Around the NBA - July 2017 Edition

[Boob-No-More]

I wanted him here years ago. We never get anyone really good. It can't be about money can it?

To a large extent, it is about money. Because we're over the tax threshold, the most we can offer anyone is the tax payer MLE, which is a little over $5 million. Gibson got $14 million a year from the T-Wolves. No way was he going to turn down their $14 million to take our $5 million.

HOU used their non-tax payer MLE on P.J. Tucker. They were able to offer him $8 million per year with no state income tax. The most we could have offered him was $5 million a year with 9% state income tax.

Being over the luxury tax threshold prevents us from competing with teams that have cap space or have the full MLE. I think that's something like 27 teams that can offer more money than we can. One of the ~three that can't are the Cavs, and they can offer just as much as we can, plus the chance to chase a ring.

BNM

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

To a large extent, it is about money. Because we're over the tax threshold, the most we can offer anyone is the tax payer MLE, which is a little over $5 million. Gibson got $14 million a year from the T-Wolves. No way was he going to turn down their $14 million to take our $5 million.

HOU used their non-tax payer MLE on P.J. Tucker. They were able to offer him $8 million per year with no state income tax. The most we could have offered him was $5 million a year with 9% state income tax.

Being over the luxury tax threshold prevents us from competing with teams that have cap space or have the full MLE. I think that's something like 27 teams that can offer more money than we can. One of the ~three that can't are the Cavs, and they can offer just as much as we can, plus the chance to chase a ring.

BNM

Sorry, meant Thibs

 

[Boob-No-More]

Sorry, meant Thibs

Oops, thought you meant Gibson...

BNM

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Oops, thought you meant Gibson...

BNM

I wouldn't mind Gibson either. If you're Portland and can't attract free agents like LA or Miami or other more glamorous cities you should hire the best coach you can find.

 

[Scalma]

Olshey about to grab a cart.

 

[Trackjack]

It comes down to you pay players what they are worth not what the cap say you spend. I don't mind Crabbe but if it was me last year Crabbe would been a Net. ML would be playing in the G- league now because I properly wouldn't have offer him contract. I don't mind Turner but the contract would been 12-13 million a year.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Could Denny add to the like button as Facebook does so we can simply express anger instead of "like", without having to post a reply?

I hadn't heard that GS has agreed to a contract with Durant, yet. Is Durant salary included?

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Jeez these Crabbe and Turner contracts are looking worse and worse every passing day. Really decent players still available for SIGNIFICANTLY less money

 

[Trackjack]

I hadn't heard that GS has agreed to a contract with Durant, yet. Is Durant salary included?

His hold is but not his new contract he will sign.

 

[Nate]

Jeez these Crabbe and Turner contracts are looking worse and worse every passing day. Really decent players still available for SIGNIFICANTLY less money

Redick got 23 million

 

[Mediocre Man]

Redick got 23 million

One year

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Redick got 23 million

For 1 year. Thats not the same. Philly purposely overpaid for 1 year because they had the space and didnt want to tie it up for multiple years.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Redick got 23 million

And you could probably get Henderson Afflalo for the MLE, if we had it.

 

[Nate]

One year

Obviously.

 

[Scalma]

And you could probably get Henderson Afflalo for the MLE, if we had it.

Afflalo ain't getting more than what we could technically offer (5m). Henderson might, but I doubt that as well.

 

[Nate]

For 1 year. Thats not the same. Philly purposely overpaid for 1 year because they had the space and didnt want to tie it up for multiple years.

Redick got 23 million

 

[Nate]

And you could probably get Henderson Afflalo for the MLE, if we had it.

Redick got 23 million

 

[Trackjack]

Jeez these Crabbe and Turner contracts are looking worse and worse every passing day. Really decent players still available for SIGNIFICANTLY less money

If those players don't live up to there contracts this year then I will be questioning Olshey if he capible to handle the salary cap the smart way. I don't what to here about the owner that have deep pockets that don't work for me. What works me to always have flexibility so you can make moves to better your club. We got some contracts are tradable but if we do trade will that make us better. If it does it properly won't be the big impact you want.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Afflalo ain't getting more than what we could technically offer (5m). Henderson might, but I doubt that as well.

My point is, they'd be ~1/3 of the price for Crabbe, and almost just as valuable

 

[Chris Craig]

Well the Nets and Suns are waiting on some salary dumps lets go neil

 

[Trackjack]

Now we can bring back Henderson some way that will be good pick up for us.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Redick got 23 million

For one year. With most of their roster on rookie scale contracts, PHI needs a few ridiculous contracts just to get to the salary floor. Luxury tax, or even being over the cap, are not issues for them for them. They willingly, and knowingly overpaid Redick for one year to keep him from signing a multi-year deal elsewhere. They are looking to sign other vets for overpriced 1-year deals as well for this same reason.

They want to make the playoffs this year to appease their fans and their players and then will jettison Redick when their young guys start coming off their cheap rookie contracts and start getting those big extension.

BNM

 

[Chris Craig]

Olshey about to grab a cart.

Theres going to be a lot of players underpaid or without teams because so much money is being thrown around to few players.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Theres going to be a lot of players underpaid or without teams because so much money is being thrown around to few players.

Second tier FAs are already "settling" for the full non-tax payer MLE. Many of those guys will be underpaid compared to a lot of comparable talent that was signed last summer, but that's the reality of the current situation.

BNM

 

[Chris Craig]

Second tier FAs are already "settling" for the full non-tax payer MLE. Many of those guys will be underpaid compared to a lot of comparable talent that was signed last summer, but that's the reality of the current situation.

BNM

I hope Silver is happy

 

[TBpup]

Wolves get tougher. At least they didn't get Milsap.

Minnesota will definitely be better!

 

[Boob-No-More]

This is like a Black Friday sale and Neil is the only one without the coupon codes. He can only stand back and watch as all the other shoppers snap up the best deals.

BNM

 

[Destroyer of Worlds]

For 1 year. Thats not the same. Philly purposely overpaid for 1 year because they had the space and didnt want to tie it up for multiple years.

Their original offer was between 18-20 mill for one season. That tells me Redick was getting offers of multi year starting at at least 18 mill. In order to give up that extra year or years, sounds like they bumped up to 23 million. Additionally, if you want to tank for 10 years straight, I don't think the Sixers are a great franchise to replicate. Also, hard to build a contender or chemistry when you have players making one year pit stops, unless they are ring chasing. You aren't ring chasing with rookies.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Minnesota will definitely be better!

Good, I'm glad!! It's time for a new GM.

 

[Destroyer of Worlds]

This is like a Black Friday sale and Neil is the only one without the coupon codes. He can only stand back and watch as all the other shoppers snap up the best deals.

BNM

What do you think Neil would've gotten this off season if we didn't sign ET/Crabbe?

Pretty sure we still wouldn't have the cap space required to do anything of significance. Unless adding Taj Gibson for 14 mill is the 'bargain' move and 'best' deal. I'd rather have Crabbe and Turner than any single player that we could've gotten with our cap space - assuming players would've chosen us and teams with cap space didn't just increase their offer. Admittedly, I am not aware of every signing, but having negligible cap space for this off season doesn't do anything beneficial for us when contracts are still massive and we would've had very limited cap space in a perfect scenario.

Also, if we don't have ET/Crabbe, our guard rotation is suddenly a lot worse and we don't have a tertiary ball handler with size, which is something we knew we needed after golden state two years ago. Because we would've lost Crabbe for nothing. Not sure how we would have replaced Turner, but I'm pretty sure we had to move quickly.