Another year of Root Sports, no streaming, same' ol same ol'?

[Phatguysrule]

Free is stealing unless someone is gifting it to you. I have No problem paying for the goods and services I want.

Stealing means somebody has been deprived of the good.

What you are describing as theft is actually closer to copyright violation. Which is the responsibility of the person sharing the stream, so what you are describing is actually not even copyright violation, by law.

The only way to prevent this is to offer the best service possible, easily available to as many people as possible, at a price that makes watching the free streams less appealing.

 

[James lamphear]

In Portland, yes.

It's block out in southern part of Oregon too.

 

[James lamphear]

If you paid attention you could get chicken nuggets for free every time they score 100 points.
Why ya got to make Mrs HCP do all that. She’s a very busy lady.

Have ever seen Mrs. HCP make chicken nuggets then you know why it's better at HCP house.

 

[KingSpeed]

Great point. I have a family that watches tv and uses internet so yeah I pay for it.

I have YouTubeTV and pay $15 for League Pass which works for me since I live in NYC. But you haven’t solved the problem for people in Portland who don’t want cable, just the Blazers.

 

[kjironman1]

Stealing means somebody has been deprived of the good.

What you are describing as theft is actually closer to copyright violation. Which is the responsibility of the person sharing the stream, so what you are describing is actually not even copyright violation, by law.

The only way to prevent this is to offer the best service possible, easily available to as many people as possible, at a price that makes watching the free streams less appealing.

You do understand that what you say and how you act are important to some people right?

 

[kjironman1]

I have YouTubeTV and pay $15 for League Pass which works for me since I live in NYC. But you haven’t solved the problem for people in Portland who don’t want cable, just the Blazers.

It isn’t my job to solve the problem. Hope they can get what they are looking for.

 

[kjironman1]

Have ever seen Mrs. HCP make chicken nuggets then you know why it's better at HCP house.

I’m more of a tamale kind of guy.

 

[Phatguysrule]

You do understand that what you say and how you act are important to some people right?

Corporations take advantage of us enough and reduce quality of life enough for us that we don't need to feel bad about taking advantage of their greedy overreaching.

Especially when doing so isn't even against any law. Corporations honor no code for our benefit, why should we honor a made up code for their benefit?

I've paid for cable packages for years when I didn't watch anything other than Blazer games. Until the shitty Comcast deal expired and they jumped into bed with Root.

I'm done being a pawn in their game, and I'd encourage others to back away as well. It's the only pressure they'll feel.

I'd gladly pay $15 per month for Blazer games. But I will not buy a cable or satellite subscription just to watch the Blazers ever again. The greedy and restrictive artificial scarcity of the Comcast and Root deals were too much.

Either it will be available free on local tv, available to stream without a $50+ subscription or I'll miss it.

It's not my job to protect the copyright of large corporations.

 

[Strenuus]

Corporations take advantage of us enough and reduce quality of life enough for us that we don't need to feel bad about taking advantage of their greedy overreaching.

Especially when doing so isn't even against any law. Corporations honor no code for our benefit, why should we honor a made up code for their benefit?

I've paid for cable packages for years when I didn't watch anything other than Blazer games. Until the shitty Comcast deal expired and they jumped into bed with Root.

I'm done being a pawn in their game, and I'd encourage others back away as well. It's the only pressure they'll feel.

I'd gladly pay $15 per month for Blazer games. But I will not buy a cable or satellite subscription just to watch the Blazers ever again. The greedy and restrictive artificial scarcity of the Comcast and Root deals were too much.

Either it will be available free on local tv, available to stream without a $50+ subscription or I'll miss it.

It's not my job to protect the copyright of large corporations.

There's no counter argument to this. I'll pay for what I want, but I won't pay for what I don't want.

I.e. I'll pay $20 a month if it meant I got Blazer games (simarlily, I'd do it for the Mariners too) what I won't do is pay $150 for 150 channels I dont need and essentially paying $75 a month for internet and $75 for bloatware). I was paying $80 a month for the cheapest internet Comcast had and it went out at least twice a week for bits of time. I'm not tacking on another $80 a month for one channel I want. That's a waste of fucking money.

You make the blazer/mariners/whatever team you want for $20-25 a month you'd get almost ANY fan to pay for it. But you know who knows that too? Greedy fucking corporations. They like to fuck up the people who will willingly pay $80 a month for 5 channels, and then $15 a month/each for 4 streaming services.

I haven't watched cable in years. Never will pay for it. It's time for others to grow wise and realize they can't all have us over a barrel. The sports fan can be the biggest deterrent. We just want affordable options for our teams. Until then, they can go fuck themselves. Others need to get wise about it.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Corporations take advantage of us enough and reduce quality of life enough for us that we don't need to feel bad about taking advantage of their greedy overreaching.

Especially when doing so isn't even against any law. Corporations honor no code for our benefit, why should we honor a made up code for their benefit?

I've paid for cable packages for years when I didn't watch anything other than Blazer games. Until the shitty Comcast deal expired and they jumped into bed with Root.

I'm done being a pawn in their game, and I'd encourage others to back away as well. It's the only pressure they'll feel.

I'd gladly pay $15 per month for Blazer games. But I will not buy a cable or satellite subscription just to watch the Blazers ever again. The greedy and restrictive artificial scarcity of the Comcast and Root deals were too much.

Either it will be available free on local tv, available to stream without a $50+ subscription or I'll miss it.

It's not my job to protect the copyright of large corporations.

Especially since the NBA offers the exact same package to fans outside of the market for a fair price.

The blackout restrictions were initially imposed to help boost ticket sales and attendance. It is an antiquated relic of media monopolies.

 

[kjironman1]

Corporations take advantage of us enough and reduce quality of life enough for us that we don't need to feel bad about taking advantage of their greedy overreaching.

Not all "Corporations" do this.

Especially when doing so isn't even against any law.

Yes it is. Stealing is stealing.

Corporations honor no code for our benefit, why should we honor a made up code for their benefit?

Again. Yes there are many that do and my honor is just that. MY HONOR.

I've paid for cable packages for years when I didn't watch anything other than Blazer games. Until the shitty Comcast deal expired and they jumped into bed with Root.

This was your choice. Nobody forced you to do anything. Also I highly doubt you only watched Blazer games ONLY.

I'm done being a pawn in their game, and I'd encourage others to back away as well. It's the only pressure they'll feel.

Good for you. I would support you and anyone else in this endeavor.

I'd gladly pay $15 per month for Blazer games. But I will not buy a cable or satellite subscription just to watch the Blazers ever again

Nobody is forcing you to and like i said I get a bunch more than just "Blazer Games". My kids and Wife are on You Tube constantly. I Get my financials and news outlets. I watch NFL, MLB, College Football and Basketball, Little League World Series, Summer League NBA, My movie Streaming Services, Every Star Trek that has ever been made, Local weather and News, I get that Draft all of you are so keen on the Blazers playing in the lottery in, And much more.

It's not my job to protect the copyright of large corporations.

Nope but it is your responsibility to follow the laws and ordinances that protect the copyrights of businesses everywhere. It's the law. If you are pirating you are stealing from someone.

There's no counter argument to this.

Yes there is and I just made it. Your moral compass is your business. If you don't feel things are right then get them changed legally. Sitting on your ass bitching about things and not taking action is lame.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yes it is. Stealing is stealing.


Nope but it is your responsibility to follow the laws and ordinances that protect the copyrights of businesses everywhere. It's the law. If you are pirating you are stealing from someone.

To be clear, PGR stated that the laws and ordinances that govern media piracy only address those who distribute the content, not those who consume it. If there are no laws stating that consuming pirated material is illegal, then no laws are being violated by those who access illegal streams.

It is identical to the current drug laws in the city of Portland. It is illegal to sell meth, heroin, fentanyl, etc. But it is not illegal for people to possess and use the same. The laws govern the distributors, not the consumers.

 

[kjironman1]

To be clear, PGR stated that the laws and ordinances that govern media piracy only address those who distribute the content, not those who consume it. If there are no laws stating that consuming pirated material is illegal, then no laws are being violated by those who access illegal streams.

It is identical to the current drug laws in the city of Portland. It is illegal to sell meth, heroin, fentanyl, etc. But it is not illegal for people to possess and use the same. The laws govern the distributors, not the consumers.

I get all that. It's explained here for those interested in reading up.
https://www.romanolaw.com/attacking-illegal-streaming-under-the-protecting-lawful-streaming-act/

Now here is the moral code part. If you support those who are making a profit from these streaming features then you are part of the problem.

The reason Drugs are a problem is because people buy and use drugs. If there wasn't a market there wouldn't be a problem. By the way what you have said about possession of drugs is inherently wrong. There are limits to amounts you can possess and you cannot use drugs in a way that would harm others as well as in places where restrictions apply. Same thing applies. If you are complaining about corporations charging more for their product but entertain yourself in ways that kill their ways of making any profit you are in essence the problem.

I pay for my service. It always works and I get what I'm asking for. If I don't I call the company and they fix any and all issues. I pay a fair price for what I get and have been happy for many years. I check regularly for better deals and specials which we (My Family) take advantage of as they arise.
This is the way business is done. Anything less is shady at best.

Enjoy wading through endless pop ups and worrying about if you are being hacked while watching your games. I for one will keep my service.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Not all "Corporations" do this.

These ones do.

Yes it is. Stealing is stealing.

It's not stealing just because you say it is. It's literally and legally not stealing.

You're simply making claims that make no sense. We have no obligation to purchase this service.

Again. Yes there are many that do and my honor is just that. MY HONOR.

None that I know of. In fact, they are mandated by their shareholders to take every advantage they can, including predatory and immoral actions.

This was your choice. Nobody forced you to do anything. Also I highly doubt you only watched Blazer games ONLY.

Thank you for telling me what I watch on cable. I appreciate that.

You're 100% wrong. Just like you're wrong about the rest.

Nobody is forcing you to and like i said I get a bunch more than just "Blazer Games". My kids and Wife are on You Tube constantly. I Get my financials and news outlets. I watch NFL, MLB, College Football and Basketball, Little League World Series, Summer League NBA, My movie Streaming Services, Every Star Trek that has ever been made, Local weather and News, I get that Draft all of you are so keen on the Blazers playing in the lottery in, And much more.

We aren't talking about YouTube or movie streaming services. Those can be viewed by anybody, anywhere, at a far more reasonable price.

If the Blazers were available to watch on any of these services with no blackouts we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Nope but it is your responsibility to follow the laws and ordinances that protect the copyrights of businesses everywhere. It's the law. If you are pirating you are stealing from someone.

Sure it's my responsibility to follow the laws that apply to me.

No law is being broken by any person watching any sports stream.

You are 100% wrong.

Yes there is and I just made it. Your moral compass is your business. If you don't feel things are right then get them changed legally. Sitting on your ass bitching about things and not taking action is lame.

There is no need to change the law to do something that is already perfectly legal. Watching any sports stream is 100% legal.

You have been duped into thinking it is illegal in some way, but there is no law making it so.

Music and video games have figured this out. Eventually sports will as well. I'm out as a paying customer until they do.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I get all that. It's explained here for those interested in reading up.
https://www.romanolaw.com/attacking-illegal-streaming-under-the-protecting-lawful-streaming-act/

Interestingly, that link seems to indicate that I could share a stream without violating the law.

Under the PLSA, an offender must act (1) willfully; (2) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain; and (3) offer or provide to the public a digital transmission service. A digital transmission service is “a service that has the primary purpose of publicly performing works by digital transmission.”

So as long as I'm not personally gaining from sharing the stream, it would be legal for me to distribute the media to as many people as I wanted.

 

[kjironman1]

These ones do.

It's not stealing just because you say it is. It's literally and legally not stealing.

You're simply making claims that make no sense. We have no obligation to purchase this service.


The vast majority do not. These ones in particular do not.
None that I know of. In fact, they are mandated by their shareholders to take every advantage they can, including predatory and immoral actions.


Thank you for telling me what I watch on cable. I appreciate that.

You're 100% wrong. Just like you're wrong about the rest.


We aren't talking about YouTube or movie streaming services. Those can be viewed by anybody, anywhere, at a far more reasonable price.

If the Blazers were available to watch on any of these services with no blackouts we wouldn't be having this discussion.


Sure it's my responsibility to follow the laws that apply to me.

No law is being broken by any person watching any sports stream.

You are 100% wrong.



There is no need to change the law to do something that is already perfectly legal. Watching any sports stream is 100% legal.

You have been duped into thinking it is illegal in some way, but there is no law making it so.

Music and video games have figured this out. Eventually sports will as well. I'm out as a paying customer they do.

The conversation you began was by saying “it’s free” it ain’t free. It’s never going to be free. What you are talking about is stealing.

 

[kjironman1]

Interestingly, that link seems to indicate that I could share a stream without violating the law.



So as long as I'm not personally gaining from sharing the stream, it would be legal for me to distribute the media to as many people as I wanted.

That is a very interesting point. The problem arises when you start putting any form of commercial or advertising. Thus the pop up thing.
Next is the “click here for more details”.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The conversation you began was by saying “it’s free” it ain’t free. It’s never going to be free. What you are talking about is stealing.

It was free when it was on KGW. Like Utah gets to watch their team. Free. That's not stealing... and no. What I am talking about is not stealing either.

I didn't say it had to be free. But I did say free is a good price. I've been very clear that a reasonable streaming fee with no blackouts would be acceptable.

By any definition. I'm not sure how else to break it to you. You are misunderstanding the law here. Cable has to compete with copyright violators. The law can only help them so much by taking them down as they are able. It is not my responsibility or anybody else's to read the terms of every agreement of everything available on the internet. That's not reasonable. That's why the law is the way it is.

It is the responsibility of cable companies to offer a product with a better price to experience ration than potential copyright violators. Which they can do, very easily. In fact, more easily than trying to shut down the copyright violators. But they have an antiquated perspective much like you do, and that is why cable companies are losing subscribers right and left, even as people spend more an more time in front of screens. This is why cable companies will be losing Disney and ESPN soon.

It's just natural evolution. When there is artificial scarcity something will fill that niche. With technology whatever fills that void can be a VERY compelling product very quickly, making it far easier for people to opt out.

This is a feature of our current laws, not a bug.

 

[kjironman1]

The conversation you began was by saying “it’s free” it ain’t free. It’s never going to be free. What you are talking about is stealing.

Your response to this is laughable at best. 100% wrong cannot be used when discussing an opinion or an option.
Obviously you saving 100 bucks means more to you than doing what is right.
I’m happy you saved a few bucks.
Carry on.

 

[kjironman1]

It was free when it was on KGW. Like Utah gets to watch their team. Free. That's not stealing... and no. What I am talking about is not stealing either.

I didn't say it had to be free. But I did say free is a good price. I've been very clear that a reasonable streaming fee with no blackouts would be acceptable.

By any definition. I'm not sure how else to break it to you. You are misunderstanding the law here. Cable has to compete with copyright violators. The law can only help them so much by taking them down as they are able. It is not my responsibility or anybody else's to read the terms of every agreement of everything available on the internet. That's not reasonable. That's why the law is the way it is.

It is the responsibility of cable companies to offer a product with a better price to experience ration than potential copyright violators. Which they can do, very easily. In fact, more easily than trying to shut down the copyright violators. But they have an antiquated perspective much like you do, and that is why cable companies are losing subscribers right and left, even as people spend more an more time in front of screens. This is why cable companies will be losing Disney and ESPN soon.

It's just natural evolution. When there is artificial scarcity something will fill that niche. With technology whatever fills that void can be a VERY compelling product very quickly, making it far easier for people to opt out.

This is a feature of our current laws, not a bug.

Like I said your responses to this are laughable at best.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Your response to this is laughable at best. 100% wrong cannot be used when discussing an opinion or an option.
Obviously you saving 100 bucks means more to you than doing what is right.
I’m happy you saved a few bucks.
Carry on.

I apologize, let me be clear. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong. I'm saying the letter of the law and the definition of the words you are using are inaccurate.

 

[HailBlazers]

Pretty sad KGW no longer broadcasts any.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Like I said your responses to this are laughable at best.

My responses are 100% correct though. Your claims of illegality and theft are 100% inaccurate. Which makes your claim of immorality questionable at best.

 

[kjironman1]

Pretty sad KGW no longer broadcasts any.

On this I think we all agree. Local station broadcasting was the best IMO.

 

[kjironman1]

My responses are 100% correct though. Your claims of illegality and theft are 100% inaccurate. Which makes your claim of immorality questionable at best.

My claim is that if you are using a pirated stream you are contributing to the theft of a product. IMO that is theft.
Now I hope that clears up your position.
Carry on doing what you feel is best for you. I will be doing the same.

 

[Phatguysrule]

That is a very interesting point. The problem arises when you start putting any form of commercial or advertising. Thus the pop up thing.
Next is the “click here for more details”.

Thereby using quality adblockers removes the possibility of making a morality argument? In fact, you could say that watching streams with ad blockers even hurts those who would be trying to profit on such streams, thereby reducing the incentive for such immoral and illegal behavior.

 

[Phatguysrule]

My claim is that if you are using a pirated stream you are contributing to the theft of a product. IMO that is theft.
Now I hope that clears up your position.
Carry on doing what you feel is best for you. I will be doing the same.

Using a pirated stream (defined as a stream in which the streamer is making profit) with a quality ad blocker is not contributing to the theft of a product. First of all, no theft is happening. And you aren't contributing to any copyright violation if you are not being served ads. You are in fact making it less profitable for such a stream by using up bandwidth they have to pay for, without generating revenue to cover that cost.

 

[Chris Craig]

I get all that. It's explained here for those interested in reading up.
https://www.romanolaw.com/attacking-illegal-streaming-under-the-protecting-lawful-streaming-act/

Now here is the moral code part. If you support those who are making a profit from these streaming features then you are part of the problem.

The reason Drugs are a problem is because people buy and use drugs. If there wasn't a market there wouldn't be a problem. By the way what you have said about possession of drugs is inherently wrong. There are limits to amounts you can possess and you cannot use drugs in a way that would harm others as well as in places where restrictions apply. Same thing applies. If you are complaining about corporations charging more for their product but entertain yourself in ways that kill their ways of making any profit you are in essence the problem.

I pay for my service. It always works and I get what I'm asking for. If I don't I call the company and they fix any and all issues. I pay a fair price for what I get and have been happy for many years. I check regularly for better deals and specials which we (My Family) take advantage of as they arise.
This is the way business is done. Anything less is shady at best.

Enjoy wading through endless pop ups and worrying about if you are being hacked while watching your games. I for one will keep my service.

You could certainly use drugs in a way that would harm others.

 

[kjironman1]

Using a pirated stream (defined as a stream in which the streamer is making profit) with a quality ad blocker is not contributing to the theft of a product. First of all, no theft is happening. And you aren't contributing to any copyright violation if you are not being served ads. You are in fact making it less profitable for such a stream by using up bandwidth they have to pay for, without generating revenue to cover that cost.

Sure. If that works to make you feel better about pirating then have at it.
I will continue to pay what I feel is a reasonable price for a good product.
Funny part is all the typing you have done to make yourself feel better you could have earned the money to pay the 100 bucks to buy the product and more.
Enjoy your pirated stream.

 

[kjironman1]

You could certainly use drugs in a way that would harm others.

Doctors seem to all the time no?