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wizenheimer said:
I'm not sure that's true

I'm checking pace. This season the median pace is 98.9. When the Blazers won the championship in 1977, the median pace was 106.2. So, more than 7 extra possessions a game. About 10 years later when the Lakers and Celtics were taking turns the median Pace was 101.3

by the way, the year the Blazers entered the NBA, the median Pace was 115.7; and Portland led the NBA in Pace at 120.6. In other words, the Blazers had 21 more possessions a game then they did this season

* in 1977, there were 33 players who averaged 35 minutes or more; and 73 who averaged 30 minutes or more
* in 1987 there were 33 players who averaged 35 minute or more; and 83 players who averaged 30 minutes or more
* this season, only 20 players averaged 35 minutes or more; and 73 who averaged 30 minutes or more

.....and the seasons now are more spread out with more rest days than it was back then

in 1977, the Blazers had 17 back-to-backs. This season they had 11

I don't think the injuries are very connected to the pace or the schedule. I'm not sure what's at work, but maybe the NBA should crack down on players wearing whatever loopy looking shoes they want from shoe makers they sign contracts with. All these low cut shoes and fancy soles may be crappy foundations for a basketball floor
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It's not just pace .. it's intensity of play. Players were going up and down the floor but it was easy fast breaks. Standing around on offense while a big pounded the ball inside. Teams didn't have to guard 5 skilled guys on offense 30 feet from the hoop.

Wilt average over 48 mpg ... Hell a bunch of guys were smoking cigarettes. Let's see them try that today.

If you don't think players are much more athletic, better training, better nutrition, more intense today I'm not sure what to tell you.
 
THE HCP said:
OKC licking their chops on Indy and now NYC possibly coming out of the east.
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So were the Cavs and the Celtics. OKC isn't looking like the regular season juggernaut they were (although a bit closer to it than the Cavs - WTF happened there?)
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So were the Cavs and the Celtics. OKC isn't looking like the regular season juggernaut they were (although a bit closer to it than the Cavs - WTF happened there?)
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After years of seeing it here, I want to say "small guard lineup", but really it's injuries.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
It's not just pace .. it's intensity of play.
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c'mon man....I ain't buying that

competition was just as "intense" when the Blazers won the title in 1977; it was plenty intense when the Lakers and Celtics were battling for rings in the Bird/Magic era; it was hella intense in the Bad Boys era and later in the Jordan/Bulls era. Those Drexler led Blazer teams were intense, and they were physical. And speaking of physical, this era is the least physical NBA I've seen. There was a lot more contact; lots more leaning and bumping and pushing and grabbing in the past, Also, screens and picks were allowed to be more physical. And physical play always dials up the intensity; and likely increases the chances of injuries

so no, I'm not buying that theory unless you can show me some objective intensity gauge that can span the decades

I'm not sure there are more injuries overall right now. Maybe, maybe not. There sure as hell are more players taking rest days now. The Spurs would have won 7 or 8 championships if Duncan and Manu hadn't been injured at the end of seasons. Portland's dynasty dream crumbled when Walton and Lucas got injured

Achilles tears? yes, there does seem to be more of them. But the cause? I'm not sure but I'd say my theory about footwear is just as likely as some vague theory about intensity
 
What are the Warriors going to do.... they SHOULD just blow it up.

I don't see a path for them to win with Curry anymore.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What are the Warriors going to do.... they SHOULD just blow it up.

I don't see a path for them to win with Curry anymore.
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I think they can get helpful pieces for Kuminga and Moody. Not sure they want to trade Podz but I think he'd be attractive in the marketplace.
 
Rough for Golden State to have Steph get injured in this series... at the same time it's hard to feel too bad for the team or their fans after making the Finals 8 of the last 11 seasons.
 
blazerkor said:
Rough for Golden State to have Steph get injured in this series... at the same time it's hard to feel too bad for the team or their fans after making the Finals 8 of the last 11 seasons.
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Huh? Curry has only been to the Finals 6 times.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So were the Cavs and the Celtics. OKC isn't looking like the regular season juggernaut they were (although a bit closer to it than the Cavs - WTF happened there?)
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Cavs had injuries to their three best players. They tried to gut it out but they were just too hurt. They can be hopeful about the future though. They’re young. Mobley hasn’t reached his ceiling yet.
 
Natebishop3 said:
What are the Warriors going to do.... they SHOULD just blow it up.

I don't see a path for them to win with Curry anymore.
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They played great 2nd half of season when healthy. They should run it back at least 1 or 2 years.

When you win 4 titles you should keep the core together.

They'll have plenty of time to rebuild in a few years.

If any of Camara Deni Scoot Sharpe get us to a title, let alone 4, I'll be happy to let that group have some swan song seasons for a few extra years and delay the next rebuild.

Always wish we had been able to experience some more of those years with the Jordan Bulls. Felt cheated we didn't get to see them naturally end their run. Instead we watched a diminished Jordan do squat on the Wizards.
 
blazerkor said:
Rough for Golden State to have Steph get injured in this series... at the same time it's hard to feel too bad for the team or their fans after making the Finals 8 of the last 11 seasons.
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KingSpeed said:
Huh? Curry has only been to the Finals 6 times.
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Correct - 4 finals wins and 2 finals losses.

2013-2023 Warriors won a playoff series in 8 of 11 seasons. Maybe that's what he meant.
 
Must be nice to be able to down 3 sugary drinks a day and still be world class athlete. The metabolism on these guys is insane. Thanks mom and dad!
 
SharpesTriumph said:
They played great 2nd half of season when healthy. They should run it back at least 1 or 2 years.

When you win 4 titles you should keep the core together.

They'll have plenty of time to rebuild in a few years.

If any of Camara Deni Scoot Sharpe get us to a title, let alone 4, I'll be happy to let that group have some swan song seasons for a few extra years and delay the next rebuild.

Always wish we had been able to experience some more of those years with the Jordan Bulls. Felt cheated we didn't get to see them naturally end their run. Instead we watched a diminished Jordan do squat on the Wizards.
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But that's the problem. Their core is old. As we're seeing with Dame, the older you get the more injury prone you become.

Also, really the core is long gone. The teams that won those titles are gone. It's just Curry and Draymond who remain.
 
Natebishop3 said:
But that's the problem. Their core is old. As we're seeing with Dame, the older you get the more injury prone you become.

Also, really the core is long gone. The teams that won those titles are gone. It's just Curry and Draymond who remain.
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So what action do you suggest - flip Curry, Draymond, and Butler for a few picks to accelerate the rebuild?

If I'm a warriors fan I'd prefer they keep those guys around and just delay the rebuild a few years. Every year has a new pick, that day is always waiting there. But having a few more years of Steph is priceless. They probably prefer he has a Dirk/Kobe/Duncan legacy.

I bet Bulls fans would have loved to have another few years of Jordan instead of the picks they used that following decade.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
So what action do you suggest - flip Curry, Draymond, and Butler for a few picks to accelerate the rebuild?

If I'm a warriors fan I'd prefer they keep those guys around and just delay the rebuild a few years. Every year has a new pick, that day is always waiting there. But having a few more years of Steph is priceless. They probably prefer he has a Dirk/Kobe/Duncan legacy.

I bet Bulls fans would have loved to have another few years of Jordan instead of the picks they used that following decade.
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I would try to send Steph to another contender. I'd dump Draymond to whoever would take him. He's toxic. I'd probably just go full rebuild. But I also haven't ever seen my team win a damn title and I'm just really not that sentimental.
 
OKC been the odds favorite to win it for the entire playoffs

Cavs and Celtics saw times as runners up odds.

OKC still favorites to win in at -125, but now we see the T-Wolves second favorites at +550 (Big difference!) meaning that the Thunder are heavily favored to win it right now. Following the Wolves are the Pacers and Knicks both at +600, Celtics at +1700, and Nuggets at +2500

That Twolves line is interesting… I’m not sleeping on the wolves, they are loaded with talent and playing well. It would be a hell of a series between the Wolves and Thunder.

By comparison the West is at -250 to win the finals where the East is +200. Completely logical, I do think it’s either going to be the Wolves or Thunder who take it this year. Wild we are in a day in the NBA where we are seeing teams like the Thunder (maybe), Wolves, Knicks (maybe), and Pacers in the conference finals.
 
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