OT Anti-Vaxxers

[barfo]

STOP BEING A NAZI.

WEAR THE FUCKING MASK OR YOU CAN'T BE OUT IN PUBLIC
TAKE THIS SHOT THAT ISN'T FDA APPROVED OR WE WILL RESTRICT YOUR TRAVEL
DON'T SEE YOUR FAMILY FOR THE GREATER GOOD
DON'T TOUCH ANYONE
BEND OVER FOR THE ANAL SWAB, SON

ALSO:
WEAR A SEAT BELT
BRUSH YOUR TEETH
LOOK BOTH WAYS BEFORE CROSSING THE STREET
DON'T TOUCH HOT STOVES
DON'T MURDER PEOPLE
DON'T CHEAT ON YOUR TAXES
SO MANY RULES I CAN'T BREATHE

BARFO

 

[jlprk]

I believe that everyone should have to wear a mask, because of their faces, but no pants.

 

[jlprk]

Your choice, but not both. There could be 2 political parties, the Anti-Masks and the Anti-Pants. This should be morally compulsory.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Your choice, but not both. There could be 2 political parties, the Anti-Masks and the Anti-Pants. This should be morally compulsory.

We should all wear anti-bacterial/anti-viral silver suits.

 

[HailBlazers]

We should all wear anti-bacterial/anti-viral silver suits.

And stop breathing.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

And stop breathing.

Also, you need to wear a mask while you are drinking water.

Wear a mask outside, even if there's no one within 500 feet of you.

 

[jonnyboy]

The people who want or think they might need the vaccine should definitely go get it and the people who don’t want it should just go ahead and not get it.

Remember when that was a thing?

 

[crandc]

The people who want or think they might need the vaccine should definitely go get it and the people who don’t want it should just go ahead and not get it.

Remember when that was a thing?

I remember when measles was a thing. Polio was a thing. Smallpox was a thing.

If you want to live alone on a desert island, great. If you want to live among others, it's called civilization. It includes collective responsibility. I mean, why in holy hell do I have to actually ask someone to please not infect another person with a disease that has killed 520,000 Americans? What are you sacrificing? A little time and a sore arm for a couple of days?

 

[Lanny]

It’s just like polio. Got it. There’s a lot one can learn in these threads.

Well, you got it wrong.
If I said it was just like polio then I was dead wrong and have no idea how I could have made such a colossal mistake.
I intended to say that they had similarities and I thought I described some of the more salient similarities. My bad.

 

[HailBlazers]

I remember when measles was a thing. Polio was a thing. Smallpox was a thing.

Apples vs Oranges. Those took years to develop and test.

Denmark, Norway, Italy temporarily suspend use of AstraZeneca vaccine

Utah woman, 39, dies 4 days after 2nd dose of COVID-19 vaccine; autopsy ordered

 

[crandc]

One woman died after vaccine does not prove she died from vaccine.

520,000 dead Americans and counting.

I truly cannot understand why people are so dedicated to vaccine denial. You do know Trump secretly got vaccinated, don't you?

 

[donkiez]

Apples vs Oranges. Those took years to develop and test.

Denmark, Norway, Italy temporarily suspend use of AstraZeneca vaccine

Utah woman, 39, dies 4 days after 2nd dose of COVID-19 vaccine; autopsy ordered

Even if she did die from the vaccine, I will take my chances with the vaccine over getting covid. Play the odds always.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

All things being equal, what is the preferred Vaccine?

J&J is seemingly less effective, but only one shot and quicker protection.

What about between Moderna and Pfizer.

 

[riverman]

All things being equal, what is the preferred Vaccine?

J&J is seemingly less effective, but only one shot and quicker protection.

What about between Moderna and Pfizer.

I got the Moderna.....because I'm a Moderna kinda guy! I've heard both Moderna and Pfizer are pretty much the same...my wife says she's read that Moderna is the best option

 

[e_blazer]

Apples vs Oranges. Those took years to develop and test.

Denmark, Norway, Italy temporarily suspend use of AstraZeneca vaccine

Utah woman, 39, dies 4 days after 2nd dose of COVID-19 vaccine; autopsy ordered

From the Salt Lake Tribune article that discussed the Utah woman and 3 others who were vaccinated and later died:

The state also has looked into each of the four January and February deaths of Utahns reported to the federal database, and “it has not been determined that the vaccine played a role in any of those deaths,” a spokesman for the Utah Department of Health said in Tuesday.

Bad outcomes after any vaccine — anything from a flu shot to the COVID-19 vaccine — can be reported to the CDC, said state health department spokesperson Tom Hudachko. The CDC compiles that information into a database called VAERS, for Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.

VAERS is not a perfect tool, said Dr. Erik Christensen, the state’s medical examiner.

“Anybody can report something — family, next of kin, doctors. Anybody can get in there and make a report of any kind of adverse reaction that they have,” Christensen said. “It’s not a scientifically assessed adjudicator, or in any other way moderated. … It’s, ‘I think this happened, so I tell you about it.’”

The database is useful, Christensen said, for researchers to find cases and follow up to determine whether they’re valid.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/03/10/no-link-between-covid/

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I got the Moderna.....because I'm a Moderna kinda guy! I've heard both Moderna and Pfizer are pretty much the same...my wife says she's read that Moderna is the best option

I sent a text to my MD friends, and they are evasive on which is the best. They just say "take the first one you can get".

I want the real answer, they said CDC says they are "equally effective" which is a load of shit, since there's no way they could be the same.

 

[e_blazer]

All things being equal, what is the preferred Vaccine?

J&J is seemingly less effective, but only one shot and quicker protection.

What about between Moderna and Pfizer.

The answer seems to be that the best vaccine is the one you can get. All of them stopped serious illness and death virtually 100% of the time. Moderna and Pfizer had almost identical efficacy rates of around 95%, but were tested before the variants were a thing. J & J tested its vaccine in samples that included the South African variant. It had around a 72% efficacy rating in the US study. The efficacy rating is simply looking at the number of people in the study who developed any level of COVID-19 illness and determining what percentage of that number received the vaccine vs the placebo. It doesn't assess degree of illness. The basic truth seems to be get yourself vaccinated and you don't have to worry about getting anything worse than cold symptoms if you do get COVID-19.

 

[HailBlazers]

Even if she did die from the vaccine, I will take my chances with the vaccine over getting covid. Play the odds always.

Your body, your choice.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The answer seems to be that the best vaccine is the one you can get. All of them stopped serious illness and death virtually 100% of the time. Moderna and Pfizer had almost identical efficacy rates of around 95%, but were tested before the variants were a thing. J & J tested its vaccine in samples that included the South African variant. It had around a 72% efficacy rating in the US study. The efficacy rating is simply looking at the number of people in the study who developed any level of COVID-19 illness and determining what percentage of that number received the vaccine vs the placebo. It doesn't assess degree of illness. The basic truth seems to be get yourself vaccinated and you don't have to worry about getting anything worse than cold symptoms if you do get COVID-19.

It still doesn't answer the question, though. One HAS to be better than the others, all things being equal, and I'd like to know which one (and I'm sure the public will as well). This whole "wishy washy" they are all good isn't the scientific answer I'm looking for. They need to rank them, if they want the public to have all the best available information to make an informed decision.

I'm leaning towards J&J, even though it has less effectiveness, it may deal with the variants, its only one shot, and its probably more available.

 

[donkiez]

Your body, your choice.

True story. Public health is a real thing though, there are entire degree programs dedicated to it, and people dedicate their entire lives to studying it. So there's that.

 

[donkiez]

I sent a text to my MD friends, and they are evasive on which is the best. They just say "take the first one you can get".

I want the real answer, they said CDC says they are "equally effective" which is a load of shit, since there's no way they could be the same.

J&j is the best because it's only one shot. The logistics of two shots makes things a lot more difficult. They don't want to promote one vaccine over another though because they don't want people to try and vaccine shop, when are this point they are all so good it doesn't matter. Moderna is technically the best by the numbers from what I understand.

 

[e_blazer]

It still doesn't answer the question, though. One HAS to be better than the others, all things being equal, and I'd like to know which one (and I'm sure the public will as well). This whole "wishy washy" they are all good isn't the scientific answer I'm looking for. They need to rank them, if they want the public to have all the best available information to make an informed decision.

I'm leaning towards J&J, even though it has less effectiveness, it may deal with the variants, its only one shot, and its probably more available.

Sure, one is probably better than the others, but as far as I can see there isn't any scientific study yet to determine the answer you're looking for. If I was in your age group, I'd get the one-and-done J&J. The way I see it, it's almost certain that all of them are going to put out new versions adjusted to deal with known variants in a few months anyway. There's probably a needle with your name on it later no matter which one you choose now.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

All things being equal, what is the preferred Vaccine?

J&J is seemingly less effective, but only one shot and quicker protection.

What about between Moderna and Pfizer.

I've heard that the Pfizer and Moderna are 1a & 1b in terms of effectiveness. The J&J not as good but still good.

But here's the deal, ALL THREE VACCINES REDUCE THE CHANCES OF ENDING UP IN THE ICU ON A VENTALATOR AND/OR DEATH TO ALMOST ZERO!

Also, this "argument" that the vaccine was developed in a year vs three years is a nothing burger. Look at the technology and resources available now in developing this vaccine compared to others. Completely different.

Look at something like architecture, The original World Trade Center took 5 years to draft the plans for. The new one took 1 year. This was because of CAD and engineering and safety being programed into CAD. According to the 3 year vaccine argument the 5 year WTC plans should be a safer building than the 1 year new WTC plans because they took longer to design.

The advancements in vaccine development for Covid will have huge benefits in other current illnesses and vaccines like the flu and for future pandemics that will happen.

@jonnyboy you getting the vaccine reduces the chance of you spreading covid to others. We actually have the chance to end the spread of covid worldwide. Also the vaccine will help to stop the variants and continuing mutations the vaccine is having.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Your body, your choice.

Sure but the venn diagram of people who refuse the vaccine and refuse to wear masks and socially distances seems to be a circle.

Your refusal to get the vaccine means you need to follow the mask wearing guidelines.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I've heard that the Pfizer and Moderna are 1a & 1b in terms of effectiveness. The J&J not as good but still good.

But here's the deal, ALL THREE VACCINES REDUCE THE CHANCES OF ENDING UP IN THE ICU ON A VENTALATOR AND/OR DEATH TO ALMOST ZERO!

Also, this "argument" that the vaccine was developed in a year vs three years is a nothing burger. Look at the technology and resources available now in developing this vaccine compared to others. Completely different.

Look at something like architecture, The original World Trade Center took 5 years to draft the plans for. The new one took 1 year. This was because of CAD and engineering and safety being programed into CAD. According to the 3 year vaccine argument the 5 year WTC plans should be a safer building than the 1 year new WTC plans because they took longer to design.

The advancements in vaccine development for Covid will have huge benefits in other current illnesses and vaccines like the flu and for future pandemics that will happen.

@jonnyboy you getting the vaccine reduces the chance of you spreading covid to others. We actually have the chance to end the spread of covid worldwide. Also the vaccine will help to stop the variants and continuing mutations the vaccine is having.

The follow up question is:

Can you mix the vaccine doses later on or once you go with one, do you have to continue taking the boosters of the same vaccine ad infinitum?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The follow up question is:

Can you mix the vaccine doses later on or once you go with one, do you have to continue taking the boosters of the same vaccine ad infinitum?

According to an interview with Fauci he was asked this and said if you get the Moderna for the first shot and there is only the Pfizer available for the 2nd you should go ahead with the 2nd shot. It's better than the not getting the 2nd shot or delaying getting the 2nd shot until the same vaccine of the first one you get is available.

And this is the important part, if there are future booster shots for the variants you can get a Moderna booster if you had Pfizer shot originally and vice versa.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

According to an interview with Fauci he was asked this and said if you get the Moderna for the first shot and there is only the Pfizer available for the 2nd you should go ahead with the 2nd shot. It's better than the not getting the 2nd shot or delaying getting the 2nd shot until the same vaccine of the first one you get is available.

And this is the important part, if there are future booster shots for the variants you can get a Moderna booster if you had Pfizer shot originally and vice versa.

But can you get a J&J booster with Moderna/Pfizer and vice versa? They both have different mechanisms I believe.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

But can you get a J&J booster with Moderna/Pfizer and vice versa? They both have different mechanisms I believe.

That I have not heard but I am sure it will be researched for.

 

[donkiez]

Sure but the venn diagram of people who refuse the vaccine and refuse to wear masks and socially distances seems to be a circle.

Your refusal to get the vaccine means you need to follow the mask wearing guidelines.

Travel, concerts, blazer games ect should all require vaccinations to attend also.

 

[donkiez]

But can you get a J&J booster with Moderna/Pfizer and vice versa? They both have different mechanisms I believe.

I don't think it hurts, but I don't think they do anything to help each other. There's no real data on this yet