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But remind me, it’s been awhile, this is BAD right? Wish we had bad players like this on our team.
 
tlongII said:
How many titles has Westbrook won?
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Ohhhh we’re back on the titles thing again. So he didn’t win a ring BECAUSE of his historic numbers? Or lack of talent surrounding him? Kinda’ like Dame…..what about Stockton, Malone, Ewing, Steve Nash, Charles Barkley. Why didn’t they win a ring? That’s how we judge players greatness?

JR Rider and Adam Morrison on Line 1. Think deep before you reply. Those were arguably some of the best players to ever lace ‘em up.
 
tlongII said:
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No but John Salley and Will Purdue have 4 each……. No way to critique a player’s career if you really think about it.
Pep Saul also has 4 rings, 5.2/2.0/1.6 career averages………..big fan of his?
 
THE HCP said:
Ohhhh we’re back on the titles thing again. So he didn’t win a ring BECAUSE of his historic numbers? Or lack of talent surrounding him? Kinda’ like Dame…..what about Stockton, Malone, Ewing, Steve Nash, Charles Barkley. Why didn’t they win a ring? That’s how we judge players greatness?

JR Rider and Adam Morrison on Line 1. Think deep before you reply. Those were arguably some of the best players to ever lace ‘em up.
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First, learn the important distinction between NECESSARY and SUFFICIENT. At best the previous poster is saying that a ring is necessary for greatness - that is, you can't be great without it. Your examples of Rider and Ammo don't disprove that, they just prove that a ring is not sufficient for greatness. Your examples of Stockton and Malone do show that a ring is not necessary - so don't muddy the water with Rider and Ammo. (Of course, there will be those who still bite the bullet and say "that's right - Stockton and Malone are NOT truly great" and you can't win with them.

Second, triple doubles are not SUFFICIENT for greatness, otherwise Fat Lever would be truly great. Now, don't get me wrong, I love a good triple double - they certainly show that you're putting in effort. But they're also likely a sign that you're high usage and you're always around the ball - perhaps ball-hunting instead of guarding your man, setting picks, doing the unglamorous dirty work. Robin Lopez always looked like a weak rebounder (and not coincidentally, players playing alongside him, who otherwise weren't great - like LaMarcus - looked much better) because he was an awesome box-er out-er, leaving a space where a child could've got the rebound. So if one player is getting ALL the stats, that's not necessarily a sign that they outworked everyone else, it requires the team being structured to favor them. And teams that have been built around Westbrook just haven't done well, have they? But conversely, he's not much use unless you do build around him, and that's why he's not great. There's an argument to be made that OKC would've been better in the finals without Westbrook (just like we would've been better against the Lakers without Stoudamire) and certainly Harden would've been less likely to leave.
 
I don’t believe they would be a part OF the NBA would they? Wasn’t there an NFL Europe league for awhile? I think the NBA would just sponsor them right? Might be exhibition games or something.
 
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