Allen Crabbe signs offer sheet with Nets

[Scalma]

Watch we will match and the Nets will offer Harkless 4years $75mik

or even better, Leonard

 

[Natebishop3]

Watch we will match and the Nets will offer Harkless 4years $75mik

I could totally see this happening.... and then when we match Harkless, they do it with Leonard and we laugh at say goodbye.

 

[craigehlo]

Watch we will match and the Nets will offer Harkless 4years $75mik

 

[Scalma]

The good thing is there are a lot of dumbshit GMs that would trade for Crabbe despite the contract.

 

[Chris Craig]

Watch we will match and the Nets will offer Harkless 4years $75mik

That wouldn't be very nice now would it?

 

[riverman]

Comparing a starter like Parsons with a 6 man like Crabbe usually doesn't give an accurate picture...Parsons was the number 2 option on that Dallas squad behind Dirk

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The overriding concern may actually be Neil's reputation. If he is known around the league as someone who'll match RFAs, then his players are less likely to receive offers. OTOH, it does make us more vulnerable to a ridiculous offer for Harkless.

My guess is that Neil is spending a lot of time on the phone looking to trade Crabbe.

 

[Natebishop3]

The overriding concern may actually be Neil's reputation. If he is known around the league as someone who'll match RFAs, then his players are less likely to receive offers. OTOH, it does make us more vulnerable to a ridiculous offer for Harkless.

My guess is that Neil is spending a lot of time on the phone looking to trade Crabbe.

Well..... so did Crabbe actually sign the sheet? The timer doesn't start until the offer is signed. Once it's signed, that's all she wrote.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Well..... so did Crabbe actually sign the sheet? The timer doesn't start until the offer is signed. Once it's signed, that's all she wrote.

What?
Assuming Crabbe signed, we have 3 days to figure out whether to match. If Neil has offers from Sac or somewhere during those 3 days, then we definitely match. There are plenty of teams that are not considered FA destinations that could be interested in Crabbe.

 

[Natebishop3]

What?
Assuming Crabbe signed, we have 3 days to figure out whether to match. If Neil has offers from Sac or somewhere during those 3 days, then we definitely match. There are plenty of teams that are not considered FA destinations that could be interested in Crabbe.

Can we immediately flip him once we match? Obviously it would include the trade kicker, and we can't trade him to Brooklyn.

 

[Scalma]

What?
Assuming Crabbe signed, we have 3 days to figure out whether to match. If Neil has offers from Sac or somewhere during those 3 days, then we definitely match. There are plenty of teams that are not considered FA destinations that could be interested in Crabbe.

But we can't trade him until December, no?

 

[Sinobas]

The overriding concern may actually be Neil's reputation. If he is known around the league as someone who'll match RFAs, then his players are less likely to receive offers. OTOH, it does make us more vulnerable to a ridiculous offer for Harkless.

My guess is that Neil is spending a lot of time on the phone looking to trade Crabbe.

M
I don't think you should worry about his reputation. You sign a guy or not based on his value to your team. Matching a dumb contract to try and make other people see you as a "Matcher" would be dumb.

 

[Natebishop3]

But we can't trade him until December, no?

Well, he might have a point. If you can sign-and-trade someone, maybe we can match-and-trade him somewhere.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

But we can't trade him until December, no?

not sure, but we can start to determine the market, now.

 

[Pinwheel1]

You can't trade any July free agent until December, Plus I think Crabbe's has an extra kicker preventing it for the whole year....Unless he ok's it

 

[Natebishop3]

You can't trade any July free agent until December, Plus I think Crabbe's has an extra kicker preventing it for the whole year....Unless he ok's it

But you can sign-and-trade a player, so why can't you match-and-trade said player? Unless, as you said, his kicker prevents it.

 

[Schilly]

Because the trade isn't part of the offer sheet.

 

[Pinwheel1]

But you can sign-and-trade a player, so why can't you match-and-trade said player? Unless, as you said, his kicker prevents it.

My understanding is once he signed the Net's offer sheet, we can't match it, with the sole purpose of trading him just to get value. That screws over the player. So we have to wait until x amount of days. (Not sure exactly how many)

 

[STOMP]

What is so hard to understand about this? In order for me to win the bet Crabbe would have to accomplish the goal of making the All-Star Team, meaning he would have put in the work and time to get better and improve his game, putting in the effort to actually make the team. What does Crabbe have to do to not make the team? Absolutely nothing. He could literally decide to sit on his ass and if that happens KOR would win the bet.

That is why I get 2:1 odds on the bet.

whats crystal clear is you were talking shit... whatever dude

STOMP

 

[Schilly]

IIRC from reading Larry Coons site it's January 15th on a matched offer sheet.

 

[Natebishop3]

My understanding is once he signed the Net's offer sheet, we can't match it, with the sole purpose of trading him just to get value. That screws over the player. So we have to wait until x amount of days. (Not sure exactly how many)

Schilly is probably right. The trade has to be written into the deal. I forgot about that. You can't do a sign-and-trade offer and then renege on the trade and keep the player. I saw that stipulation on one of the CBA websites.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

whats crystal clear is you were talking shit... whatever dude

STOMP

Once he is ready to go even odds on that proposed bet he did then I am all ears and on-board.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

IIRC from reading Larry Coons site it's January 15th on a matched offer sheet.

I thought that too, but I went back and looked; it's December 15th on a matched offer sheet, January 15th if you re-sign your own FA using bird/early-bird rights.

 

[lawai'a]

i think we still control his destination and as has happened in the past if crabbe and the nets don't want us to match but we consider it too much a traded player exemption is the minimum we would require and a pick may be required for us to forgo our right to match. they would agree to tear up original,we sign him for their agreed upon contract. The trade clause is likely more of a poison pill to get the blazers give up on any nets picks.
An $18million TPE could make any interesting asset in future unbalanced trades as the blazers could go over the cap in potenial trades i believe.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

i think we still control his destination and as has happened in the past if crabbe and the nets don't want us to match but we consider it too much a traded player exemption is the minimum we would require and a pick may be required for us to forgo our right to match. they would agree to tear up original,we sign him for their agreed upon contract. The trade clause is likely more of a poison pill to get the blazers give up on any nets picks.
An $18million TPE could make any interesting asset in future unbalanced trades as the blazers could go over the cap in potenial trades i believe.

The CBA doesn't allow a team to take any compensation in return for not matching.
Once the offer sheet is signed, we no longer have the option to sign/trade Crabbe to NJ, or anywhere else.
Once the offer sheet is signed, the Nets don't have the option to "tear up the original".
The no-trade is not something the Nets included in the deal--it's part of the result of us matching the deal (if we did).

 

[lawai'a]

The CBA doesn't allow a team to take any compensation in return for not matching.
Once the offer sheet is signed, we no longer have the option to sign/trade Crabbe to NJ, or anywhere else.
Once the offer sheet is signed, the Nets don't have the option to "tear up the original".
The no-trade is not something the Nets included in the deal--it's part of the result of us matching the deal (if we did).

has it been signed?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

has it been signed?

According to the reports, we have until Sunday to match, which would indicate that it was signed on Thursday. The "clock" wouldn't have started if it hadn't been signed and submitted to the league office.

 

[lawai'a]

thanks saw conflicting tweets on actual offer status

 

[MARIS61]

Crabbe is a good 6th-man type player, worth about 7 mil a year.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Crabbe is a good 6th-man type player, worth about 7 mil a year.

That's the old NBA.