Anfernee Simons trade destinations

[beast blazer]

Porter was good; maybe the 2nd best Blazer PG (Rod Strickland and Lionel Hollins were good too) but he wasn't at Dame's level

it's hilarious you're working so hard at pissing on Dame so you can prop up Ant

Dame and Ant bring the same overall skillset to the table. How do you quantify Dame being so much better? By what metric?

Porter was much better and creating for his teammates, better at defense, and maybe could have scored as many points if he took as many shots, but he was a much better team player.

Lillard 4-8 in all-time in his playoff series. And yeah, he could score a lot of points, but his career TS% in the playoffs is only 56.6%, and because he's not good in any other area, that doesn't translate to winning. It just looks good onthe box score.

 

[beast blazer]

ZERO CREDIBILITY. That's what you've got. Dame is easily the best point guard this team has ever had. Dame's assists per game are only .3 behind Porter. Porter was a more efficient three point shooter but we know the difference in the types of threes and their impact on games. He wasn't as good from the free throw line nor did he get to the line anywhere close to as much as Dame. Terry wasn't close to the three level scorer. Holy shit this fucking exercise is stupid. The Ant exercise is fucking stupid.

These players aren't close to as good as Dame. You're not only calling into question your ability to assess Dame, Ant and Terry but this is such an absolutely asinine take it calls into question how well you understand the game generally. All of this bullshit about Ant compared to Dame is fucking pathetic from a sports argument standpoint. Seemingly absurd but sadly I think you're serious.

You can't make any argument to back that up aside from stomping your feet. Porter was averaging 9-10 assists per 36 in his prime. Porter was better in 2 out of 3 main phases, and Lillard only scored more in proportion to how many more shots he took. Something that bit the Blazers in the playoffs several times. Teams would double/Trap Dame and he had no answer. He just stubbornly kept trying to score on his own.

 

[beast blazer]

Damian was the Carmelo Anthony of PGs.

 

[BIG Q]

One word : horrible!

this is what I’m talking about. From a GM standpoint some of you in here are clueless about getting equal value back in an Ant trade.

I don’t think posters here are clueless. Many are very realistic. When just stating the obvious, Ant is a short, ball stopping tweener that can’t defend but has above average offense. Currently, there does not seem to be a bidding war for his services and in his defense we do not know what Portland is asking for. We also do not know if Ant is receptive to being the sixth man until a good deal for him materializes. But in my opinion, a deal that sheds his salary and returns a possible future lotto pick seems fair.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don’t think posters here are clueless. Many are very realistic. When just stating the obvious, Ant is a short, ball stopping tweener that can’t defend but has above average offense. Currently, there does not seem to be a bidding war for his services and in his defense we do not know what Portland is asking for. We also do not know if Ant is receptive to being the sixth man until a good deal for him materializes. But in my opinion, a deal that sheds his salary and returns a possible future lotto pick seems fair.

Posters here may not be clueless, but the "ball-stopping" narrative is.

 

[sheed30]

I don’t think posters here are clueless. Many are very realistic. When just stating the obvious, Ant is a short, ball stopping tweener that can’t defend but has above average offense. Currently, there does not seem to be a bidding war for his services and in his defense we do not know what Portland is asking for. We also do not know if Ant is receptive to being the sixth man until a good deal for him materializes. But in my opinion, a deal that sheds his salary and returns a possible future lotto pick seems fair.

You don’t trade away a 25 year old we took 6 years to groom for a damn lottery pick that we have no clue what will end in down the road and just to shed salary.

that’s a great way to get Cronin fired and to make our team, one of the worse in the league, even worse!

We need more talent, not get even worse, and not trade away our best players basically for nothing and a salary dump, sorry to say.

 

[Natebishop3]

an Ant trade idea from RealGM:

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I know most won't like that trade, but it could be trading Ant for a solid Lottery pick

that 2029 first returned + shedding 26M in salary + gaining a 26M TPE. I know it won't happen but that does seem like Portland does pretty well

Ouch man….. basically a salary dump. That’s brutal.

 

[sheed30]

Posters here may not be clueless, but the "ball-stopping" narrative is.

Yet Ant had better usage with Dame next to him, maybe you need to understand that we had poor talent on our team that Ant was on forced into taking a load of the offense.

What can change that is our young guys getting better each year, that’s how we take the next leap and Ant won’t be forced to shoulder most of the offense.

This will be Sharpe’s 3rd season, this is big season for him. We SHOULD see improvements but that’s we shall see.

Scoot should be better too. Camara and Walker too.

 

[beast blazer]

One word : horrible!

this is what I’m talking about. From a GM standpoint some of you in here are clueless about getting equal value back in an Ant trade.

Damian is the best Blazer of all time, but Ant should be traded in a salary dump. Makes no sense.

 

[Phatguysrule]

an Ant trade idea from RealGM:

View attachment 65166

I know most won't like that trade, but it could be trading Ant for a solid Lottery pick

that 2029 first returned + shedding 26M in salary + gaining a 26M TPE. I know it won't happen but that does seem like Portland does pretty well

Yeah, if we can't get an earlier pick than that I'd do it. Guys like Ant just aren't that valuable.

 

[sheed30]

Yeah, if we can't get an earlier pick than that I'd do it.

Lmao

 

[sheed30]

ZERO CREDIBILITY. That's what you've got. Dame is easily the best point guard this team has ever had. Dame's assists per game are only .3 behind Porter. Porter was a more efficient three point shooter but we know the difference in the types of threes and their impact on games. He wasn't as good from the free throw line nor did he get to the line anywhere close to as much as Dame. Terry wasn't close to the three level scorer. Holy shit this fucking exercise is stupid. The Ant exercise is fucking stupid.

These players aren't close to as good as Dame. You're not only calling into question your ability to assess Dame, Ant and Terry but this is such an absolutely asinine take it calls into question how well you understand the game generally. All of this bullshit about Ant compared to Dame is fucking pathetic from a sports argument standpoint. Seemingly absurd but sadly I think you're serious.

I remember when you were ok with Ben Simmons on this team as well as many other posters and I kept harping how dumb it would be for us to trade for Ben Simmons and that he is regressing. That sure did age well didn’t it?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yet Ant had better usage with Dame next to him, maybe you need to understand that we had poor talent on our team that Ant was on forced into taking a load of the offense.

What can change that is our young guys getting better each year, that’s how we take the next leap and Ant won’t be forced to shoulder most of the offense.

This will be Sharpe’s 3rd season, this is big season for him. We SHOULD see improvements but that’s we shall see.

Scoot should be better too. Camara and Walker too.

You do understand that I was agreeing with you.

 

[blazerkor]

You can't make any argument to back that up aside from stomping your feet. Porter was averaging 9-10 assists per 36 in his prime. Porter was better in 2 out of 3 main phases, and Lillard only scored more in proportion to how many more shots he took. Something that bit the Blazers in the playoffs several times. Teams would double/Trap Dame and he had no answer. He just stubbornly kept trying to score on his own.

I'll just make the argument that everyone in the basketball world including all of the pro analysts, coaches and players would call you ridiculous. Dame is a top 75 player of all time, Terry wasn't even close to a consideration.

Terry was a 2 time all star and 0 time all nba player. Dame is an 8 time all star and a 7 time all nba selection. This is not an argument that rational people have. You referenced Porter's prime assist numbers... during his three seasons that he averaged between 9.1 and 10.1 assists per game, he was also averaging between 17.7 and 14.9 points per game. Dame's best three seasons for assists excluding his ab injury season were averages between 7.3 and 8.0 assists per game, during that time he was averaging between 32.2 and 28.8 points per game.

I'm done discussing this absolute nonsense. Fucking pivoting from the asinine argument that Ant is the same to the preposterous notion that Porter was better is just sad. I'm not the one stomping my feet but I am done discussing this with people that have zero attachment to reality.

 

[sheed30]

You do understand that I was agreeng with you.

Ok my bad, I got mixed up then in what you meant

 

[blazerkor]

I remember when you were ok with Ben Simmons on this team as well as many other posters and I kept harping how dumb it would be for us to trade for Ben Simmons and that he is regressing. That sure did age well didn’t it?

Yeah, my estimation that Simmons was only in a slump was wrong. I don't have a problem saying that. I thought a guy who was 24 at the time could come back. I abandoned that idea the next season he played which was almost a year and a half later. I never had a hard time admitting what was obvious to see, once there was a large enough sample size to see it.

There is more than a large enough sample size to see that Ant isn't close to being as good as Dame has been. People like to point out what their numbers looked like when they were the same age despite the fact that Ant has been in the league a helluva lot longer than Dame was at the same age but let's look at it. Dame's numbers were pretty close to Ant's when he was 24 but Dame was the point guard on a team that was going to the playoffs for the second year in a row, Dame had hit The Shot against the Rockets the year before, Dame had been named to the all star team... Dame put the numbers up in games that mattered, in wins instead of losses, with defenses worried about how his performance would impact the outcome of games.

This shit is so fucking ridiculous. My last post to @beast crnjo was that I was done discussing these ridiculous and untethered arguments with him and now I'll do the same to you. Good luck with your irrational assessment of Ant and please if Ant gets traded try and keep your incoherent whining about how we didn't get enough for him to yourself. Your arguments are intelligible, you are articulating your points but the reasoning behind them is absolutely incoherent. It would be like me now saying that I thought Ben Simmons was likely to come back from a "slump" that he's in, that's how far off this Ant being anywhere close to as good or valuable as Dame bullshit is.

 

[Hoopguru]

Spurs traded Graham so maybe SA could be an Ant destination.

 

[RR7]

Spurs traded Graham so maybe SA could be an Ant destination.

Sounds like they're likely to be a 3rd team in derozan to Sacramento deal, using up most of their remaining cap space

 

[sheed30]

Yeah, my estimation that Simmons was only in a slump was wrong. I don't have a problem saying that. I thought a guy who was 24 at the time could come back. I abandoned that idea the next season he played which was almost a year and a half later. I never had a hard time admitting what was obvious to see, once there was a large enough sample size to see it.

There is more than a large enough sample size to see that Ant isn't close to being as good as Dame has been. People like to point out what their numbers looked like when they were the same age despite the fact that Ant has been in the league a helluva lot longer than Dame was at the same age but let's look at it. Dame's numbers were pretty close to Ant's when he was 24 but Dame was the point guard on a team that was going to the playoffs for the second year in a row, Dame had hit The Shot against the Rockets the year before, Dame had been named to the all star team... Dame put the numbers up in games that mattered, in wins instead of losses, with defenses worried about how his performance would impact the outcome of games.

This shit is so fucking ridiculous. My last post to @beast crnjo was that I was done discussing these ridiculous and untethered arguments with him and now I'll do the same to you. Good luck with your irrational assessment of Ant and please if Ant gets traded try and keep your incoherent whining about how we didn't get enough for him to yourself. Your arguments are intelligible, you are articulating your points but the reasoning behind them is absolutely incoherent. It would be like me now saying that I thought Ben Simmons was likely to come back from a "slump" that he's in, that's how far off this Ant being anywhere close to as good or valuable as Dame bullshit is.

All of that?

I mean, you did just reply to someone in big bold letters “ZERO CREDIBILITY”

I’m having fun with your statement is all. Don’t dish it out if you can’t handle it back, simple

 

[Pinwheel1]

Sounds like they're likely to be a 3rd team in derozan to Sacramento deal, using up most of their remaining cap space

DeRosan to Sac sounds good to me. That is one less option for the Lakers. Not that I think he was a good fit for LA, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were faking interest so Portland lowered their demand for Grant.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

So it appears maybe we've already kept Ant too long and there is no demand for him.

CJ 2.0

Awesome.

Prime time to trade him was probably when we traded CJ before Ant signed the current contract. Proved himself as a ~20ppg scorer but still had a lot of unknown upside and youth.

Counter argument is you do trades like that you can have a Jermaine 2.0 situation.

Probably more likely than not Sharpe and Scoot are the same where their value is the highest right now than it will be in a few years. Do you want to trade them away though and risk an OKC Harden type of major regret? It's probably more likely the higher return on an asset to trade them now, but if your wrong and they become an all-star elsewhere it would be a franchise dooming blunder.

 

[beast blazer]

I'll just make the argument that everyone in the basketball world including all of the pro analysts, coaches and players would call you ridiculous. Dame is a top 75 player of all time, Terry wasn't even close to a consideration.

Terry was a 2 time all star and 0 time all nba player. Dame is an 8 time all star and a 7 time all nba selection. This is not an argument that rational people have. You referenced Porter's prime assist numbers... during his three seasons that he averaged between 9.1 and 10.1 assists per game, he was also averaging between 17.7 and 14.9 points per game. Dame's best three seasons for assists excluding his ab injury season were averages between 7.3 and 8.0 assists per game, during that time he was averaging between 32.2 and 28.8 points per game.

I'm done discussing this absolute nonsense. Fucking pivoting from the asinine argument that Ant is the same to the preposterous notion that Porter was better is just sad. I'm not the one stomping my feet but I am done discussing this with people that have zero attachment to reality.

That list was a bunch of hype. The media and casual fans like players that can score a bunch of points, but there are players that actually contribute more to winning that aren't on that list.

Take Carmelo Anthony for example, I compared him to Dame because he was an extremely talented 1 on 1 scorer but that doesn't translate into wins.

He's on the 75 list, but I'd much rather have a player that is good on both ends that is NOT on the list. I'd take Manu Ginobili, Terry Porter, Pau Gasol, Rasheed Wallace over a guy like Lillard/Anthony.

 

[wizenheimer]

CJ and Ant bring the same overall skillset to the table.

ftfy

 

[SharpesTriumph]

an Ant trade idea from RealGM:

View attachment 65166

I know most won't like that trade, but it could be trading Ant for a solid Lottery pick

that 2029 first returned + shedding 26M in salary + gaining a 26M TPE. I know it won't happen but that does seem like Portland does pretty well

I don't think Detroit still has that much cap space.

If they want Simons I'm probably just trading with them and getting Ivey or something else. Leave Washington out of it.

 

[wizenheimer]

Ouch man….. basically a salary dump. That’s brutal.

an unprotected 1st round pick that may be high in the lottery + a 26M TPE + enough room under the apron to use the full MLE. That's more than a salary dump

 

[beast blazer]

ftfy

5.8 per 36 assists as a SG last year. He's also much more athletic than CJ, who had a hard time dealing with full court pressure. That's why I wouldn't want to rely on CJ to be the primary ball handler. But aside from that CJ and Dame are similar as well, that's why people hated the pairing.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

an unprotected 1st round pick that may be high in the lottery + a 26M TPE + enough room under the apron to use the full MLE. That's more than a salary dump

It's not really fair to call it an unprotected 1st round pick as it's guaranteed to not be the most valuable pick of PDX/MIL/BOS. I'd rather have just the Lakers pick unprotected or a number of teams pick. The chance of two teams in the PDX/MIL/BOS group BOTH having a great lottery pick is much lower than many single teams having a great lottery pick.

The salary savings are interesting, but that would've been MUCH more valuable back on June 30th. Now nearly all the free agents and teams needing space have deals done or are finalizing the final details so 90% of that value is gone.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Sounds like they're likely to be a 3rd team in derozan to Sacramento deal, using up most of their remaining cap space

So who're they getting? Harrison F. Barnes? Can we make it a 4 team deal and involve Jerami??

 

[wizenheimer]

5.8 per 36 assists as a SG last year. He's also much more athletic than CJ, who had a hard time dealing with full court pressure. That's why I wouldn't want to rely on CJ to be the primary ball handler. But aside from that CJ and Dame are similar as well, that's why people hated the pairing.

he spent 24% of the time at PG according to BBREF and 38% according to 82games. He also led the team in usage rate

 

[RR7]

So who're they getting? Harrison F. Barnes? Can we make it a 4 team deal and involve Jerami??

I dont know who in the deal would want jerami is the problem.