OT Anthem Politics

[dviss1]

I figure it's worth a beer just to see if that hair is all you say it is.

Lol. It's gone now. I'm rockin' the buzz cut with no facial hair. It's almost referee season.

 

[dviss1]

I posted this earlier in the thread but great repost.

 

[dviss1]

Sorry I'm a little late to this thread.

I haven't read the entire thread, but as a 9er fan, I thought I'd give my take.

Firstly, NO, I do not support him whatsoever. There were many better and more proper ways to address this issue, and he failed to consider that.

Secondly, he's denounced an entire employment sector by calling them murderers, pigs, and killers, and then tried to go back and sugarcoat what he's said. But I'm not buying it, and neither are a lot of people.

His sugarcoat argument has been "look, I'm calling out the bad cops, the corrupt ones". Well, you see Colin, there's a BIG problem with that: cops don't wear signs that say "hey, I'm a bad cop", or "hey, I'm a good cop". They all wear ONE uniform, and ONE badge, and they all swore the SAME oath.

So yes, you ARE lumping in all of them, by your words and your actions.

I've already turned in the one Kaepernick shirt I had to the Goodwill. Hopefully, it will go to clothe someone less fortunate than the guy who's image and number are on it.

I've been arguing with fellow fans over on Niner Nation SB blog, and it's very divided over there right now, and it's not pretty.

Unfortunately, it seems Kap's little protest is spreading like a cancer. Which is great....just what we need: SJWs taking over our sports with Politics and exaggerated Social Issues. God forbid I have ONE day a week where I get to watch a fucking game without being bombarded by politics or social issues. No no, can't have that, can we?

I fear in the coming years, there's going to be political signs and protest banners in bars and lounges in this country. Or vacations spots. Because God forbid we have a little peace and quiet from it.

It's already happening at the ONE cigar lounge I like to go to when the weather's bad. They have two TVs there that are ALWAYS turned to politics, with blowhards yammering away about who's more corrupt or some shit. What, now I can't smoke a fucking cigar in peace? Has it come to this?

I love this country, but I fear where it's going.

Go Gabbert. Shut these assholes up. Hopefully by this time next year, Colin will be out of the league. I'm so embarrassed that I supported him for so long.

White people to BLM: PROTEST PEACEFULLY!!

Man sits quietly and protests the racist national anthen (look up all the verses) and media blows it up.

White people: That's not the right way to protest.

The problem is not the way we protest, it's the fact that we protest at all.

 

[dviss1]

The entire Seattle Seahawks team will protest the national anthem at opening game

The Seattle Seahawks will become the first NFL team to join Colin Kaepernick’s silent protest during the national anthem this Sunday.

In their home opener against the Miami Dolphins, the Seattle Seahawks have planned a “big surprise” during the national anthem, according to starting linebacker Bobby Wagner. Wagner emphasized that the entire roster will take part in the protest, though he didn’t specify if the team would sit or kneel.

“Anything we want to do, it’s not going to be individual. It’s going to be a team thing. That’s what the world needs to see. The world needs to see people coming together versus being individuals,” Wagner told the Seattle Times.

http://usuncut.com/resistance/entire-seattle-seahawks-roster-will-protest-national-anthem-sunda/

:MARIS61:

Good for them. Even though I don't like them, I'm glad they did this. God forbid someone actually exercise their 1st ammendment right. For those talking about disrespect to the military, they are fighting for the right to stand OR sit. Like it's been said earlier in the thread, people in the concourse hardly acknowledge it. Why don't they stop selling beer and concessions when the anthem plays?

If you want to live in a country where it's a requirement that you stand and salute the flag, move to North Korea.

 

[Natebishop3]

White people to BLM: PROTEST PEACEFULLY!!

Man sits quietly and protests the racist national anthen (look up all the verses) and media blows it up.

White people: That's not the right way to protest.

The problem is not the way we protest, it's the fact that we protest at all.

Yup. It's only white people who are saying these things. Just those damn ignorant white people. Nobody else. And there's no white people who support him either. All white people are against Colin Kaepernick and against BLM. If white people would just quit being the only racist assholes left on the planet, maybe we could finally achieve world peace!

 

[Jade Falcon]

White people to BLM: PROTEST PEACEFULLY!!

Man sits quietly and protests the racist national anthen (look up all the verses) and media blows it up.

White people: That's not the right way to protest.

The problem is not the way we protest, it's the fact that we protest at all.

Well, no surprise YOU feel this way. You have a history of blaming white people for the woes of society. While you're painting murals of dead criminals on brick walls, we're moving forward with our lives.

You're free to join us any time.

 

[blue32]

White people to BLM: PROTEST PEACEFULLY!!

Man sits quietly and protests the racist national anthen (look up all the verses) and media blows it up.

White people: That's not the right way to protest.

The problem is not the way we protest, it's the fact that we protest at all.

LOL you are so predictable.


Oh, say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, thro' the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watch'd, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen thro' the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected, now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner: O, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand,
Between their lov'd homes and the war's desolation;
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!



Typical bullshit by you..... He's singing about fighting and winning slaves (and mercenaries) that were hired to battle by the British. You can interpret that however you like, however we all know what you'll do.

"It doesn't appear that Francis Scott Key ever specified what he did mean by the phrase, nor does its context point to a single, definitive interpretation."

"http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/29/star-spangled-banner-and-slavery/"

 

[blue32]

Yup. It's only white people who are saying these things. Just those damn ignorant white people. Nobody else. And there's no white people who support him either. All white people are against Colin Kaepernick and against BLM. If white people would just quit being the only racist assholes left on the planet, maybe we could finally achieve world peace!

SlyPokerDog is fucking clueless.

 

[Natebishop3]

LOL you are so predictable.


Oh, say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, thro' the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watch'd, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen thro' the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected, now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner: O, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand,
Between their lov'd homes and the war's desolation;
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!



Typical bullshit by you..... He's singing about fighting and winning slaves (and mercenaries) that were hired to battle by the British. You can interpret that however you like, however we all know what you'll do.

"It doesn't appear that Francis Scott Key ever specified what he did mean by the phrase, nor does its context point to a single, definitive interpretation."

"http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/29/star-spangled-banner-and-slavery/"

It probably refers to the British offering freedom to American slaves if they fought against the Colonials. They had mercenaries, American Indians, and African slaves fighting for them.

 

[dviss1]

It probably refers to the British offering freedom to American slaves if they fought against the Colonials. They had mercenaries, American Indians, and African slaves fighting for them.

Exactly. They were offered freedom from their oppressors. Something Francis Scott Key vehemently disagreed with.

 

[Natebishop3]

Exactly. They were offered freedom from their oppressors. Something Francis Scott Key vehemently disagreed with.

And there were slaves fighting for their freedom for the colonials as well. I fail to see how that part is racist though. They were slaves..... fighting for the British..... That's historically what they were.

 

[dviss1]

And there were slaves fighting for their freedom for the colonials as well. I fail to see how that part is racist though. They were slaves..... fighting for the British..... That's historically what they were.

No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave

The British gave the slaves a refuge. Key was basically stating that even though you now have this refuge, it ultimately won't save you. And, under the American flag you'll still either be a slave or be dead. Well I'm good. You won't see me standing for the national anthem at any blazer games. When I referee Varsity games I won't be putting my hand over my heart. In all my years of refereeing I have always placed my hand over my heart while noticing my white counterparts standing with their hands behind the backs. No one was outraged about them.

 

[riverman]

It's time for the melting pot to stop being divisive. This was a real protest that lead to change...notice the crowd

 

[riverman]

 

[riverman]

We are stronger together....that's the whole idea of what modern America should practice...ignorance is ignorance...

 

[Natebishop3]

No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave

The British gave the slaves a refuge. Key was basically stating that even though you now have this refuge, it ultimately won't save you. And, under the American flag you'll still either be a slave or be dead. Well I'm good. You won't see me standing for the national anthem at any blazer games. When I referee Varsity games I won't be putting my hand over my heart. In all my years of refereeing I have always placed my hand over my heart while noticing my white counterparts standing with their hands behind the backs. No one was outraged about them.

So did the Colonials. There were slaves fighting for the our freedom as well.

In April 1775, at Lexington and Concord, blacks responded to the call and fought with Patriot forces. Prince Estabrook was wounded some time during the fighting on 19 April, probably at Lexington.[6] The Battle of Bunker Hill also had African-American soldiers fighting along with white Patriots, such as Peter Salem; Salem Poor, Barzillai Lew, Blaney Grusha,[7] Titus Coburn, Alexander Ames, Cato Howe, and Seymour Burr. Many African Americans, both enslaved and free, wanted to join with the Patriots. They believed that they would achieve freedom or expand their civil rights.[8] In addition to the role of soldier, blacks also served as guides, messengers, and spies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans_in_the_Revolutionary_War

So your own interpretation of some VERY vague words is enough justification for you to call the entire thing racist? How does that quote apply to the "hireling" then? How does that play into your interpretation?

 

[riverman]

I don't care if athletes protest without showing up for patriotic rituals anymore...I would not choose that method personally but that's me. The guy has used his soapbox to do some good after the initial anthem snub...I commend him for that.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't care if athletes protest without showing up for patriotic rituals anymore...I would not choose that method personally but that's me. The guy has used his soapbox to do some good after the initial anthem snub...I commend him for that.

I think race relations are worse now than they have been in decades. I see a lot of people using this as an excuse to talk openly about their racist opinions on white people.

When someone says things like "white people this" and "white people that" they are generalizing about a race that spans many demographics and cultures, and yet they can say whatever they want and lump all white people together. If 51% of white people support Kaepernick, do you get to say that "white people are against our freedom to protest!" Or does it only take one white guy saying racist things to slander all white people?

It seems to me that these opinions have been boiling under the surface for a long time, and now we're finally seeing them because it's popular to bash on white people.

 

[dviss1]

I think race relations are worse now than they have been in decades. I see a lot of people using this as an excuse to talk openly about their racist opinions on white people.

When someone says things like "white people this" and "white people that" they are generalizing about a race that spans many demographics and cultures, and yet they can say whatever they want and lump all white people together. If 51% of white people support Kaepernick, do you get to say that "white people are against our freedom to protest!" Or does it only take one white guy saying racist things to slander all white people?

It seems to me that these opinions have been boiling under the surface for a long time, and now we're finally seeing them because it's popular to bash on white people.

Hilarious...

 

[Natebishop3]

Hilarious...

I would love to see some actual sources to support your opinion on the star spangled banner.

 

[santeesioux]

I haven't been around for that long, but race relations are definitely as bad as I've seen it since maybe the OJ stuff when I was like 4 years old. Everything is politicized these days and it's just making everything worse, spurred on by losers like fake black guy Shaun King.

 

[dviss1]

I would love to see some actual sources to support your opinion on the star spangled banner.

NY Times:
Is the National Anthem Racist? Beyond the Debate Over Colin Kaepernick

LA Times:
How 'The Star-Spangled Banner,' racist or not, became our national anthem.

Snopes doesn't say false:
The Star-Spangled Banner' and Slavery

"In fairness, it has also been argued that Key may have intended the phrase as a reference to the British Navy's practice of impressment (kidnapping sailors and forcing them to fight in defense of the crown), or as a semi-metaphorical slap at the British invading force as a whole (which included a large number of mercenaries), though the latter line of thinking suggests an even stronger alternative theory — namely, that the word "hirelings" refers literally to mercenaries, and "slaves" refers literally to slaves. It doesn't appear that Francis Scott Key ever specified what he did mean by the phrase, nor does its context point to a single, definitive interpretation."

You can interpret this however you want. Others may interpret it differently. You have to know what Key stood for and what happened to him in his life. I'll maintain my opinion.

The National Anthem Is A Celebration Of Slavery.

Star-Spangled Bigotry: The Hidden Racist History of the National Anthem

Next time do your own research. You have access to the same search engines as I. You just have to care enough to look.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

i think the star spangled banner should be replaced with a rap song about doing coke and degrading women.

 

[dviss1]

I haven't been around for that long, but race relations are definitely as bad as I've seen it since maybe the OJ stuff when I was like 4 years old. Everything is politicized these days and it's just making everything worse, spurred on by losers like fake black guy Shaun King.

WTF does "fake black guy" mean? Do you know anything about his story? He's not Rachel whatever the fuck her name is. His family had to HIDE his past. Ask yourself why.

 

[riverman]

Beethoven was an asshole according to history, so was Miles Davis...Miles had a reputation of over the top mistreatment of white musicians often...he ruined Mike Sterns favorite guitar just to fuck with him....wrote great music, so did Beethoven....

 

[dviss1]

i think the star spangled banner should be replaced with a rap song about doing coke and degrading women.

Because the 6 companies (BET is owned by Viacom) that control all of our media has duped you into believing that's what Hip Hop is all about?

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Because the 6 companies (BET is owned by Viacom) that control all of our media has duped you into believing that's what Hip Hop is all about?

sir, i like good rap, im just being a cock while i cruise down the road in my six fo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

WTF does "fake black guy" mean? Do you know anything about his story? He's not Rachel whatever the fuck her name is. His family had to HIDE his past. Ask yourself why.

Because his mom cheated on her husband? That is what I gathered from snopes but how would I know the truth?

 

[Natebishop3]

Did you even read the links that you provided?

NY Times:
Is the National Anthem Racist? Beyond the Debate Over Colin Kaepernick

From this article -

"Why do you think those who call the song racist are wrong?

The social context of the song comes from the age of slavery, but the song itself isn’t about slavery, and it doesn’t treat whites differently from blacks. The reference to slaves is about the use, and in some sense the manipulation, of black Americans to fight for the British, with the promise of freedom. The American forces included African-Americans as well as whites. The term “freemen,” whose heroism is celebrated in the fourth stanza, would have encompassed both."

LA Times:
How 'The Star-Spangled Banner,' racist or not, became our national anthem.

From this article -

"The line is believed to refer to black slaves who were promised freedom if they fought on the side of the British during the War of 1812. "

So you support the slaves who fought for the British? How about the slaves that fought for the Americans?

Snopes doesn't say false:
The Star-Spangled Banner' and Slavery

"In fairness, it has also been argued that Key may have intended the phrase as a reference to the British Navy's practice of impressment (kidnapping sailors and forcing them to fight in defense of the crown), or as a semi-metaphorical slap at the British invading force as a whole (which included a large number of mercenaries), though the latter line of thinking suggests an even stronger alternative theory — namely, that the word "hirelings" refers literally to mercenaries, and "slaves" refers literally to slaves. It doesn't appear that Francis Scott Key ever specified what he did mean by the phrase, nor does its context point to a single, definitive interpretation."

You can interpret this however you want. Others may interpret it differently. You have to know what Key stood for and what happened to him in his life. I'll maintain my opinion.

The National Anthem Is A Celebration Of Slavery.

Star-Spangled Bigotry: The Hidden Racist History of the National Anthem

Next time do your own research. You have access to the same search engines as I. You just have to care enough to look.

It's your claim. The burden of proof is on you. Regardless, that doesn't make it racist. They were slaves, that's what they were, and they were fighting for the British. They were fighting with the enemy of this country. There were slaves fighting on the side of the US as well. So from what I can tell, he's saying that there will be nowhere to run or hide for the mercenaries or the slaves fighting against the Americans. It strikes me as contempt for the people fighting against us, whether they were British troops, mercenaries, or free slaves.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The Bangles were an all white female rock group.

Spangle rhymes with Bangle.

I think you get my point.