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AldoTrapani said:
Crazy. The run Haliburton is doing this playoffs is what we always thought dame would do. Clutch as a MFer
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to be fair, this pacers team around hali is above and beyond better than our wcf team.

but this run by hali is historical, took overrated level personal
 
AldoTrapani said:
Crazy. The run Haliburton is doing this playoffs is what we always thought dame would do. Clutch as a MFer
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Difference is Haliburton doesn't pound the ball and iso the other team while being a horrific defender.

Haliburton certainly has better teammates too. But it's just near impossible to construct a team to contend with a player like Dame as your star. Look at him paired with arguably the best player in the world and they've been no more successful than Dame was in PDX.
 
blazerkor said:
What a typical Aldo take. Dame could only dream of the kind of squad that Halliburton has around him... Nesmith, Nembhard, Siakam and Turner are arguably better when considering both ends of the court than anyone Dame played with here after LaMarcus left and they blew the whole thing up. Undoubtedly even when we had Aldridge we never had guys off the bench like Toppin, McConnell or Mathurin.

That's not me saying that Dame ever had the well rounded game that Halliburton is showing, to go along with his clutch play but these Pacers would have smoked any team that we put around Dame the entire time he was here.
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Swap a healthy Dame with Haliburton and are the Pacers better? I suspect they'd be MUCH worse.

Haliburton, Siakam, and coach Rick have done a great job of building an offense that gets everybody involved but that the stars can score when needed. Put an ISO player like Dame in command with horrible D and it's a totally different team.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Swap a healthy Dame with Haliburton and are the Pacers better? I suspect they'd be MUCH worse.

Haliburton, Siakam, and coach Rick have done a great job of building an offense that gets everybody involved but that the stars can score when needed. Put an ISO player like Dame in command with horrible D and it's a totally different team.
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I think if you give Dame Siakam and Carlisle he could do some things.

Gianna's just flat out isn't a good teammate. The dude can't run the pick and roll with Dame freaking Lillard.
 
KingSpeed said:
What is the job of a moderator?
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To fight fires.

Though as poster I have...uh...fanned some flames myself, though to put out some fires in another respect on more than one occasion.

I guess you could say I have had some pretty explosive moments here and there as a poster. My moderating abilities were questioned because of that. Though, I have never let my personal posts get in the way of my moderating.

Stren can be a bit snarky or sardonic sometimes in his posts as a poster. I think he's just soured since the rebuild began and Dame left. Which I kind of get. I don't really take his crankiness seriously (though I do see it has upset some of you) because I have met the guy. I think he is a good moderator and a good dude and he has done a lot for this forum and cares for this forum. He has just lost care for the NBA and lost patience for the Blazers.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I think if you give Dame Siakam and Carlisle he could do some things.

Gianna's just flat out isn't a good teammate. The dude can't run the pick and roll with Dame freaking Lillard.
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He refuses to pass the ball the Dame. It was so frustrating watching. If they played through each other they would win. Perhaps they just needed the right coach to get that through to them? Too late now though, I guess.
 
Chris Craig said:
He refuses to pass the ball the Dame. It was so frustrating watching. If they played through each other they would win. Perhaps they just needed the right coach to get that through to them? Too late now though, I guess.
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I think they would have figured it out with Stotts there.
 
Chris Craig said:
To fight fires.

Though as poster I have...uh...fanned some flames myself, though to put out some fires in another respect on more than one occasion.

I guess you could say I have had some pretty explosive moments here and there as a poster. My moderating abilities were questioned because of that. Though, I have never let my personal posts get in the way of my moderating.

Stren can be a bit snarky or sardonic sometimes in his posts as a poster. I think he's just soured since the rebuild began and Dame left. Which I kind of get. I don't really take his crankiness seriously (though I do see it has upset some of you) because I have met the guy. I think he is a good moderator and a good dude and he has done a lot for this forum and cares for this forum. He has just lost care for the NBA and lost patience for the Blazers.
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Pretty much on point.
 
Chris Craig said:
He refuses to pass the ball the Dame. It was so frustrating watching. If they played through each other they would win. Perhaps they just needed the right coach to get that through to them? Too late now though, I guess.
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Dame as the PG starts with the ball every play jacked up over 17 shots while hitting a weak 44%. 14 Bucks players shot better than Dame.

Giannis led the NBA in makes on over 60% while only shooting two more shots per game.

If anything Dame should have been shooting less and Giannis more.

Dames just not on the same level as a well rounded championship level role playing PG. Jrue Holiday, Haliburton, Caruso, Derrick White, etc are all clearly superior.

Dames better at jacking up a bunch of shots on a non contending team and scoring more points. Kind of like Carmelo Anthony.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
False, Giannis has won the MVP and was 3rd this year.
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If you have Giannis's skill set and you can't run the pick and roll with Dame Lillard you're not a good teammate.

Giannis has an MVP because he was naturally gifted with incredible talent and ability. That doesn't make him a good teammate, even though it does make him an incredible force.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
If you have giannis's skill set and you can't run the pick and roll with Dame Lillard you're not a good teammate.

Giannis has an MVP because he was naturally gifted with incredible talent and ability. That doesn't make him a good teammate, even though it does make him an incredible force.
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Giannis role is to help the Bucks win as he did scoring the most shots per game in the NBA on over 60% shooting. Also he provides great defense.

His role isn't to setup Lillard offense.

He won a title playing this same way with Jrue.

Dames just not a PG on the level of those other role players. Glad we were able to trade him away before he finally got exposed.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Giannis role is to help the Bucks win as he did scoring the most shots per game in the NBA on over 60% shooting. Also he provides great defense.

His role isn't to setup Lillard offense.

He won a title playing this same way with Jrue.

Dames just not a PG on the level of those other role players. Glad we were able to trade him away before he finally got exposed.
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The pick and roll wouldn't be setting Dame up (though he would certainly score more efficiently than what was happening pre-injury). It would up Giannis's scoring as well.

The whole team would score more. Every person on that team would score more and probably more efficiently.

It doesn't make any sense to put Dame on a team that doesn't run pick and roll. Since they don't seem to do it, he's going to be less effective.
 
THE HCP said:
The real reason they won FAMS!
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Well the blazers fans know you are cheating on the Blazers with the L*kers. But do the L*kers fans know you are cheating on the L*kers with the Pacers?

HCP flying to his next gig listening to The Beach Boys… “Round round get around, I get a round… I get arooooouund”
 
Phatguysrule said:
The pick and roll wouldn't be setting Dame up (though I'm sure he would score more efficiently than what was happening pre-injury). It would up Giannis's scoring as well.

The whole team would score more. Every person on that team would score more and probably more efficiently.
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So now your an expert coach?

Giannis scored the most shots per game in the NBA. Change the offense and does he do the same?

Who knows, maybe your right. But that's still not a good indication of Dames abilities if he can only succeed in one type of offense structured to him. Many all-star level NBA players could succeed in a varieties of offensive schemes next to Giannis - we've seen them do it. Dame can't.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
So now your an expert coach?

Giannis scored the most shots per game in the NBA. Change the offense and does he do the same?

Who knows, maybe your right. But that's still not a good indication of Dames abilities if he can only succeed in one type of offense structured to him. Many all-star level NBA players could succeed in a varieties of offensive schemes next to Giannis - we've seen them do it. Dame can't.
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Yes Giannis would score more and more efficiently running pick and roll with Dame Lillard. Dame would also score more and more efficiently.

I don't know if knowing that makes me an expert coach. That's just obvious. It literally couldn't be guarded if they had even a decent shooter on the opposite side of the court.

You'd have to overplay Dame to get him to give up the ball early (closer to half court). But if you do that and Giannis cuts middle he's going to dunk it every possession against the naked backside.

Basketball is not complicated. Especially when you have players as capable as Giannis and Dame.

Running the pick and roll would be setting Giannis up to score a lot more than he does now. I know that's incredible to think about.

In doing so his teammates would likely score a lot more as well.

Nobody is discounting Giannis as an individual player. He's incredibly capable. But he's not getting as much out of his team, because he's not being a good (smart?) teammate.

That has to come from Giannis. He's the one not doing what's best for the team.

Or maybe it's coaching. I thought Doc would be a good enough coach to understand the pick and roll... Maybe I was wrong. But they didn't run it for the prior coach either.
 
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SharpesTriumph said:
Dame as the PG starts with the ball every play jacked up over 17 shots while hitting a weak 44%. 14 Bucks players shot better than Dame.

Giannis led the NBA in makes on over 60% while only shooting two more shots per game.

If anything Dame should have been shooting less and Giannis more.

Dames just not on the same level as a well rounded championship level role playing PG. Jrue Holiday, Haliburton, Caruso, Derrick White, etc are all clearly superior.

Dames better at jacking up a bunch of shots on a non contending team and scoring more points. Kind of like Carmelo Anthony.
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It's not all on Giannis for sure. But, my point remains, they aren't playing through each other and that is messing up everything for them.
 
Giannis is awesome. No doubt about it. He fills up the stats sheet. I would have loved if we had drafted him.
Yet......his outside shooting knocks him down a peg in my eyes in terms of a superstar. If the Suns don't melt down defensively in those 2 middle quarters in game 5 in the finals, the narrative of Giannis is probably different. (and probably for Ayton as well) Up to that point the home team was kicking ass every game.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Swap a healthy Dame with Haliburton and are the Pacers better? I suspect they'd be MUCH worse.

Haliburton, Siakam, and coach Rick have done a great job of building an offense that gets everybody involved but that the stars can score when needed. Put an ISO player like Dame in command with horrible D and it's a totally different team.
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Completely agree.
There are 2 sides to the court.
 
wizenheimer said:
interesting thread content lately considering the title:

* Stren is a shit poster who can't be put on ignore because is a mod
* Dame is a shit player
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FTFY
 
SGA taking 30 shots is ridiculous. And pulling your bigs at crunch time was huge, as OKC was destroyed on the boards, especially when it mattered. Chet was not good in the game either.
 
RR7 said:
lol Giannis won a title, Dame has not. But Giannis is the problem with their team not being successful?
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If you have a better idea than them running the pick and roll I'd love to hear it.

They both have all the talent and skill necessary to do it. At the highest level it's ever been done.

They have decent shooters who could play off of it as well.

What alternative are you proposing would be more successful?
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Swap a healthy Dame with Haliburton and are the Pacers better? I suspect they'd be MUCH worse.

Haliburton, Siakam, and coach Rick have done a great job of building an offense that gets everybody involved but that the stars can score when needed. Put an ISO player like Dame in command with horrible D and it's a totally different team.
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I would have loved to have seen Dame with that kind of talent around him when he was here.
 
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