Allen Crabbe signs offer sheet with Nets

[DreamKillah]

Man.... I knew it.

Fuck you Brooklyn.

Piss on crabbie, glad we didn't lose Hark . . .

 

[Natebishop3]

I understand your rationale, but I think it is clouded with your desire for Cousins. How many others stars are available because I am not sure Boogie is.........right now.

Maybe it's Cousisn, maybe it's someone else. I'm not sure who might be available at this point. Blake Griffin? Gordon Hayward? I'd still like to make a gun at Jabari Parker.

 

[0-Our!]

Maybe it's Cousisn, maybe it's someone else. I'm not sure who might be available at this point. Blake Griffin? Gordon Hayward? I'd still like to make a gun at Jabari Parker.

Pretty sure Bucks have made it clear that Parker is untouchable (@ least for now...).

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Woj said before free agency even began that Portland wanted to lock down crabbe before moe or Meyers and that we would match any offer. I still think we match. I wouldn't be mad at it. Just make sure to keep moe too. We would have a lot of trade assets for a future deal. A lot of good young pieces

Crabbe just wouldnt be one of them with that trade kicker theyve given him.

Dude wants to start. Dont think he will be happy chilling on the bench behind an all nba caliber player in cj. Crabbe is like 24, when youre that age having your stage to shine and prove everyone youre good is of the utmost importance.

 

[Natebishop3]

There is more to a game than scoring. It's the other stuff (rebounds, assist, steals, defense) where Oladipo is MUCH better than Crabbe.

His rebounding wasn't MUCH better than Crabbe. That's an exaggeration. And of course his assists are lower because Dame and CJ and Plumlee are handling the ball 99% of the time.

Crabbe is a MUCH better shooter than Oladipo. His offensive rating is significantly higher, while his defensive rating is really only marginally better.

http://bkref.com/tiny/qfSE6

 

[illmatic99]

Here are Neil's second round picks that he decided to sign since coming over to POR:

2012: Will Barton (40)
2013: Allen Crabbe (31)
2015: Patty C (41)
2016: Layman (47)

Maybe as @B-Roy said, we can keep a revolving door of wing players drafted in the second round. Patty could blow up to be a 10 ppg scorer next year, and Layman the next year, etc etc

 

[B-Roy]

Here are Neil's second round picks that he decided to sign since coming over to POR:

2012: Will Barton (40)
2013: Allen Crabbe (31)
2015: Patty C (41)
2016: Layman (47)

Maybe as @B-Roy said, we can keep a revolving door of wing players drafted in the second round. Patty could blow up to be a 10 ppg scorer next year, and Layman the next year, etc etc

Lol at 10 ppg = blowing up.

But seriously, I think Crabbe is worth his contract in the right situation. That situation isn't here though.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Here are Neil's second round picks that he decided to sign since coming over to POR:

2012: Will Barton (40)
2013: Allen Crabbe (31)
2015: Patty C (41)
2016: Layman (47)

Maybe as @B-Roy said, we can keep a revolving door of wing players drafted in the second round. Patty could blow up to be a 10 ppg scorer next year, and Layman the next year, etc etc

Very optimistic....you can only hit on so many 2nd rnd picks, no matter how good you think you are at evaluating talent

 

[illmatic99]

Lol at 10 ppg = blowing up.

But seriously, I think Crabbe is worth his contract in the right situation. That situation isn't here though.

You know what I mean. Going from nothing to consistent PT and production is blowing up in a sense. All we need from that backup wing spot is 10 ppg and OK defense, with some sort of efficiency.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Very optimistic....you can only hit on so many 2nd rnd picks, no matter how good you think you are at evaluating talent

Can we please hit on one just once to the tune of a draymond green or isaiah thomas?

 

[e_blazer]

Can we please hit on one just once to the tune of a draymond green or isaiah thomas?

Jerome Kersey?

 

[theprunetang]

Maybe Crabbe as a starter is that guy who totally blows up. Who knows. I think with starter minutes he could be about equal with Bradley Beal. Maybe.

 

[B-Roy]

You know what I mean. Going from nothing to consistent PT and production is blowing up in a sense. All we need from that backup wing spot is 10 ppg and OK defense, with some sort of efficiency.

Yeah I am agreeing with you. That's what I mean, Crabbe in the right situation could be a prime Wes Matthews and he would be easily worth that contract. With CJ here though he's just a severely overpaid 3 and D player. Maybe it's because of my irrational love of Crabbe, but I'm warming up to the idea of trading CJ as Natebishop has been advocating, but that requires the right deal to be available. Plus I don't believe Neil has the guts or will to split up the Dame/CJ combo. Still, I think there is a slim chance we match Crabbe and there is a surprise trade midseason to ship CJ out. Very slim though.

 

[TBpup]

If we let him walk away for nothing, we will regret it.

Once again, here are Crabbe's numbers as a starter when Dame was out:
15.9 ppg, 43.6% from the field, 39% from three, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.5 assists in 32 minutes per game

16 ppg would put him at 10th in the league last season among shooting guards, tied with Oladipo. People were lauding OKC getting Oladipo in the trade for Ibaka.

Oladipo's stats last year:

16 ppg, 43.8% FG, 34.8% 3P, 4.8 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 1.6 steals

Both players are 24.

Yes...when Dame was out, so when Dame/CJ are playing, he is a bench player. Also, Olidipo is one of the ELITE guard defenders in our league. (Hubie Brown voice) Crabbe is now where near to that level. I like Crabbe but just not at near max money for a guy that will be a bench player here.

 

[B-Roy]

Another note, I would rather have Crabbe at this contract than Turner at his. But what's done is done.

Felt for the longest time we were only going to retain one of Crabbe and Harkless. Fairly confident the FO valued Crabbe more, but the Nets endes making the decision for Neil. Too bad.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Another note, I would rather have Crabbe at this contract than Turner at his. But what's done is done.

Felt for the longest time we were only going to retain one of Crabbe and Harkless. Fairly confident the FO valued Crabbe more, but the Nets endes making the decision for Neil. Too bad.

Turner is literally better than Crabbe at everything but 3pt shooting

 

[Pinwheel1]

Another note, I would rather have Crabbe at this contract than Turner at his. But what's done is done.

Felt for the longest time we were only going to retain one of Crabbe and Harkless. Fairly confident the FO valued Crabbe more, but the Nets endes making the decision for Neil. Too bad.

I disagree. I think a 3rd ball handler was needed more than a 3rd 3 pt shooter. A 3 and D guy is slightly easier to find than a wing with handles.

 

[Blazinaway]

Maybe Crabbe as a starter is that guy who totally blows up. Who knows. I think with starter minutes he could be about equal with Bradley Beal. Maybe.

I believe the Blazers have made their choice for high paid guards in Lillard and CJ (BIG payday next summer), you simply can't pay Crabbe 18 mil per with those guys getting paid big unless you are a true championship contender and a guy like Crabbe is a crucial part - which he is NOT, so an easy choice to say adios

 

[B-Roy]

Turner is literally better than Crabbe at everything but 3pt shooting

3 point shooting is the most important skill for wing role players. Plus Crabbe is younger.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but Im confident time will prove Crabbe the better player.

 

[Mediocre Man]

3 point shooting is the most important skill for wing role players. Plus Crabbe is younger.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but Im confident time will prove Crabbe the better player.

Iguodala was the finals MVP and he's not a good 3pt shooter.

 

[Pinwheel1]

3 point shooting is the most important skill for wing role players. Plus Crabbe is younger.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but Im confident time will prove Crabbe the better player.

Maybe, but they are still easier to find. And eventually I think we need both. I would love to morph Turner and Crabbe into one player......but we can't.

 

[Blazinaway]

Here's a great summary of the Blazers cap situation if we match Crabbe - that to "Wiz" at another board

"I just wanted to take a little more detailed look at what Portland's cap situation could be next season

Damian Lillard $26,153,057
Evan Turner $17,131,148
Al-Farouq Aminu $7,319,035
Ed Davis $6,352,531
C.J. McCollum $25,000,000 (guess)
Anderson Varejao (stretched) $1,984,005
Jake Layman $905,249
Festus Ezeli $7,400,000
2017 1st round pick $1,500,000
Allen Crabbe $19,000,000
Mo Harkless $13,000,000 (guess)

126.5 million with a projected luxury tax threshold somewhere below 122 million. And that's only for 9 actual players. Notice that there are only 2 bigs there, with a 3rd being Aminu as a stretch-4. (Plumlee, Meyers, Vonleh, & Connaughton are not there) Even filling out the rest of the roster with veteran minimum types would still add 6-10 million more in salary and twice that (or more) in tax

and that team there is not anything close to a contender. Depending on who else they add, it might barely be a playoff team and could be lottery

even if you delete Crabbe's contract, the Blazers are still going to be tight against the luxury tax. Maybe tighter if Harkless gets a bigger offer. Just because the cap jumped dramatically doesn't mean mathematical correlations have changed. At the base of the problem here is that Portland will very likely be paying Dame-CJ-Turner 70 million a year. Forget about that being close to 70% of the cap, the more important ratio is that it will be 57-60% of the room between 0 and the tax threshold. Those guys will be Portland's 'big-3' and I just don't think the rest of the league will be scared of that big-3

I don't know if Olshey will match Crabbe's offer or not. I can't come up with any logical reason why he should but we know logic might not control this decision

I know it's Paul Allen's money. If he's ok paying gagillions in luxury tax, then oh well.

I think another potential problem, and it could be huge, is if there's a lockout or a strike next July 1. If/when that's resolved it's very likely the luxury tax will be even more punitive then it is now. So teams carrying a high payroll may be in even deeper doodoo. There will probably be some kind of amnesty provision but that's not certain

personally, I think people know where I stand on this: don't match Crabbe's deal and let Meyers walk. I'd even set a limit on how much to match a Harkless offer and it would probably be in the 14-15 million range."

 

[B-Roy]

Iguodala was the finals MVP and he's not a good 3pt shooter.

Like I said, not expecting everyone to agree with me.

But to your point, he's a better shooter than Turner. Also one of the best wing defenders in the league. Defense being the second most important trait.

And yes I know Crabbe is an overrated defender NOW, but I'm extremely confident he will turn himself into a plus defender.

 

[Scalma]

Anyone who thinks this is an easy decision is wrong.

There are positive and negative arguments to be made on both sides. I'm glad I'm not making the decision.

 

[Natebishop3]

Matching at least gives us options.

Not matching means the game is over.

 

[riverman]

I think Olshey might have tipped the scales during the Turner introduction by saying that last season we didn't have anyone other than CJ, Dame and Mason who could handle or pass the ball well.....must have pissed Crabbe off bigtime

 

[B-Roy]

Maybe, but they are still easier to find. And eventually I think we need both. I would love to morph Turner and Crabbe into one player......but we can't.

All I'm saying is in a vacuum Crabbe is more valuable. If you plan on not trading Crabbe they are basically being paid the same, so I'd rather have Crabbe.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think Olshey might have tipped the scales during the Turner introduction by saying that last season we didn't have anyone other than CJ, Dame and Mason who could handle or pass the ball well.....must have pissed Crabbe off bigtime

Well it was true. And I thought it was a very telling moment during the press conference on the value the staff placed on filling that need. I know I was frustrated with it during the playoffs.

 

[riverman]

I like Crabbe but between Turner and Crabbe...Turner all day long..he can finish in the paint and create his own midrange shot...will be the best alley oop passer on the team which we haven't really had since Dre

 

[riverman]

Just like Batum did with Rolo and Aldridge....Turner will make our bigs better. Turner is actually a replacement for Batum in many ways