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Right but when the excuse starts to become this whole gray area thing, that just means I could start claiming this gray area just to throw shots and be a smart ass. Personally insulting without directly personally insulting but any adult and logical thinking person know what these people who use this gray area actually are trying to do and get across. It’s a way to start shit and not be held accountable for it. Difference between a gray area and obviously somebody trying to start shit or be an asshole.

You don't think we see that? The other mods and I have many conversations about this. It gives us fucking headaches. Its a pain in the ass. We look at posts, we look at the rules, we go by the rules. We don't want to be sticklers. We want people to express their opinions. We also want them to act like fucking adults.
 
If it was me, I wouldn’t want politics on here at all. It just causes division and conversations that go no where. Unproductive. I know that’s not possible. I don’t care for pro trump shit or anti trump shit. It just seems when somebody has an opinion that differs from the majority of antifa Oregon USA then they get the gray area treatment. And when I say antifa Oregon I’m not saying anybody here supports that, it’s just a direct reflection on how left the city is which then reflects on the forum considering most are either from here or grew up here meanwhile I can get shitted on for being from Damascus. Barfo really likes to point this one out. It’s the gray area baiting right there. People are smart asses and they bait and just because I respond straight forward back or if somebody else does, they are the ones that get punished meanwhile the gray area smart ass just gets away with it time and time again. I don’t think dviss saying “I own real estate in your head” is very productive. Funny he says that while calling others out for baiting. I’m not saying dviss has personally insulted him today by saying that but it’s definitely a smart ass gray area bullshit tactic that goes on here.

Did anybody care some months back when dviss implied by me being a gun owner he felt unsafe to any blazer event I would go to involving him because he feared for his life? He has made that same implication with somebody else in the forum, I forget but it wasn’t long ago. How is that okay? If he wants to attack a post, great, I have done it many times myself but the whole “white people this and white people that”. I get it, very far left city but come the fuck on, it’s divisive and unnecessary. I can’t recall threads because I haven’t posted a lot here in the last couple months but there are definitely times where dviss freaks out on people and tows that line but apparently that’s okay. I can bait people and be a little smart ass as long as I’m just on that line. That’s some lame shit. Good thing I was raised differently. You have a problem, you say it directly. However a lot of members on the forum like to tow the line and imply things. Shit that I was insulted by. You know how many times somebody has implied I was racist on this forum because I had a different opinion? That’s okay though to you guys even though there is no proof to it, they can just repeat it so much that other forum members see it and just assume I’m some racist. “Oh he’s just from Damascus, tehehehe”

Shits middle school. Be adults. Have conversations and learn that not everybody who has a different opinion than you isn’t a racist or “alt right” or even fucking right wing. That goes for the whole OT section.

Simple solution. Don't read the political threads then. You don't get to control what is and isn't discussed in this forum cippy. It's like someone that hates steak but continually goes to a steak restaurant and ordering steak.
 
Simple solution. Don't read the political threads then. You don't get to control what is and isn't discussed in this forum cippy. It's like someone that hates steak but continually goes to a steak restaurant and ordering steak.
Who said I wanted to control what wasn’t talked about? I don’t give a shit what is talked about, but given my history with you, I know that you are one of the gray area types that always has an issue with me. Have fun with that.
 
You don't think we see that? The other mods and I have many conversations about this. It gives us fucking headaches. Its a pain in the ass. We look at posts, we look at the rules, we go by the rules. We don't want to be sticklers. We want people to express their opinions. We also want them to act like fucking adults.
No I don’t think you do, if you did you would act faster as opposed to sit and say “dviss isn’t doing anything wrong”. To be honest I don’t even know who was in charge of giving you mod because you seem to be the most bias going into your position. You sit and like people’s comments against others. Yeah not bias at all. Instead of doing something as mod, you like the comments of your “friends” even when they are doing that childish gray area shit. You can’t convince me otherwise. I have these conversations with posters behind the scenes as well. They don’t speak up. I do. I always have. I’m not the only one with these thoughts. But hey it is what it is. There is a reason it has become an echo chamber. Nobody likes dealing with the bullshit that never gets fixed so people like me stopped posting in the OT. As I like to call it, the circle jerk of the whole forum. That’s all it is. No actual conversation is taking place.
 
Right but when the excuse starts to become this whole gray area thing, that just means I could start claiming this gray area just to throw shots and be a smart ass. Personally insulting without directly personally insulting but any adult and logical thinking person know what these people who use this gray area actually are trying to do and get across. It’s a way to start shit and not be held accountable for it. Difference between a gray area and obviously somebody trying to start shit or be an asshole.

You don't think we see that? The other mods and I have many conversations about this. It gives us fucking headaches. Its a pain in the ass. We look at posts, we look at the rules, we go by the rules. We don't want to be sticklers. We want people to express their opinions. We also want them to act like fucking adults.

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Just an example of a conversation that happens behind the scenes. All of the mods try to be as fair as possible and when they aren't sure they reach out to the biggest asshole in the forum (psst...that's me.)

It will never be perfect but that isn't because of a lack of trying.

One of the biggest things Denny and Ed O impressed upon me when I joined the staff was when it comes to moderating less is best.

That's why I'm having this discussion with you and trying to explain things.

We try to keep it simple, no personal insults. I look at adding additional rules like no grey areas or no baiting as being very difficult to interpret and enforce fairly.

That doesn't mean that we won't look at adding more rules or refining the personal insult rule but it needs to be very black and white.

As I've said before, if I read something along the lines of, "you are a <insert something mean or insulting here> that is a personal insult and I can explain that to others on staff. That's why I'm resistant to label something like, "I'm in your head" as being a personal insult. Lot's of people can be "in your head" that doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad thing. Loved ones can be in your head.

Anyway, I appreciate these conversations and how the forum is moderated. I do think and care about your concerns and complaints.

To borrow from a certain Blazer,

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(and no, I'm not calling you Jennifer or a girl unless you would like to be called Jennifer or a girl.)
 
Who said I wanted to control what wasn’t talked about? I don’t give a shit what is talked about, but given my history with you, I know that you are one of the gray area types that always has an issue with me. Have fun with that.

"If it was me, I wouldn’t want politics on here at all."

Sure reads like a guy that wants to control what is discussed. As for the rest of your whining, those who live in glass houses should avoid throwing rocks as you are one of the more confrontational posters I have seen in this forum and typically likes to play the victim when others lay it out for you. It seems you are the one that has a lot of issues with others so don't try and turn this on me as you seldom take responsibility for your own actions.
 
No I don’t think you do, if you did you would act faster as opposed to sit and say “dviss isn’t doing anything wrong”. To be honest I don’t even know who was in charge of giving you mod because you seem to be the most bias going into your position. You sit and like people’s comments against others. Yeah not bias at all. Instead of doing something as mod, you like the comments of your “friends” even when they are doing that childish gray area shit. You can’t convince me otherwise. I have these conversations with posters behind the scenes as well. They don’t speak up. I do. I always have. I’m not the only one with these thoughts. But hey it is what it is. There is a reason it has become an echo chamber. Nobody likes dealing with the bullshit that never gets fixed so people like me stopped posting in the OT. As I like to call it, the circle jerk of the whole forum. That’s all it is. No actual conversation is taking place.

You can be staff and still have personal opinions. You mean you're saying if you were a mod you would no longer have any opinions on subjects? Or you couldn't edit or delete a personal insult if you were friends with the person who wrote it and even if you agreed with the rest of their post? I think you could do that.

And I made a thread in the main forum where people voted on whether or not to make Chris a mod.
 
how is this the first time I'm seeing that tweet?!
CJ has has some very well thought out, brilliant tweets, but that one is up and away the best. If he doesn't have those words tattooed on himself somewhere, I'll do it.
 
You know I'm going to choose to respond because @Cippy91 seems to be in a mood which you can have a discussion with him right now.

Before you decided to group me in with the in your words... 'Circle jerk posters who constantly attack you for no reason'.(which is bullshit btw, as when you said that to @BonesJones that was the first time I spoke to you in weeks. As I was avoiding the OT section @ the time.)
I never had you on ignore, never really had an issue with your posts outside of your delivery.(I have issues with @dviss1 delivery at times as well.)
There are better ways to deliver your post than what every poster decides to do at times.

I even told you Cippy a long, long time ago(around the time you first joined) that you needed to learn how to play the game on this forum.
You agreed with me, but said you didn't think you'd be able to.
My thought which I never posted was. 'Well if you don't learn how to play a game on this forum you're going to struggle here. Not to mention it's zero different than the games society forces adults to play in the real world.'

This whole discussion comes back to you needing to learn how to play the game still.
The rules of this forum are very simple. I can count on one hand how many times a moderator has modded my posts.
Posters who choose to push the boundaries, choose to accept the possibility their posts may have a moderator take action against their post.



As far as when @dviss1 said the thing about not wanting to attend a forum event with you due to gun ownership.
He prolly shouldn't have said that, and just kept it to himself. But that's not a personal insult so....
But iirc, you weren't innocent in that discussion @Cippy91
 
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Just an example of a conversation that happens behind the scenes. All of the mods try to be as fair as possible and when they aren't sure they reach out to the biggest asshole in the forum (psst...that's me.)

It will never be perfect but that isn't because of a lack of trying.

One of the biggest things Denny and Ed O impressed upon me when I joined the staff was when it comes to moderating less is best.

That's why I'm having this discussion with you and trying to explain things.

We try to keep it simple, no personal insults. I look at adding additional rules like no grey areas or no baiting as being very difficult to interpret and enforce fairly.

That doesn't mean that we won't look at adding more rules or refining the personal insult rule but it needs to be very black and white.

As I've said before, if I read something along the lines of, "you are a <insert something mean or insulting here> that is a personal insult and I can explain that to others on staff. That's why I'm resistant to label something like, "I'm in your head" as being a personal insult. Lot's of people can be "in your head" that doesn't mean it's necessarily a bad thing. Loved ones can be in your head.

Anyway, I appreciate these conversations and how the forum is moderated. I do think and care about your concerns and complaints.

To borrow from a certain Blazer,

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(and no, I'm not calling you Jennifer or a girl unless you would like to be called Jennifer or a girl.)
Right but see how the whole concern in the message is how if dviss will think ignore it’s racist. As if it all revolves around his feelings. Don’t know about you but I haven’t encountered a racist person on this forum for how ever many years I have been here. Yet dviss claims there are racists here and others have. I haven’t seen it. So I don’t know. I don’t appreciate the assumptions in the past of me being racist. No mod defended that despite there being zero evidence of it. Or anytime me being from Damascus was used as some form of insult to me. Time after time of me offering an opinion and the same people jumping all over honestly led to me saying fuck the OT section. Sometimes I’m just over the whole forum. I haven’t been posting in the game sections a whole lot though I watch every game. Makes people feel unwelcome and like the years I have been here just doesn’t matter because well I’m just viewed unfairly by the same people on the forum so why the fuck should I care to sit and put time into it?

Side note, honestly if you want a faster way of communicating open up a mod discord. Always open. Quick. All the mods can chat in one area as opposed to the clunky and outdated messaging system here and I’m not trying to shit on it but discoed is way faster and easier.
 
You can be staff and still have personal opinions. You mean you're saying if you were a mod you would no longer have any opinions on subjects? Or you couldn't edit or delete a personal insult if you were friends with the person who wrote it and even if you agreed with the rest of their post? I think you could do that.

And I made a thread in the main forum where people voted on whether or not to make Chris a mod.

And it was nearly unanimous
 
"If it was me, I wouldn’t want politics on here at all."

Sure reads like a guy that wants to control what is discussed. As for the rest of your whining, those who live in glass houses should avoid throwing rocks as you are one of the more confrontational posters I have seen in this forum and typically likes to play the victim when others lay it out for you. It seems you are the one that has a lot of issues with others so don't try and turn this on me as you seldom take responsibility for your own actions.
Oh the typical “you like to play victim” line. Lol okay. Yeah that’s me. I just want to control what’s being discussed like my idol Donald trump. Because you know, I live in Damascus in my right wing bubble. YEE HAW!!!

Is that what you wanted? God damn the people in this section...
 
You can be staff and still have personal opinions. You mean you're saying if you were a mod you would no longer have any opinions on subjects? Or you couldn't edit or delete a personal insult if you were friends with the person who wrote it and even if you agreed with the rest of their post? I think you could do that.

And I made a thread in the main forum where people voted on whether or not to make Chris a mod.
I would have opinions certainly, but when you’re a mod you kind of have a duty to look at shit more evenly. So even if you wanted to go off in one way, you kinda gotta play mediator because of you don’t, it sets a precedent and gives the people of the forum a certain feel that a bias exists. You know, like what’s happening now.
 
CJ has has some very well thought out, brilliant tweets, but that one is up and away the best. If he doesn't have those words tattooed on himself somewhere, I'll do it.

CJ is one of the smartest and well spoken members of the team, but I also like that he has a little edginess to him as well.
 
You know I'm going to choose to respond because @Cippy91 seems to be in a mood which you can have a discussion with him right now.

Before you decided to group me in with the in your words... 'Circle jerk posters who constantly attack you for no reason'.(which is bullshit btw, as when you said that to @BonesJones that was the first time I spoke to you in weeks. As I was avoiding the OT section @ the time.)
I never had you on ignore, never really had an issue with your posts outside of your delivery.(I have issues with @dviss1 delivery at times as well.)
There are better ways to deliver your post than what every poster decides to do at times.

I even told you Cippy a long, long time ago(around the time you first joined) that you needed to learn how to play the game on this forum.
You agreed with me, but said you didn't think you'd be able to.
My thought which I never posted was. 'Well if you don't learn how to play a game on this forum you're going to struggle here. Not to mention it's zero different than the games society forces adults to play in the real world.'

This whole discussion comes back to you needing to learn how to play the game still.
The rules of this forum are very simple. I can count on one hand how many times a moderator has modded my posts.
Posters who choose to push the boundaries, choose to accept the possibility their posts may have a moderator take action against their post.



As far as when @dviss1 said the thing about not wanting to attend a forum event with you due to gun ownership.
He prolly shouldn't have said that, and just kept it to himself. But that's not a personal insult so....
But iirc, you weren't innocent in that discussion @Cippy91
Well it’s the assumptions. You assume I’m in moods where a discussion can’t be had with me. That’s bullshit. Maybe if you actually tried a shot oppose to shit on me in the past, it would of worked. I see you put more effort into this one though. Never said I was perfect. I certainly had times here where I said some dumb shit and I owned up to it. I think I have been here for four years. I’m 27. A lot hasn’t happened in four years. I have grown a lot. However I’m still very outspoken. It’s just how I have always been. Sometimes I shouldn’t talk because it just creates a scene which I end up regretting. That’s why I haven’t posted here a while. No matter what I post a certain group containing the same people respond and get all mad and quite honestly assume things I didn’t specifically mean. Yeah my delivery is poor at times, that’s what leads to the misunderstanding. You’re right, this is a game. This isn’t real life face to face conversation. Different rules apply I guess. I only have ever had issues in the OT section, never the blazer part of the forum. So I don’t know. I like bones. I like other people here but yes you’re right, it’s a game.


As much as it seems, this shit doesn’t bother me as much as my words might make it out to be. I just kinda checked the forum today, saw this and started typing an opinion. I went for a run and here I am thinking “well fuck this kind of went further then I wanted, I just wanted to say an opinion and that’s it”.
 
And it was nearly unanimous
I’m not trying to diss you. I’m just saying I think certain people could handle the job and some can’t. My opinion being, you can’t. That’s one opinion. It was unanimous though so there you go. I have no personal issue with you. I think the only person I would consider having a personal issue here is with dviss because he has made it that way. You don’t get to sit and imply I’m racist time and time again or tell me you’re scared to go to some event with me being involved and be scared to take your son because I’m a gun owner, implying the most dramatic shit of all being that I would cause some form of harm to somebody. However that’s what dviss did and honestly I don’t care for that fucking guy. That kind of shit isn’t cool to me, especially when people in my past close to me have been taken by guns. I don’t play around with that. That’s when it got very personal. I don’t find him to be a good person and I get angry thinking about having to ever talk to such a person like that in person. So yeah. You guys have different experiences with him. That’s great. He hasn’t said the shit to you like he has me though. That’s a vile person.
 
Well it’s the assumptions. You assume I’m in moods where a discussion can’t be had with me. That’s bullshit. Maybe if you actually tried a shot oppose to shit on me in the past, it would of worked. I see you put more effort into this one though. Never said I was perfect. I certainly had times here where I said some dumb shit and I owned up to it. I think I have been here for four years. I’m 27. A lot hasn’t happened in four years. I have grown a lot. However I’m still very outspoken. It’s just how I have always been. Sometimes I shouldn’t talk because it just creates a scene which I end up regretting. That’s why I haven’t posted here a while. No matter what I post a certain group containing the same people respond and get all mad and quite honestly assume things I didn’t specifically mean. Yeah my delivery is poor at times, that’s what leads to the misunderstanding. You’re right, this is a game. This isn’t real life face to face conversation. Different rules apply I guess. I only have ever had issues in the OT section, never the blazer part of the forum. So I don’t know. I like bones. I like other people here but yes you’re right, it’s a game.


As much as it seems, this shit doesn’t bother me as much as my words might make it out to be. I just kinda checked the forum today, saw this and started typing an opinion. I went for a run and here I am thinking “well fuck this kind of went further then I wanted, I just wanted to say an opinion and that’s it”.

Until your delivery changes, people will assume your mood. That's not bullshit, it might be unfair. But it's not bullshit.
It's actually 100% on you to find a way to say something without seeming combative.

You're allowed to be outspoken, I am. I've said this before, even 4 years ago when you joined.
(I only said this back then because I liked you as a poster. I didn't want to see you leave the forum)
However my delivery is in such a way people don't have the ability to make an assumption.
All my posts are very clear.
I put the same amount of effort in every post.

You've said it before that this forum doesn't bother you like your posts make it seem like.
I can accept that, however it's now on you to word it so that people have no ability to call you a racist, a nazi, etc.

You and I are around the same age Cippy, so I understand the absolute frustration which can come from a generalization.
 
No I don’t think you do, if you did you would act faster as opposed to sit and say “dviss isn’t doing anything wrong”. To be honest I don’t even know who was in charge of giving you mod because you seem to be the most bias going into your position. You sit and like people’s comments against others. Yeah not bias at all. Instead of doing something as mod, you like the comments of your “friends” even when they are doing that childish gray area shit. You can’t convince me otherwise. I have these conversations with posters behind the scenes as well. They don’t speak up. I do. I always have. I’m not the only one with these thoughts. But hey it is what it is. There is a reason it has become an echo chamber. Nobody likes dealing with the bullshit that never gets fixed so people like me stopped posting in the OT. As I like to call it, the circle jerk of the whole forum. That’s all it is. No actual conversation is taking place.

You don't even know the headache it is. If it is obvious and blatant it is erased immediately. If it is questionable I have conversations with the other mods to decide...those grey areas. I was nominated by the other mods and voted in by 95% of the board. I delete posts all day on bith sides. What posts have I liked that were insults? Example? I still maintain the opinions I had before becoming a mod. I don't let them interfere with my modding. There are no special favors. If any post is insulting or can be construed as such it is looked at no matter who it is. If it is determined to be an insult it is deleted. Keep speaking up if you feel something is wrong, that's fine. It is hard to have conversations when there is so much divisness, so much unwillingness. And, I see the unwillingness on both sides. I wish not just as a mod, but as a member of this forum that there were more conversations and less threads full of insults and kindergarten behavior.
 
Until your delivery changes, people will assume your mood. That's not bullshit, it might be unfair. But it's not bullshit.
It's actually 100% on you to find a way to say something without seeming combative.

You're allowed to be outspoken, I am. I've said this before, even 4 years ago when you joined.
(I only said this back then because I liked you as a poster. I didn't want to see you leave the forum)
However my delivery is in such a way people don't have the ability to make an assumption.
All my posts are very clear.
I put the same amount of effort in every post.

You've said it before that this forum doesn't bother you like your posts make it seem like.
I can accept that, however it's now on you to word it so that people have no ability to call you a racist, a nazi, etc.

You and I are around the same age Cippy, so I understand the absolute frustration which can come from a generalization.
I think I come across better in person. You can’t hear tone and all that across words so I see how at times I could seem combative and at times I certainly have been but for the most part I’m not trying to be combative at all and I think the generalizations are uncalled for because there’s is always zero evidence behind it. The issue is we live in a society now where calling people racists for practically nothing is the normal thing to do along with nazi and alt right, all that nonsense. Funny thing is, I’m not right at all. I mean I have some views I share that are right but I also have views that are very liberal. It’s just interesting to me I guess. Maybe in a sense that’s why I stopped posting in OT. Sometimes I don’t think when I deliver something. I just kinda type and whatever my mind comes up with I deliver. It might sound combative when it’s read but it’s not meant to be, that’s for sure.
 
Right but see how the whole concern in the message is how if dviss will think ignore it’s racist. As if it all revolves around his feelings. Don’t know about you but I haven’t encountered a racist person on this forum for how ever many years I have been here. Yet dviss claims there are racists here and others have. I haven’t seen it. So I don’t know. I don’t appreciate the assumptions in the past of me being racist. No mod defended that despite there being zero evidence of it. Or anytime me being from Damascus was used as some form of insult to me. Time after time of me offering an opinion and the same people jumping all over honestly led to me saying fuck the OT section. Sometimes I’m just over the whole forum. I haven’t been posting in the game sections a whole lot though I watch every game. Makes people feel unwelcome and like the years I have been here just doesn’t matter because well I’m just viewed unfairly by the same people on the forum so why the fuck should I care to sit and put time into it?

Side note, honestly if you want a faster way of communicating open up a mod discord. Always open. Quick. All the mods can chat in one area as opposed to the clunky and outdated messaging system here and I’m not trying to shit on it but discoed is way faster and easier.

The first part of the discussion in that conversation got left out. I started the conversation asking Sly what he thought about @dviss1 s post. Whether he thought there were personal insults or not. I took your concern seriously, as I take all concerns regarding insults. We discussed his post just as we discussed El Presidentes. No bias.

I wasn't a mod when you got called racist. I don't recall seeing it. I don't know when it was. I have seen many racist posts on here. I don't stand for that shit. I don't care for that shit. Who gives a shit that you are from Damascus? I don't care. I am a liberal from Texas, you don't think I get shit for that. Stop letting people get under your skin so easily. You get insulted. You see other insults. Report it. It will get removed if it is an insult regardless of who posted it.
 
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