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You surely don't have to make a profit for it to be piracy. Isn't the unauthorized reproduction or use of a protected intellectual property itself piracy?
 
Chris Craig said:
You surely don't have to make a profit for it to be piracy. Isn't the unauthorized reproduction or use of a protected intellectual property itself piracy?
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Not according to the link that @kjironman1 provided and that I quoted. To reiterate...

Romano Law said:
Under the PLSA, an offender must act (1) willfully; (2) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain; and (3) offer or provide to the public a digital transmission service. A digital transmission service is “a service that has the primary purpose of publicly performing works by digital transmission.”
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If the streamer doesn't benefit financially from providing the stream, then it's not a violation of the PLSA.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Not according to the link that @kjironman1 provided and that I quoted. To reiterate...



If the streamer doesn't benefit financially from providing the stream, then it's not a violation of the PLSA.
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So an offender must do all 3 to be breaking the law? It's interesting one can get away with 1 and 3 as long they are not doing 2.

Thus the question of morality.
 
kjironman1 said:
I get all that. It's explained here for those interested in reading up.
https://www.romanolaw.com/attacking-illegal-streaming-under-the-protecting-lawful-streaming-act/

Now here is the moral code part. If you support those who are making a profit from these streaming features then you are part of the problem.
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This is why it's not a responsibility of the viewer. It's not realistic to expect people to parse the contracts of every streamer. That's why as long as the content is legal (legal sports), it is legal to view it.

kjironman1 said:
The reason Drugs are a problem is because people buy and use drugs. If there wasn't a market there wouldn't be a problem. By the way what you have said about possession of drugs is inherently wrong. There are limits to amounts you can possess and you cannot use drugs in a way that would harm others as well as in places where restrictions apply. Same thing applies. If you are complaining about corporations charging more for their product but entertain yourself in ways that kill their ways of making any profit you are in essence the problem.
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This not the case. The reason drugs are a problem is that we have criminalized them and the people who use them. Hence creating artificial scarcity (raising the price, creating an unregulated black market), and we refuse to treat victims (addicts). Instead imprisoning them and restricting their legal prospects, which pushes them back into the black market, and the cycle continues and grows.

This was proven by Portugal who decriminalized drugs and made sure there was adequate treatment available to all. Within 5 years all drug related crime had dropped significantly, and it continued to be drop until they started restricting access to care.

But that's a different topic, which I'd be glad to engage in on a different thread. It does however, show how easily mischaracterizing problems can result in great and unintentional societal harms.

kjironman1 said:
I pay for my service. It always works and I get what I'm asking for. If I don't I call the company and they fix any and all issues. I pay a fair price for what I get and have been happy for many years. I check regularly for better deals and specials which we (My Family) take advantage of as they arise.
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That's great! I'm happy it works for you! A great many others are left unable to access this content because people support these practices (not me, but many others).

kjironman1 said:
This is the way business is done. Anything less is shady at best.

Enjoy wading through endless pop ups and worrying about if you are being hacked while watching your games.
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It's your opinion that it's shady, but you're basing that opinion on incorrect definitions and incorrect interpretations of law.

Responsible browsing practices eliminate the increased concern for popups and hacking.

kjironman1 said:
I for one will keep my service.
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Excellent! I won't judge your moral standing for supporting a corporation that engages in immoral activity. It's not my place to do so. After all, you aren't breaking any laws either.
 
Chris Craig said:
So an offender must do all 3 to be breaking the law? It's interesting one can get away with 1 and 3 as long they are not doing 2.

Thus the question of morality.
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The law is written that way for a reason. If it is not being done for financial gain then there is no problem. It's not a moral problem, any more than recording the game on the VCR and watching it later was in the 1980s.
It was a moral problem to sell the recording for profit, though.
 
Phatguysrule said:
The law is written that way for a reason. If it is not being done for financial gain then there is no problem. It's not a moral problem, any more than recording the game on the VCR and watching it later was in the 1980s.
It was a moral problem to sell the recording for profit, though.
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I see.
 
kjironman1 said:
Sure. If that works to make you feel better about pirating then have at it.
I will continue to pay what I feel is a reasonable price for a good product.
Funny part is all the typing you have done to make yourself feel better you could have earned the money to pay the 100 bucks to buy the product and more.
Enjoy your pirated stream.
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Lol. I'm not refusing to pay for it because I can't afford it. I just refuse to support artificial scarcity when I can. There are people who would love to be able to sign up and watch these games, but cannot.

That's insane in this day and age.

*EDIT* In fact, it was insane a decade ago.

**EDIT** And to answer your concern, I feel far better about not paying for cable service I didn't use than I did when I was supporting the immoral and anticompetitive behavior by paying for cable service.
 
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kjironman1 said:
Wow? You had to dig deep for that one. I'm thoroughly impressed.
Never heard of someone offended by not being able to watch TV?
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Not at all. Artificial scarcity and planned obsolescence are huge issues for me (these are tools corporations use in the name of profit which actively damage our society as well as our environment), and I make many decisions in my life with those considerations in mind.

It's why I refuse to get locked into the Apple ecosystem, and will not buy an iphone or mac unless absolutely necessary. It hasn't been necessary yet. For nearly all of my tech I support the company that offers the most open ecosystem with the most repairable and reusable hardware reasonably possible. Same with cars, whenever possible, and most anything else I own.

There are many examples of this in my life. These are real moral considerations, IMO.
 
Growing up, I used to "borrow" peoples car stereos all the time AND their girlfriends...... oh I miss those days
 
THE HCP said:
They didn't want to FAMS.
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Can't compete with cable, who make money on subscriptions as well as advertisements.

Things change. Of course, cable is dealing with the changing landscape of cord cutting now...
 
Eastoff said:
I'm mentally ready to use A VPN and nba league pass. Any tips would be appreciated.
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I would wait until after the season starts. I have heard some people say that the NBA finally got wise and it doesn’t work anymore. I want to wait and see if it’s working before I pay money.
 
Eastoff said:
I'm mentally ready to use A VPN and nba league pass. Any tips would be appreciated.
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It worked really well for me with MLB.tv this last season. Does anyone know if the same functionality will work with league pass? I already have the VPN setup on my router, but is there a smartTV app that you use or something?
 
Natebishop3 said:
I would wait until after the season starts. I have heard some people say that the NBA finally got wise and it doesn’t work anymore. I want to wait and see if it’s working before I pay money.
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MLB got wise, my VPN worked for Mariners games and their At bat app, then about half way through the season it just stopped working.
 
Strenuus said:
MLB got wise, my VPN worked for Mariners games and their At bat app, then about half way through the season it just stopped working.
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Hmm, mine kept working. My problem was that the locations I set up were often California and Texas so the division games were still blackouts for me until I logged back into my router and set up a different VPN domain. Kind of onerous. There were hard blackouts when games were on Apple TV and Fox sometimes though, iirc. With leaguepass being even stricter, I doubt I'll be subscribing. Buffstream on my smartTV's browser is probably how I'll be watching the trailblazers this year.
 
Strenuus said:
MLB got wise, my VPN worked for Mariners games and their At bat app, then about half way through the season it just stopped working.
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Which VPN had you been using at the time?
 
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