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That is common sense though
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If the blazers were using common sense, we WOULD trade Dame.
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7 for 12, Dort, filler, then 12 and Bledsoe for Grant.
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Ugh! I'm not saying you're wrong because this seems very plausible but if this is what we do we are leaving ourselves really small in the starting lineup again and with four heavy rotation players (Dort, Grant, Nas and Justise) we have to extend, re-sign next off season or let walk.
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Ugh. That hurts my head.
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unless we have a deal lined up for Hart, i don't buy the Dort stuff whatsoever. think we might have kicked the tires on him, but the fit makes very little sense.
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I'm not thrilled with Dort and 12 unless I know Sharpe is off the board and I'm getting Sochan at 12.
And I'm a fan of Dort.
And I'm a fan of Dort.
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Dort is glorified Hart. Put up decent numbers because someone has to score for the Thunder. Defensively they’re very comparable
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If we trade the #7 for Dort we’d be the laughing stock of the NBA.
When you’re a market like the Blazers you have to hope the front office does it’s due diligence and then play the dart board of the draft. Especially with a top 10 pick. Unless you’re getting a bonafide star or star on the cusp.
Dort is not that. Solid role player. A cute piece on a team like the Warriors
When you’re a market like the Blazers you have to hope the front office does it’s due diligence and then play the dart board of the draft. Especially with a top 10 pick. Unless you’re getting a bonafide star or star on the cusp.
Dort is not that. Solid role player. A cute piece on a team like the Warriors
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which two?
2022 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 2022 1st round pick to Oklahoma City [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]
2022 first round draft pick from Phoenix
Phoenix's 2022 1st round pick to Oklahoma City [Oklahoma City-Phoenix, 11/16/2020]
2023 first round draft pick from Denver
Denver's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024 and 1-14 in 2025; if Denver has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2025, then Denver will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick and 2026 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020]
2023 first round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City (via Houston) protected for selections 1-18 in 2023, 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021]
2023 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers (swap, Oklahoma City outgoing)
Oklahoma City has the right to swap its 2023 1st round pick for the L.A. Clippers' 2023 1st round pick [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]
2023 first round draft pick from Washington
Washington's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City (via Houston) protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026; if Washington has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2026, then Washington will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Houston-Washington, 12/2/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021]
2023 second round draft pick from Dallas or Miami (more favorable)
Oklahoma City will receive the more favorable of Dallas' 2023 2nd round pick and Miami's 2023 2nd round pick (Oklahoma City may convey this pick to New York (see Oklahoma City Outgoing)); Boston will receive the more favorable of (i) Houston's 2023 2nd round pick protected for selections 31-32 and (ii) the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick and Indiana will receive the least favorable of the three (via Miami to Dallas; via Memphis' right to swap Dallas or Miami for Houston); if the Houston pick falls within its protected range, then Houston's obligation to Boston will be extinguished and Boston will instead receive the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick and Indiana will instead receive the Houston pick [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021]
2023 second round draft pick from Washington
Washington's 2023 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City (via New Orleans) [New Orleans-Washington, 2/7/2019; Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020]; Oklahoma City may convey this pick to New York (see Oklahoma City Outgoing)
2024 first round draft pick from Houston
Houston's 2024 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-4; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Houston will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019]
2024 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 2024 1st round pick to Oklahoma City [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]
2024 first round draft pick from Utah
Utah's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-10 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026 (if Utah has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2026, then Utah's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished) [Oklahoma City-Utah, 7/30/2021; Oklahoma City-Utah, 1/4/2022]
2024 second round draft pick from Charlotte
Charlotte's 2024 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City (via New Orleans) [Charlotte-New Orleans, 11/19/2020; Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020]
2024 second round draft pick from Minnesota
Minnesota's 2024 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Minnesota-New York-Oklahoma City, 11/20/2020]
2025 first round draft pick from Houston or L.A. Clippers (swap, Oklahoma City outgoing to Houston, L.A. Clippers or Brooklyn)
Oklahoma City has the right to swap its 2025 1st round pick for Houston's 2025 1st round pick protected for selections 1-10 or the L.A. Clippers' 2025 1st round pick; Houston then has the right to swap its pick or the Oklahoma City pick for Brooklyn's 2025 1st round pick; if the Houston pick falls within its protected range, then Houston's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished and Houston will instead receive the more favorable of its pick and the Brooklyn pick and Brooklyn will receive the less favorable of the two [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021]
2025 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City (via L.A. Clippers) protected for selections 1-14 in 2025 and unprotected in 2026 [L.A. Clippers-Miami, 7/6/2019; L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019; Miami-Oklahoma City, 2/9/2022]
2025 first round draft pick from Philadelphia
Philadelphia's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-6 in 2025, 1-4 in 2026 and 1-4 in 2027; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2027, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Philadelphia-Oklahoma City, 12/8/2020]
2025 second round draft pick from Atlanta
Atlanta's 2025 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Atlanta's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished) [Atlanta-Oklahoma City, 11/24/2020]
2025 second round draft pick from Boston or Memphis (more favorable)
Oklahoma City will receive the more favorable of Boston's 2025 2nd round pick and Memphis' 2025 2nd round pick and Orlando will receive the less favorable of the two (via Memphis to Boston) [Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Boston-Orlando, 3/25/2021; Boston-Oklahoma City, 6/18/2021]
2025 second round draft pick from Philadelphia
Philadelphia's 2025 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]
2026 first round draft pick from Houston
Houston's 2026 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-4; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Houston will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019]
2026 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 2026 1st round pick to Oklahoma City [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]
2026 second round draft pick from Dallas and/or Philadelphia (two most favorable of these and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma City outgoing to Miami)
Oklahoma City will receive the two most favorable of its 2026 2nd round pick, Dallas' 2026 2nd round pick and Philadelphia's 2026 2nd round pick and Miami will receive the least favorable of the three (via Oklahoma City) [Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021; Miami-Oklahoma City, 2/9/2022]
2027 second round draft picks from Houston, Indiana and/or Miami (three most favorable of these and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma City outgoing to San Antonio)
Oklahoma City will receive the three most favorable of its 2027 2nd round pick, Houston's 2027 2nd round pick, Indiana's 2027 2nd round pick and Miami's 2027 2nd round pick and San Antonio will receive the least favorable of the four (via Houston to Detroit to Oklahoma City; via Utah to San Antonio) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Detroit-Oklahoma City, 3/13/2021; Indiana-Oklahoma City, 11/25/2020; Miami-Oklahoma City, 3/17/2021; Oklahoma City-Utah, 7/30/2021; Portland-San Antonio-Utah, 2/9/2022]
2028 second round draft pick from Utah
Utah's 2028 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Oklahoma City-Utah, 7/30/2021; Oklahoma City-Utah, 1/4/2022]
by the way. OKC has all of their own first's as well. Their 2023-2025 2nd's are gone though. So that means they have 21 first round picks & swaps and 14 second round picks
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Sounds like hoarders. I bet they lose track of what they got while they’re still negotiating for more.
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also diminishing returns. they lose value when they've monopolized the market of all picks with a finite # of roster spots and guaranteed contracts.
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At some point you’d think they’d want to consolidate for actual appreciable talent.
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lol did Atkinson get scared straight after seeing the Bridges/Harrell drug fiasco?
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Would you be happy with these two trades?
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You are correct, that's just plain silly. It won't be until mid season when we are 10 games under .500
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Foundation for a rebuild and foundation to win now are very different things.
Ant is a great option because he is young and has displayed high potential. Of course there's major questions and small sample size, if there wasn't hed already be a star. If he realizes the potential that is great. If not the team loses and gets better draft picks to search for a new foundation.
An Ant/Brown/top3 pick have championship rebuild potential many years from now. Dame and Ant aren't close to that level.
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If they just keep all the picks maybe. I'd expect they trade away picks at this and next year's draft for future picks.
Eventually they either consolidate picks to multiple stud top5 type picks. Or they eventually make a win now move and trade tons of picks for a couple all stars.
Their doing a great job of rebuilding, as they have tons of possible directions they can go to add elite talent.
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Maybe warriors got close to matching dollars? He can still get paid, work less hours, and hold out for more $ on next HC offer.
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There is no precedence for this outside of maybe Boston in 08, but that model is tough to replicate in a market like OKC.
I have a bold prediction. Presti jumps ship in a year or two.
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cause you say so? I don't agree at all
you don't build a team around a role player and at this point, that's all Ant is. We're talking about trading away a franchise player because of Simons? That's not a foundation for a rebuild; that's a foundation for becoming the Sacramento Kings. That's "we don't draft Chris Paul because we have Sebastian Telfaire". That's Linsanity
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Give me the Detroit '23 or Washington '23 pick
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took a while to sort thru all those didn't it?
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No... we're talking about trading away a franchise player because many believe it will not be possible to build a contender around him given his age and our current level of assets, and this trade moves our window for reaching contention by about 8 years.
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No one wants Lillard because he's not as good as Curry.
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red herring
that's not the point I was arguing...at all. I was saying that it's stupid to try and build a team around Simons as the foundational piece. If you want to keep Simons that's fine; I don't mind. But for fucksakes he has not come anywhere close to showing the level of talent, and the base of skills, for enough time, in enough circumstances, that you trade the franchise player to build around him. At this point he's a supporting player and you don't build a roster based upon a supporting player...unless you're the KIngs
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We don't if he is or can be a foundational player. If he is good enough, we'd find out soon enough, and be in great shape going forward. If he isn't... we'd find out soon enough, and have another lottery pick next year. Either way, we'd avoid another purgatory situation.
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