OT Anthem Politics

[Strenuus]

Doesn't bother me. I dont watch news.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Dont give a shit about the perceived injustice or that he is disrespectful to this god forsaken country

 

[Sinobas]

It seems that the legacy of this generation will be how much we talk about shit that doesn't matter, and how little we talk about things that do. Who cares of some twit doesn't stand for the National Anthem? It's a bit impolite socially...but why is it such a huge national story?

 

[Strenuus]

It seems that the legacy of this generation will be how much we talk about shit that doesn't matter, and how little we talk about things that do. Who cares of some twit doesn't stand for the National Anthem? It's a bit impolite socially...but why is it such a huge national story?

It's funny... people want the atheletes to be role models... role models stand up for what they believe in... all of a sudden that's a bad thing!

 

[Sinobas]

It's funny... people want the atheletes to be role models... role models stand up for what they believe in... all of a sudden that's a bad thing!

I think it's a bit cheesy myself. First of all, it's based on a false premise. Secondly, it's like saying the whole nation deserves disrespect because of some bad thing you don't like going on. It's like...oh, I won't stand for the anthem, because I won't respect a nation where corporations pollute the rivers. It's not as though he's drawing attention to something that doesn't already have oodles of attentin.

 

[Strenuus]

I think it's a bit cheesy myself. First of all, it's based on a false premise. Secondly, it's like saying the whole nation deserves disrespect because of some bad thing you don't like going on. It's like...oh, I won't stand for the anthem, because I won't respect a nation where corporations pollute the rivers. It's not as though he's drawing attention to something that doesn't already have oodles of attentin.

Not saying what they are doing isn't, I am just noticing the dichotomous nature of what people think Athletes should be, to what they want them to be.

 

[illmatic99]

Don't care either way. Why is the anthem even played before games anyway?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Don't care wither way. Why is the anthem even played before games anyway?

advertising time for tv, I mean outside of big games they don't show it.

 

[ripcityboy]

I just have a request. Can we bring back "Take Me Out to the Ball Game?" So many teams gave jettensoned it in favor of Kate Smith hollering God Bless America 165+ days a year. I know they want to honor the flag but isn't that what the national anthem is for? They are erasing a part of the frigging culture.

 

[DUB]

Don't care either way. Why is the anthem even played before games anyway?

The national anthem only gets played before finals here (pretty much for all sports), not before regular season games.

 

[PDXFonz]

I know the NBA is much more strict than the NFL. If the Blazers as a Team took a stance like the Seahawks where they interlock in arms or something similar to offer support or bring awareness to social injustice. Would you as a fan support this? Would you see this as unexceptable for our Veterans?

I feel like you've got it backwards. To me the NBA is much more open minded and progressive than the NFL.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/12/09/nba-i-cant-breathe-tshirts

Meanwhile the NFL likes to fine their players for being fined. And if you haven't been fined before, don't worry, there's a fine for that too.

 

[AquaXI]

I feel like you've got it backwards. To me the NBA is much more open minded and progressive than the NFL.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/12/09/nba-i-cant-breathe-tshirts

Meanwhile the NFL likes to fine their players for being fined. And if you haven't been fined before, don't worry, there's a fine for that too.

True the NFL is strict on conformity when it comes to uniform. With these T-shirts I think are more direct with the message. It could be because the NFL won't allow a protesting player to wear protest T-shirt that they use the Anthem pulpit to get their message heard.

 

[dviss1]

I know the NBA is much more strict than the NFL. If the Blazers as a Team took a stance like the Seahawks where they interlock in arms or something similar to offer support or bring awareness to social injustice. Would you as a fan support this? Would you see this as unexceptable for our Veterans?

I would wholeheartedly support anyone's rights.

 

[dviss1]

It seems that the legacy of this generation will be how much we talk about shit that doesn't matter, and how little we talk about things that do. Who cares of some twit doesn't stand for the National Anthem? It's a bit impolite socially...but why is it such a huge national story?

Exactly. It was the media and continues to be them who blows these things WAY out of proportion.

 

[Cippy91]

I can't get behind it. These dudes can do what they want, it's just petty to me. It's all talk no action. You can sit for the national anthem for a cause you believe in but at the end of the day did you put up any money towards that cause? were you on the front lines? no, you just sat during a song and now for whatever reason people think you're a hero. It's dumb. That's society today though

 

[Mediocre Man]

I feel like you've got it backwards. To me the NBA is much more open minded and progressive than the NFL.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/12/09/nba-i-cant-breathe-tshirts

Meanwhile the NFL likes to fine their players for being fined. And if you haven't been fined before, don't worry, there's a fine for that too.

The NBA has a rule that every player must stand for the Anthem. So in that sense, they are more strict.

 

[Mediocre Man]

What Kaepernick did, was quietly and non violently raise more awareness and discussion about an issue that needs to be changed. I hated the sitting, but had no problem with the kneeling. I also like the kneeling more than the raised fist. I think what the Seahawks did was awesome.

Injustice won't change unless people take a stand or a kneel against it.

My favorite thing is people calling Kaepernick anti American. In truth, peaceful demonstration and protest is about the most American thing someone can do.

 

[Mediocre Man]

All silly questions. Japanese got reparations for their internment camps. They didn't build shit... nor did they go through this:

Nor did they get told to win a race while running in lead boots for 400 years.

Not asking for 40 acres and a mule... Figure out the best way to actually help instead of throwing your hands up in the air and showing that you don't care since it doesn't affect you.

I am asking because I don't know. How do those pictures affect you? How does slavery affect you? I ask because as a Christian, I am not affected by the pursection of Christians that has happened.

 

[Cippy91]

What Kaepernick did, was quietly and non violently raise more awareness and discussion about an issue that needs to be changed. I hated the sitting, but had no problem with the kneeling. I also like the kneeling more than the raised fist. I think what the Seahawks did was awesome.

Injustice won't change unless people take a stand or a kneel against it.

My favorite thing is people calling Kaepernick anti American. In truth, peaceful demonstration and protest is about the most American thing someone can do.

Kneeling doesn't change a thing. Nor does it bring up discussion. It actually did the opposite. It brought people to argue and hate and not come to any sort of logical conversation. He apparently is supposed to donate a million but I would like to see proof of that. So yeah, if you actually wanna make a difference, go out and do it instead of kneel or sit on the bench. Just saying

 

[jlprk]

Okay, that Indian meme is fucking ridiculous. Are we really calling disease "murder?"

Small pox blankets cause disease ya know... And yes they were fucking massacred. Lincoln participated in the massacre too.

To call that murder though..... come on man. They didn't understand how disease worked in the 14 and 1500's. Yes, I have heard about the blankets with the smallpox. That wasn't until much later.

So honestly, what do you want from us? Do you want us to go through life hating ourselves and hating our ancestors and hating other white people because of what some people did hundreds of years ago?

I only read the last page of this thread. Smallpox blankets were used as a weapon of war in Roman Empire times, so it's untrue that the method is recent. Knowledge of modern biology isn't necessary to use them.

What I want from you is to stop feeling so proud in American Exceptionalism that you continue to start wars exactly like the Indian Wars, against cultures which don't threaten you, in order to ruthlessly destroy them to replace them with European economic, legal, and value systems. You seem to think it's all in the past, when it's still happening all over the world. Its name is "American foreign policy."

 

[Mediocre Man]

Kneeling doesn't change a thing. Nor does it bring up discussion. It actually did the opposite. It brought people to argue and hate and not come to any sort of logical conversation. He apparently is supposed to donate a million but I would like to see proof of that. So yeah, if you actually wanna make a difference, go out and do it instead of kneel or sit on the bench. Just saying

If you don't think what he did started conversations about the issue he is protesting, you aren't paying attention. His act has probably raised more awareness to the issue than everything else combined.

 

[Cippy91]

If you don't think what he did started conversations about the issue he is protesting, you aren't paying attention. His act has probably raised more awareness to the issue than everything else combined.

Not really. All I see is people arguing, there is no actual conversation at all. Once again, it takes action. Kneeling isn't action.

 

[dviss1]

I am asking because I don't know. How do those pictures affect you? How does slavery affect you? I ask because as a Christian, I am not affected by the pursection of Christians that has happened.

I showed you the timeline above. If you don't get it, I'm not gonna blacksplain it to you. Do your own research on how slavery, Jim Crow, mass incarceration, and being tried and executed in the street continues to effect us and how you benefit from it.

Also, it's always hilarious to me when Christians talk about being persecuted and how there's a war on the PAGAN holidays they corrupted. Christians persecuted us! If our slave masters weren't Christian, would we be? They handed us a book that said "slaves be obedient to your masters"... To me it's hilarious to talk about Christians being persecuted when they've done the most persecution and killing ever in the name of the god of Abraham.

 

[dviss1]

I only read the last page of this thread. Smallpox blankets were used as a weapon of war in Roman Empire times, so it's untrue that the method is recent. Knowledge of modern biology isn't necessary to use them.

What I want from you is to stop feeling so proud in American Exceptionalism that you continue to start wars exactly like the Indian Wars, against cultures which don't threaten you, in order to ruthlessly destroy them to replace them with European economic, legal, and value systems. You seem to think it's all in the past, when it's still happening all over the world. Its name is "American foreign policy."

Great post. Jingoism is alive and well. But most US citizens would rather stay asleep and continue pressing the snooze button on these issues.

The cognitive dissonance is amazing.

 

[dviss1]

Four protesting Dolphins joined by a big fifth — owner Steve Ross

 

[blue32]

Great post. Jingoism is alive and well. But most US citizens would rather stay asleep and continue pressing the snooze button on these issues.

The cognitive dissonance is amazing.

If it keeps you triggered my pleasure

 

[dviss1]

If it keeps you triggered my pleasure

What about the Dolphins' owner?

 

[jlprk]

When waiting for a Blazer game to start, does anyone here stand for the National Anthem, while watching on TV at home? If not, why the hell not?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I showed you the timeline above. If you don't get it, I'm not gonna blacksplain it to you. Do your own research on how slavery, Jim Crow, mass incarceration, and being tried and executed in the street continues to effect us and how you benefit from it.

Also, it's always hilarious to me when Christians talk about being persecuted and how there's a war on the PAGAN holidays they corrupted. Christians persecuted us! If our slave masters weren't Christian, would we be? They handed us a book that said "slaves be obedient to your masters"... To me it's hilarious to talk about Christians being persecuted when they've done the most persecution and killing ever in the name of the god of Abraham.

I assume that when he's talking about Christian persecution, he's talking about the way the Roman empire persecuted Christians 1800-2000 years ago. I seriously doubt he's referring to anything recent.

 

[riverman]

When waiting for a Blazer game to start, does anyone here stand for the National Anthem, while watching on TV at home? If not, why the hell not?

folks in wheelchairs have a tough time with that one