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EL PRESIDENTE said:
I want the maximum, future flexibility. I understand the vaccines may wear off after some time, but are they totally gone out of your system then?
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It's about teaching your immune system to react quicker to when you get a virus. It's like the flu vaccine, many times the flu mutates so the flu vaccine isn't AS effective but it is still better than not having any vaccine in terms of length and severity of the illness if you do get the flu.

But to address your question, if the Moderna or Pfizer variant booster won't work with the J&J shot you will then just have to get two Moderna/Pfizer shots but that is still better than refusing to get the J&J shot. The more people getting any vaccine including the J&J reduces the possible need for any variant booster shots.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
I asked 3-4 doctors, 2 PCPs and a Cardiologist and I got better answers here.
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Fair enough. Personally, I wouldn't go mix and match on vaccines unless I absolutely had to. The different companies conduct research based on their formulations alone. J&J is reportedly studying what a booster shot does and, I think I read, is also looking at a new formulation to address variants. If their studies come back recommending a booster to their original vaccine, that's what I'd do. Your mileage may vary.
 
The answer is to take whatever is available now because they all work good. When we need a booster, and we will based on what I understand on how the virus is mutating, then you take that booster. The mrna vaccines are revolutionary tech and now that it's been tested then booster tweaks for variants will be no problem at all.
 
HailBlazers said:
A healthy person is more likely to die in a car accident on the way than Covid.
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And you're more likely to get struck by lightening then you are winning the grand prize in Megabucks lottery drawing.

But I'm not sure the data is there to support your claim.

Over 500,000 covid deaths in a year.

38,000 die from car crashes.

What we don't know yet is if covid has had a direct effect on car crashes during the past year. Which seems likely since so many people were staying home more last year and places like bars were closed in most of the country.
 
crandc said:
One woman died after vaccine does not prove she died from vaccine.

520,000 dead Americans and counting.

I truly cannot understand why people are so dedicated to vaccine denial. You do know Trump secretly got vaccinated, don't you?
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Wait, huh?

So it doesn't prove it? Can you prove these 520,000 were all direct covid deaths?

some double standards going on around here again. When it was brought up last year that many of the deaths being called covid related were very suspect, it was dismissed...

Im not saying I know what the truth is, but it cant be both ways. If the vaccine isnt a proven death, then the covid death count has not been proven either.

Its not about vaccine denial, Its about what people say is the truth, being suspect.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
And you're more likely to get struck by lightening then you are winning the grand prize in Megabucks lottery drawing.

But I'm not sure the data is there to support your claim.

Over 500,000 covid deaths in a year.

38,000 die from car crashes.

What we don't know yet is if covid has had a direct effect on car crashes during the past year. Which seems likely since so many people were staying home more last year and places like bars were closed in most of the country.
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Can you prove those 500K are all covid deaths?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Trump was the leader of the country and had full access to the top medical and scientific experts in the world and often chose to ignore them.
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And people got up in arms about it, even though they know they shouldnt listen to him. Seems silly to me.
 
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Orion Bailey said:
And people got up in arms about it, even though they know they should listen to him. Seems silly to me.
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I know better to take advice from Trump, that doesn't mean it isn't harmful if he gives bad or false advice, and it leads to worse outcomes.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Wait, huh?

So it doesn't prove it? Can you prove these 520,000 were all direct covid deaths?

some double standards going on around here again. When it was brought up last year that many of the deaths being called covid related were very suspect, it was dismissed...

Im not saying I know what the truth is, but it cant be both ways. If the vaccine isnt a proven death, then the covid death count has not been proven either.

Its not about vaccine denial, Its about what people say is the truth, being suspect.
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Last I heard there average yearly death count in the United States was about 1 million more over the previous year, directly or indirectly covid seems to be the only factor that could explain this. When it's all said and done, when the final numbers are tabulated, when the dead people are dug out from NY nursing homes, the final death numbers are going to be higher vs lower than the 500,000 tally.
 
jonnyboy said:
It should be up to the airlines or venues hosting the events or services.
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Yes because people do such a great job of currently listening to the rules businesses put in place.
 
HailBlazers said:
A healthy person is more likely to die in a car accident on the way than Covid.
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I don’t know why people feel so inclined to demand others get this vaccine. If you are at risk then get it by all means. If you are not high risk and more worried about potential side effects then you shouldn’t have to get it, and you shouldn’t have rights and/or privileges taken because of it. If you feel you are protected by taking the vaccine then there is no reason to be screaming and demanding punishment for those who don’t.
 
Orion Bailey said:
but people should know better right?
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They should. But some don't. And so people died because they drank bleach, or whatever. And people died because wearing masks was vilified and mocked.
 
jonnyboy said:
I don’t know why people feel so inclined to demand others get this vaccine. If you are at risk then get it by all means. If you are not high risk and more worried about potential side effects then you shouldn’t have to get it, and you shouldn’t have rights and/or privileges taken because of it. If you feel you are protected by taking the vaccine then there is no reason to be screaming and demanding punishment for those who don’t.
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Who has screamed at you and demanded you take the vaccine? From the video clips I've seen over the last year I've seen the most "screaming" coming from the people demanding to not be forced to wear a fucking mask.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Last I heard there average yearly death count in the United States was about 1 million more over the previous year, directly or indirectly covid seems to be the only factor that could explain this. When it's all said and done, when the final numbers are tabulated, when the dead people are dug out from NY nursing homes, the final death numbers are going to be higher vs lower than the 500,000 tally.
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because the death count is higher is zero evidence it was covid.

Guy dies in car accident. tested covid positive during autopsy.
Covid death....
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Who has screamed at you and demanded you take the vaccine? From the video clips I've seen over the last year I've seen the most "screaming" coming from the people demanding to not be forced to wear a fucking mask.
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not screaming but lets not play games bro.
You know full well most people here have been very down on anyone who shows hesitation or concern over getting a vaccine.
Lets keep it real. ;)
 
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