losing 60 games and not being on national TV very often.