Allen Crabbe signs offer sheet with Nets

[illmatic99]

If you want possible replacements:

-Dorrell Wright
-Matt Barnes
-JR Smith
-Randy Foye
-Alan Anderson
-Kirk Hinrich
-Wayne Ellington
-Gerald Green

.... You have to match

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Turner-- 4/ 70
Deng -- 4/72
Bazemore-- 4/70
Batum -- 5/125
Barnes -- 4/94
Fournier -- 5/85
Parsons -- 4/94

The new reality

Yes, but none of those teams that signed them are going to have that player 6th or 7th man. It isn't what Crabbe got as much as what it does to our luxury tax. Paul Allen isn't paying 60 MIL out of pocket in tax. And people will say then trade him. That trade kicker makes the contract 20 MIL plus a year instead of 18 plus. I don't think teams are going to line up to take him on when he won't get enough minutes on our team to put up big numbers. Plus many of these teams are also going to be near luxury tax area and be looking to cut salary not add.

 

[B-Roy]

If you want possible replacements:

-Dorrell Wright
-Matt Barnes
-JR Smith
-Randy Foye
-Alan Anderson
-Kirk Hinrich
-Wayne Ellington
-Gerald Green

.... You have to match

Or Luis Montero/Patty C

Half of us wanted to waive Crabbe before last season...

 

[illmatic99]

Yes, but none of those teams that signed them are going to have that player 6th or 7th man.

This is true

Or Luis Montero/Patty C

Half of us wanted to waive Crabbe before last season...

I really want to see what Patty can do. If he can be a viable replacement, then let AC go and push for flexibility.

 

[BBert]

If you want possible replacements:

-Dorrell Wright
-Matt Barnes
-JR Smith
-Randy Foye
-Alan Anderson
-Kirk Hinrich
-Wayne Ellington
-Gerald Green

.... You have to match

Yuck

 

[Pinwheel1]

True, but that makes it even more frustrating to think about the fact that we traded 6 second round picks in the summer of 2013 (2 for Crabbe, 2 for RoLo, and 2 for T-Rob), and if we don't match Crabbe's offer sheet, we will have absolutely nothing to show for them.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest. Right now we are discussing who to cut because we have too many players. It is hard to get star players, but it is easy to get good role players. Look how easy it was to get Harkless. Those type of players are not difficult to find for smart GM's. The reason being is there are only 450 roster spots in the NBA and we have the whole world supplying the talent.

We didn't really lose those 2nd round picks for nothing. We found other players to fill our 15 man roster. Montero and Alexander were just as good as most of the 2nd rounders we would have taken. When lottery picks like Trey Burks are being given away for nothing, you know that decent role players can always be found. Star players are another issue.

 

[illmatic99]

It's just interesting how nowadays, wings have become so much more overpaid than big men.

 

[Natebishop3]

If we let him walk away for nothing, we will regret it.

Once again, here are Crabbe's numbers as a starter when Dame was out:
15.9 ppg, 43.6% from the field, 39% from three, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.5 assists in 32 minutes per game

16 ppg would put him at 10th in the league last season among shooting guards, tied with Oladipo. People were lauding OKC getting Oladipo in the trade for Ibaka.

Oladipo's stats last year:

16 ppg, 43.8% FG, 34.8% 3P, 4.8 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 1.6 steals

Both players are 24.

 

[HailBlazers]

If we let him walk away for nothing, we will regret it.

Once again, here are Crabbe's numbers as a starter when Dame was out:
15.9 ppg, 43.6% from the field, 39% from three, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.5 assists in 32 minutes per game

16 ppg would put him at 10th in the league last season among shooting guards, tied with Oladipo. People were lauding OKC getting Oladipo in the trade for Ibaka.

Oladipo's stats last year:

16 ppg, 43.8% FG, 34.8% 3P, 4.8 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 1.6 steals

Both players are 24.

So you are okay with making Crabbe a starter then?

 

[Natebishop3]

So you are okay with making Crabbe a starter then?

Absolutely. I have been saying I'd trade CJ and start Crabbe for basically a year now. I see CJ as having the most value, and Crabbe could easily fill that starting role. Maybe he's not a star, but he'll be cheaper than CJ, and CJ could maybe net us Boogie or another star caliber player at a position of need.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

That still leaves Davis and Leonard with nor real minutes or Davis plays some PF and Vonleh doesn't get minutes. Either way, even with Crabbe not here, a consolidation may be in order soon.

As far as our team is currently constructed, I agree it makes little sense to spend that kind of money on Crabbe. HOWEVER, if, as you say, we need a consolidation trade, then Crabbe might make it easier to get somebody good. So perhaps that's the best reason to re-sign him, as a precursor to a trade.

(Although, of course, the trade kicker really spoils that, which was presumably the point of Brooklyn doing it.)

 

[Natebishop3]

As far as our team is currently constructed, I agree it makes little sense to spend that kind of money on Crabbe. HOWEVER, if, as you say, we need a consolidation trade, then Crabbe might make it easier to get somebody good. So perhaps that's the best reason to re-sign him, as a precursor to a trade.

(Although, of course, the trade kicker really spoils that, which was presumably the point of Brooklyn doing it.)

Yup.... the Nets pulled a Blazer move and threw a toxic offer at us.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Absolutely. I have been saying I'd trade CJ and start Crabbe for basically a year now. I see CJ as having the most value, and Crabbe could easily fill that starting role. Maybe he's not a star, but he'll be cheaper than CJ, and CJ could maybe net us Boogie or another star caliber player at a position of need.

Wouldn't be the worst result in the world. Of course, we no longer have the cap-space to absorb a Boogie deal, so we'd have to match salaries. CJ/Davis/Aminu? Kinda steep.

 

[Natebishop3]

Wouldn't be the worst result in the world. Of course, we no longer have the cap-space to absorb a Boogie deal, so we'd have to match salaries. CJ/Davis/Aminu? Kinda steep.

Could still renounce Meyers, right? Clear the space, make the trade, and then match Crabbe?

 

[Pinwheel1]

So you are okay with making Crabbe a starter then?

He doesn't have to start. But he could. Keeping him does give us flexibility. Against some teams you could start Crabbe and Turner and bring CJ off the bench. We were fine last year with different starting lineups. Maybe you do it again to keep all the players engaged a little more.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Absolutely. I have been saying I'd trade CJ and start Crabbe for basically a year now. I see CJ as having the most value, and Crabbe could easily fill that starting role. Maybe he's not a star, but he'll be cheaper than CJ, and CJ could maybe net us Boogie or another star caliber player at a position of need.

With the addition of Turner we could move CJ+Davis or a freshly S&T'd Nards for Boogie, I'd HATE to lose out on CJ, but we'd get the one thing we are missing, complete domination in the post. The real question is what do you prefer?

Dame / Napier
CJ / Crabbe
Turner / Harkless
Aminu / Davis / Vonleh
Plumlee / Ezeli / Leonard

Or

Dame / Napier
Crabbe / Pat
Turner / Harkless
Aminu / Vonleh
Boogie / Plumlee / Ezeli

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Could still renounce Meyers, right? Clear the space, make the trade, and then match Crabbe?

Even if we renounce Leonard, we'd have to send out 9.3M to take back 17M. So, CJ/Davis?
In another thread, there was a suggestion of trading for Smart. Maybe something like this?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I know Vonleh is going to get basically zero minutes for us this year but man I still leary of dealing him. Call me crazy or call it Jermaine O'Neal syndrome or whatever but I still want to see where he is at as a player next summer before thinking of moving him. That trade looks sweet on paper but no true starting PF then available to play for us.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Even if we renounce Leonard, we'd have to send out 9.3M to take back 17M. So, CJ/Davis?
In another thread, there was a suggestion of trading for Smart. Maybe something like this?

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You know the other teams have to agree as well, right?

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

You guys keep thinking we might trade CJ. I think there is NO WAY we trade CJ in the next 3-4 years.

 

[Natebishop3]

You guys keep thinking we might trade CJ. I think there is NO WAY we trade CJ in the next 3-4 years.

Maybe we won't, I'm just saying that I think Crabbe could be a very capable starter, and trading CJ would net us the kind of star that we can't seem to acquire through free agency.

 

[noknobs]

If we let him walk away for nothing, we will regret it.

Once again, here are Crabbe's numbers as a starter when Dame was out:
15.9 ppg, 43.6% from the field, 39% from three, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.5 assists in 32 minutes per game

16 ppg would put him at 10th in the league last season among shooting guards, tied with Oladipo. People were lauding OKC getting Oladipo in the trade for Ibaka.

Oladipo's stats last year:

16 ppg, 43.8% FG, 34.8% 3P, 4.8 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 1.6 steals

Both players are 24.

The key is "when Dame was out". He started 8 games last year. If neither starting guard is out we've got an 18-20m guy coming off the bench. I see no way the Blazers can match both Crabbe and Harkless so it comes down to your preference. When Moe started he played only 26 minutes but did score 11.9 ppg, 6.6 rpg and 1.2 apg, 1 blocks per game and 1.2 steals per game, shooting 50% from the field. I think Moe has a higher ceiling but isn't a SG.

In other news I'm very against trading CJ.

 

[0-Our!]

Even if we renounce Leonard, we'd have to send out 9.3M to take back 17M. So, CJ/Davis?
In another thread, there was a suggestion of trading for Smart. Maybe something like this?

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A slight adjustment & I'd pull the trigger on this all day long! Give Bos a guy (aka Meyers) that stretches the floor/fits very well next to Horford (this IS what they're looking for).

 

[Natebishop3]

The key is "when Dame was out". He started 8 games last year. If neither starting guard is out we've got an 18-20m guy coming off the bench. I see no way the Blazers can match both Crabbe and Harkless so it comes down to your preference. When Moe started he played only 26 minutes but did score 11.9 ppg, 6.6 rpg and 1.2 apg, 1 blocks per game and 1.2 steals per game, shooting 50% from the field. I think Moe has a higher ceiling but isn't a SG.

In other news I'm very against trading CJ.

That's fine. I understand why people would be against trading him. I'm just saying that you could have two options if you match (well, three if you just match and keep him).

1) Match and then trade him in December as part of a package for another star player.

2) Match and then trade CJ as part of a package for another star player.

3) Match and then keep him on the bench.

Regardless, this gives you three possible options, which in my mind is better than just letting him walk for nothing.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Maybe we won't, I'm just saying that I think Crabbe could be a very capable starter, and trading CJ would net us the kind of star that we can't seem to acquire through free agency.

I understand your rationale, but I think it is clouded with your desire for Cousins. How many others stars are available because I am not sure Boogie is.........right now.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I understand your rationale, but I think it is clouded with your desire for Cousins. How many others stars are available because I am not sure Boogie is.........right now.

Brook Lopez?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Thanks for merging poll

Not a problem!

 

[Pinwheel1]

Brook Lopez?

For CJ? I think Brook helps us, but I personally don't consider him a star. I would not want include CJ in that trade.

 

[Cippy91]

Woj said before free agency even began that Portland wanted to lock down crabbe before moe or Meyers and that we would match any offer. I still think we match. I wouldn't be mad at it. Just make sure to keep moe too. We would have a lot of trade assets for a future deal. A lot of good young pieces

 

[tester551]

If we let him walk away for nothing, we will regret it.

Once again, here are Crabbe's numbers as a starter when Dame was out:
15.9 ppg, 43.6% from the field, 39% from three, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.5 assists in 32 minutes per game

16 ppg would put him at 10th in the league last season among shooting guards, tied with Oladipo. People were lauding OKC getting Oladipo in the trade for Ibaka.

Oladipo's stats last year:

16 ppg, 43.8% FG, 34.8% 3P, 4.8 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 1.6 steals

Both players are 24.

There is more to a game than scoring. It's the other stuff (rebounds, assist, steals, defense) where Oladipo is MUCH better than Crabbe.