OT Anthem Politics

[dviss1]

Chip's system just got exposed badly today. RIP Chip.

https://theringer.com/chip-kelly-san-francisco-49ers-offense-f332f053870e#.1kh5z78n6

Doesn't have the right QB. When Vick ran it they won 10 games and went to the Playoffs.

 

[dviss1]

Yeah i knew that. Thats great and all. But why are the stores selling them for half off?

You know exactly why.

 

[Jade Falcon]

On a lighter note, im excited to see what blaine gabbert can do in chips system. Suddenly the future doesnt look so dark.

Agreed. I'm very eager to see how Blaine does. I don't judge him based on Jacksonville: he was VERY young and on a notoriously shitty team. I also can't blame him for last season: we had a HORRIBLE coaching staff who wouldn't cut it at a Pee-Wee game, and an OLine which wouldn't cut it at the College level.

We have a new and FAR better OLine and a new coaching staff. Let's see what he does there. Can he improve, or will he always be backup quality?

Chip's system just got exposed badly today. RIP Chip.

https://theringer.com/chip-kelly-san-francisco-49ers-offense-f332f053870e#.1kh5z78n6

I just dont think it's that black and white

This. I didn't read that entire article, but I did scan through it. I think we'll be fine; I'm not predicting a perfect season by any means. But with last years staff and OLine, we went 5-11. With this staff who actually knows how the game of football is played, and with this far better OLine, I think we can improve to 8-8 or 9-7 and POSSIBLY squeeze into a Wildcard position. Granted: a LOT has to happen for that to become a reality, but it IS possible this year.

Our biggest weakness, by far, is at WR. Ellington is out for the season, and that pretty much leaves Patton and Smith; Patton playing the slot, and Smith as a deep threat. That's not great. Especially as the other WRs are on the practice squad.

And our TEs aren't all that great either: Celek is mediocre, Bell is young and raw, and McDonald only just started catching the ball last year, and still looks shaky hauling it in.

RB is being led by a guy with HUGE potential, but also a LOT of injury history, who hasn't been able to stay on the field a full season. Hyde can beast with this OLine, but can he stay healthy? That remains to be seen. He's being backed up by Draugn, who wasn't even in the league this time last year, and Davis, who's looked VASTLY improved from his rookie season last year, but is also still unproven.

I think our Defense is fine (still questions at OLB and ILB/MLB, but overall they are fine), but our Offense is a giant question mark.

Can Kelly do it? We'll see.

 

[dviss1]

but if he donates that money to an important cause...the hoopla has a happy ending for someone deserving hopefully..that's the silver lining and I commend him for refusing to keep jersey sale money or profit at all from it.

That's basically my point. And why I love what he's doing. I'd purchase and wear a Kap jersey simply because the money would be donated.

 

[dviss1]

GOD I love Steel Panther!

 

[Natebishop3]

Holy shit, really? We enslaved an ENTIRE RACE?

That dudes math is impressive. The first settlement in North America wasn't until 1607 (Jamestown). So by his math, we had slaves until 1907. I guess the Civil War in 1861 doesn't count (part of that history that you don't need to applaud.)

Then, we banned them from our privileges for the next 100 years after that. So THE ENTIRE black race (whatever that is) was banned from American privileges until 2007. Forget that the US didn't exist until after the Revolutionary War in 1776 (169 years after we supposedly enslaved an entire race of people.)

 

[riverman]

news flash! slavery sucks...we stopped it. now we all need to act accordingly with respect and civility...it's just that simple or we end up ghost dancing and blood feuding for eternity....like the Sunni Shiite or any standoff...civil rights is about humanity, not celebration of division.....now don't cue We are the World by Michael Jackson or I'll puke

 

[Natebishop3]

news flash! slavery sucks...we stopped it. now we all need to act accordingly with respect and civility...it's just that simple or we end up ghost dancing and blood feuding for eternity....like the Sunni Shiite or any standoff...civil rights is about humanity, not celebration of division.....now don't cue We are the World by Michael Jackson or I'll puke

And guess who stopped slavery..... the dudes carrying the fucking stars and stripes that Colin Kaepernick won't stand for, not that I really care

 

[dviss1]

And guess who stopped slavery..... the dudes carrying the fucking stars and stripes that Colin Kaepernick won't stand for, not that I really care

The "Great Emancipator":

1. On the expansion of slavery:

Lincoln said:
There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races ... A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas ...

2. On shipping blacks back to Africa:

Lincoln said:
In the language of Mr. Jefferson, uttered many years ago, "It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation, and deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degrees, as that the evil will wear off insensibly; and in their places be, pari passu [on an equal basis], filled up by free white laborers."

3. On outlawing slavery in the south (before the rebellion).

Lincoln said:
I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.

4. On equality:

Lincoln said:
I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position.

5. On inter-racial marriage:

Lincoln said:
Our republican system was meant for a homogeneous people. As long as blacks continue to live with the whites they constitute a threat to the national life. Family life may also collapse and the increase of mixed breed bastards may some day challenge the supremacy of the white man

 

[dviss1]

news flash! slavery sucks...we stopped it. now we all need to act accordingly with respect and civility...it's just that simple or we end up ghost dancing and blood feuding for eternity....like the Sunni Shiite or any standoff...civil rights is about humanity, not celebration of division.....now don't cue We are the World by Michael Jackson or I'll puke

Soooo just get over it....

 

[dviss1]

Party of Lincoln....

 

[Hobbesarable]

news flash! slavery sucks...we stopped it. now we all need to act accordingly with respect and civility...it's just that simple or we end up ghost dancing and blood feuding for eternity....like the Sunni Shiite or any standoff...civil rights is about humanity, not celebration of division.....now don't cue We are the World by Michael Jackson or I'll puke

Or I can take my surfboard and head to the coast again during the nice weather we'll have next week!

 

[Natebishop3]

Okay, that Indian meme is fucking ridiculous. Are we really calling disease "murder?"

 

[dviss1]

Holy shit, really? We enslaved an ENTIRE RACE?

That dudes math is impressive. The first settlement in North America wasn't until 1607 (Jamestown). So by his math, we had slaves until 1907. I guess the Civil War in 1861 doesn't count (part of that history that you don't need to applaud.)

Then, we banned them from our privileges for the next 100 years after that. So THE ENTIRE black race (whatever that is) was banned from American privileges until 2007. Forget that the US didn't exist until after the Revolutionary War in 1776 (169 years after we supposedly enslaved an entire race of people.)

And you're looking at the math....

Now don't get butt hurt about the words in the meme. It's the picture that's worth 1000 words.

 

[dviss1]

Okay, that Indian meme is fucking ridiculous. Are we really calling disease "murder?"

Small pox blankets cause disease ya know... And yes they were fucking massacred. Lincoln participated in the massacre too.

 

[dviss1]

Or I can take my surfboard and head to the coast again during the nice weather we'll have next week!

What a privilege that must be.

 

[Hobbesarable]

What a privilege that must be.

Buy a surfboard and you can do the same thing.

 

[riverman]

And you're looking at the math....

Now don't get butt hurt about the words in the meme. It's the picture that's worth 1000 words.

I love that the "free years started the year I was born" only out of coincidence...much better had it been in 1625

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

And you're looking at the math....

Now don't get butt hurt about the words in the meme. It's the picture that's worth 1000 words.

That's racist as fuck. Just because the Chinese are going to be our masters in the future doesn't mean it has to be yellow.

 

[Natebishop3]

Small pox blankets cause disease ya know... And yes they were fucking massacred. Lincoln participated in the massacre too.

Not 100 million of them. There isn't even a firm number on how many American Indians existed prior to Columbus. I've heard closer to 70 million, but they don't really know for sure.

According to this article on PBS, possibly as much as 95% were killed by disease.

http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html

The US definitely did some fucked up shit when it came to American Indians, but don't hang 100 million on us. That's ridiculous.

 

[stampedehero]

Very true. Boldin is an absolute beast on the field, and a total gentleman off of it. Unlike Colin, he's not a selfish douche. I have nothing but the upmost respect and admiration for Boldin. I'm glad he found a team to play with this season (was it the Lions?).

>I wish we got him back. He is a Lions player

 

[stampedehero]

LOL you are so predictable.


Oh, say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, thro' the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watch'd, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen thro' the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected, now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner: O, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand,
Between their lov'd homes and the war's desolation;
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!


Then conquer we must, when our cause is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!



Typical bullshit by you..... He's singing about fighting and winning slaves (and mercenaries) that were hired to battle by the British. You can interpret that however you like, however we all know what you'll do.

"It doesn't appear that Francis Scott Key ever specified what he did mean by the phrase, nor does its context point to a single, definitive interpretation."

"http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/29/star-spangled-banner-and-slavery/"

> The last three paragraphs are unknown. Thanks

 

[dviss1]

Not 100 million of them. There isn't even a firm number on how many American Indians existed prior to Columbus. I've heard closer to 70 million, but they don't really know for sure.

According to this article on PBS, possibly as much as 95% were killed by disease.

http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html

The US definitely did some fucked up shit when it came to American Indians, but don't hang 100 million on us. That's ridiculous.

They lived here without those diseases for generations.... Who brought the diseases? The cognitive dissonance is amazing in this forum....

 

[Natebishop3]

They lived here without those diseases for generations.... Who brought the diseases? The cognitive dissonance is amazing in this forum....

To call that murder though..... come on man. They didn't understand how disease worked in the 14 and 1500's. Yes, I have heard about the blankets with the smallpox. That wasn't until much later.

So honestly, what do you want from us? Do you want us to go through life hating ourselves and hating our ancestors and hating other white people because of what some people did hundreds of years ago? If you have African ancestry, should you feel bad for all the shit that happens over in Africa? All of the genocide and rape and killing?

Do you feel bad about the genocide in Rwanda?

 

[dviss1]

To call that murder though..... come on man. They didn't understand how disease worked in the 14 and 1500's. Yes, I have heard about the blankets with the smallpox. That wasn't until much later.

So honestly, what do you want from us? Do you want us to go through life hating ourselves and hating our ancestors and hating other white people because of what some people did hundreds of years ago? If you have African ancestry, should you feel bad for all the shit that happens over in Africa? All of the genocide and rape and killing?

Do you feel bad about the genocide in Rwanda?

All silly questions. Japanese got reparations for their internment camps. They didn't build shit... nor did they go through this:

Nor did they get told to win a race while running in lead boots for 400 years.

Not asking for 40 acres and a mule... Figure out the best way to actually help instead of throwing your hands up in the air and showing that you don't care since it doesn't affect you.

 

[AquaXI]

I know the NBA is much more strict than the NFL. If the Blazers as a Team took a stance like the Seahawks where they interlock in arms or something similar to offer support or bring awareness to social injustice. Would you as a fan support this? Would you see this as unexceptable for our Veterans?

 

[riverman]

I know the NBA is much more strict than the NFL. If the Blazers as a Team took a stance like the Seahawks where they interlock in arms or something similar to offer support or bring awareness to social injustice. Would you as a fan support this? Would you see this as unexceptable for our Veterans?

yes...to me as a fan, I don't want politics mucking up my entertainment choices. Off the court I absolutely support their right to protest, but not at showtime. I paid good money to see a concert years ago and the singer spent a lot of time speechifying political beliefs throughout the show....I was not entertained and felt like I'd wasted my ticket purchase or been tricked into the guy's political soapbox when music was advertised....I feel the same way about the game...to me it's a poor example for the kids at the game. Wealthy athletes can do good social work in the community but gametime to me is sacred ground...it's a distraction from the task at hand.

 

[tlongII]

Normally I'm okay with it. But not today.

 

[AquaXI]

yes...to me as a fan, I don't want politics mucking up my entertainment choices. Off the court I absolutely support their right to protest, but not at showtime. I paid good money to see a concert years ago and the singer spent a lot of time speechifying political beliefs throughout the show....I was not entertained and felt like I'd wasted my ticket purchase or been tricked into the guy's political soapbox when music was advertised....I feel the same way about the game...to me it's a poor example for the kids at the game. Wealthy athletes can do good social work in the community but gametime to me is sacred ground...it's a distraction from the task at hand.

I like the word "Sacred" and I agree. If the athletes use the free pulpit of the NBA cameras to further their own cause then I say they deserve a fine for disrupting what the fans payed for.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I like the word "Sacred" and I agree. If the athletes use the free pulpit of the NBA cameras to further their own cause then I say they deserve a fine for disrupting what the fans payed for.

Fans pay to see them play.