Are we still tanking?

[STOMP]

Injury risk is much more real in the NFL draft over NBA. A torn ACL is a much bigger red flag in the NFL Draft over the NBA.

I must be forgetting about all the players with torn ACL's that went near the top in the NBA draft. Brandon Roy comes to mind & teams did pass on him because of concerns for his knees, but please refresh my memory with some other examples that back up your point. Thanks

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[SharpesTriumph]

I must be forgetting about all the players with torn ACL's that went near the top in the NBA draft. Brandon Roy comes to mind & teams did pass on him because of concerns for his knees, but please refresh my memory with some other examples that back up your point. Thanks

STOMP

Embiid and Nerlens Noel

Was Blake Griffin injured after the draft? Missed his whole rookie year.

 

[BIG Q]

I must be forgetting about all the players with torn ACL's that went near the top in the NBA draft. Brandon Roy comes to mind & teams did pass on him because of concerns for his knees, but please refresh my memory with some other examples that back up your point. Thanks

STOMP

It was a generic example of an injury. But we have seen many torn ACL's in college.

 

[STOMP]

Is he a better prospect than Oden or Durant were? I'd say right now it appears clearly yes.

Unless we're talking marketing to the white audience, I disagree. Those two were both thought to be generational talents as well and KD has shown himself to be truly elite. If all three were coming out today and we didn't know about Oden's physical issues like we didn't back then, I could see Cooper going 1-3 with beauty being in the eye of the beholder

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[STOMP]

It was a generic example of an injury. But we have seen many torn ACL's in college.

yes we have, I just struggle to think of guys who went at the top of the lotto after suffering a torn ACL where team's were shrugging it off as no big deal. Heck, Topic probably goes 3-5 in this past crapshoot had he not been dinged and I don't think he dropped to 12 because teams were counting on him next year... more likely they were concerned about his long term availability.

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[SharpesTriumph]

yes we have, I just struggle to think of guys who went at the top of the lotto after suffering a torn ACL where team's were shrugging it off as no big deal. Heck, Topic probably goes 3-5 in this past crapshoot had he not been dinged and I don't think he dropped to 12 because teams were counting on him next year... more likely they were concerned about his long term availability.

STOMP

ACL itself has very little future injury risk. It's a very standard procedure and has a complete recovery. Takes about a full year though.

The issue is when there is damage to meniscus, very common to also have this with an ACL tear. That part of the meniscus gets removed and can certainly lead to knee issues in the future.

 

[STOMP]

ACL itself has very little future injury risk. It's a very standard procedure and has a complete recovery. Takes about a full year though.

The issue is when there is damage to meniscus, very common to also have this with an ACL tear. That part of the meniscus gets removed and can certainly lead to knee issues in the future.

Following 30+ years of hooping full court more days then not I had both knees scoped for torn meniscus. I'm very familiar with the issues of both torn meniscus & ACL. I was just curious about your claim that "A torn ACL is a much bigger red flag in the NFL Draft over the NBA" when I struggle to think of examples that back this up. I'm asking for some for a 2nd time

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[SharpesTriumph]

Following 30+ years of hooping full court more days then not I had both knees scoped for torn meniscus. I'm very familiar with the issues of both torn meniscus & ACL. I was just curious about your claim that "A torn ACL is a much bigger red flag in the NFL Draft over the NBA" when I struggle to think of examples that back this up. I'm asking for some for a 2nd time

STOMP

I never claimed that.

 

[Bingo Bango]

Of course Portland is tanking. It’s what they’re best at. The goal is to take losing to a new level.

 

[andalusian]

Asbolutely we are still tanking. That's why we're trading Grant this summer.

The vision is contention from 2027-2028

Scoot on year 5
Sharpe on year 6
Flagg on year 3
Avdija on year 8
Clingan on year 4

By then

Scoot should be playing like CP3
Sharpe should be playing like Kobe
Flagg should be playing like Pippen
Avdija should be playing like Luka
Clingan should be playing like David Robinson

In 2027-2028 CP3, Pippen, David Robinson and Kobe are no longer active players in the NBA. This leaves Portland with an older Luka and nothing else. Not good.

 

[Whyachi]

Of course Portland is tanking. It’s what they’re best at. The goal is to take losing to a new level.

The losing on purpose strategies to get Portland back into the winners circle is recoverable, but it may take longer then the media advertised "Rebuild like OKC".

The Thunder bounced up to .500 after 2 tanking years. A miraculous evolution for a young NBA squad.

There are always going to be junkyard teams in the NBA. Sometimes these squads won't sniff the playoffs for over a decade.

When Portland traded picks to get Avdija... that was a healthy dose of hope this fanbase needed. Deni is a keeper, now Portland just needs to add more keepers. Gunning for a top draft pick in the next couple 2 or 3 or 4, maybe 5, possibly 6 seasons... then we'll see what Portland has cooking.

 

[Shaboid]

Are we still tanking? Does a bear still shit in the woods?

 

[STOMP]

Embiid and Nerlens Noel

Was Blake Griffin injured after the draft? Missed his whole rookie year.

Blake was after the draft. Nerlens Noel is a cautionary lesson for GMs thinking of drafting a guy after a torn ACL. If they’re going to do it, a guy better have serious upside like Roy and Embiid as the player is likely to continue to deal with it

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[illmatic99]

As mentioned earlier, this is going to be another reason why Spurs won't be tanking overtly this yr.

 

[Natebishop3]

I wonder if there's more urgency to move Simons this year because there's so many guards at the top of the 2025 draft.

Vecenie's top 10 that he released today:

1. Flagg - Forward
2. Harper - 6'5 guard
3. Traore - 6'3 guard
4. Edgecombe - 6'3 guard
5. Bailey - 6'8 wing
6. Hugo Gonzalez - 6'6 wing
7. Asa Newell - 6'9 forward
8. Liam McNeeley - 6'6 wing
9. Jalil Bethea - 6'3 guard
10. Ian Jackson - 6'4 guard

 

[Hoopguru]

Ayton/ Donavan/Reath
Grant/ Walker
Deny/ Kamara
Shaedon/Mattise
Simons/Scoot

realistically if healthy how many games could they win if tanking was off the table?

40?

 

[inconceivable]

Ayton/ Donavan/Reath
Grant/ Walker
Deny/ Kamara
Shaedon/Mattise
Simons/Scoot

realistically if healthy how many games could they win if tanking was off the table?

40?

We still have timelord, who when healthy is really good

 

[Whyachi]

Ayton/ Donavan/Reath
Grant/ Walker
Deny/ Kamara
Shaedon/Mattise
Simons/Scoot

realistically if healthy how many games could they win if tanking was off the table?

40?

Blazers finished last in 3pt percentage. I didn't see Cronin adding a ton of 3pt shooters to the roster. But it won't stop Portland from launching away, you know, like the Warriors and Celtics. Those guys are champions, competitors. Billups gets his guys good looks. They just couldn't get them to drop.

sneaky stealth tanking includes not fixing all the weak spots. Which makes winning games an optional feature.

 

[wizenheimer]

Ayton/ Donavan/Reath
Grant/ Walker
Deny/ Kamara
Shaedon/Mattise
Simons/Scoot

realistically if healthy how many games could they win if tanking was off the table?

40?

I don't believe they'd win 40 games. Probably around 35-36.

and the most significant impact would be landing a shitty lottery pick

 

[inconceivable]

I don't believe they'd win 40 games. Probably around 35-36.

and the most significant impact would be landing a shitty lottery pick

That's why we shouldn't try to even pretend to make the playoffs.

 

[Cugel]

I think the only change to the starting 5 will be Deni. I give them 32 wins if they are healthy. Very iso-heavy offense and lots and lots of dribbling by Ant and Jerami.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I think the only change to the starting 5 will be Deni. I give them 32 wins if they are healthy. Very iso-heavy offense and lots and lots of dribbling by Ant and Jerami.

It would be the worst. Absolutely terrible.

 

[Hoopguru]

Ayton/ Donavan/Reath
Grant/ Walker
Deny/ Kamara
Shaedon/Mattise
Simons/Scoot

realistically if healthy how many games could they win if tanking was off the table?

40?

Id guess around 38 games or so.
The wild card for me is if for some reason Shae, Scoot and Deny pop together and the D improves? I guess thats when the creative tanking come's into play.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

42-45 wins if fully healthy

 

[BassPlaya]

Yes, this board is tanking.

 

[julius]

42-45 wins if fully healthy

Over how many seasons?

 

[inconceivable]

We have a problematic conflict of interest:

1. We all want the youngins to play well.

2. We also want the tradeable vets to increase their value.

3. We also want to win the lottery.

This is the case of pick 2 only.

Fast / Cheap / Good
If fast and cheap, won't be good
If fast and good, won't be cheap
If good and cheap, won't be fast

 

[Strenuus]

The only thing this season should be is a complete loss.

If its anything else, it's being done wrong.

 

[Hoopguru]

We have a problematic conflict of interest:

1. We all want the youngins to play well.

2. We also want the tradeable vets to increase their value.

3. We also want to win the lottery.

This is the case of pick 2 only.

Fast / Cheap / Good
If fast and cheap, won't be good
If fast and good, won't be cheap
Of good and cheap, won't be fast

Good with fast and good.

 

[blazerkor]

We have a problematic conflict of interest:

1. We all want the youngins to play well.

2. We also want the tradeable vets to increase their value.

3. We also want to win the lottery.

This is the case of pick 2 only.

Fast / Cheap / Good
If fast and cheap, won't be good
If fast and good, won't be cheap
Of good and cheap, won't be fast

I don't want all of our tradeable vets to increase their value or think most of them can. I want them traded now for the highest value out there. I guarantee there are teams that want Jerami and I guarantee there are teams that want Ant. I think both will bring back at least a future FRP and if they're only bringing back one future FRP a piece they should also be bringing back other tradeable contracts.