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Natebishop3 said:
The problem is the money. Gasol makes $22.6 million. So in order to clear enough space, you'd have to do something like this.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yao8av75

Bradley and Crowder wouldn't be especially interesting for Memphis, because they'd be essentially going young. So they'd want guys like Harkless, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, and Vonleh.
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That actually seems like a fair deal for everyone involved, even if we only have Bradley for one season.
 
blue9 said:
Does BOS still miss Turner? Probably not enough. Turner for Bradley/Crowder :) : http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7wnz8at

Aminu/Vonleh for Crowder/Smart? :) http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycpvjsyb
Turner/Vonleh for Bradley/Crowder/Jackson: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc5re2s7
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They're trying to reduce salary...both your Turner trades add salary to Boston. Not to mention, the only reason they'd want to deal Crowder is a small forward logjam. Trading Crowder and getting back a worse small forward (who makes much more) doesn't seem like something they'd do. ;)

And Aminu/Vonleh isn't nearly enough value for Crowder and Smart, nor does it even save them much money. Only like a million bucks. They need to shed something like $3M.
 


It doens't make any sense for Memphis to trade for Bradley or Crowder. Those guys are role players at best. Bradley has one year left on his deal. Smart is a good prospect, but it would take at least Smart, Brown, and a pick. This is why I think we could get involved.
 
Natebishop3 said:


It doens't make any sense for Memphis to trade for Bradley or Crowder. Those guys are role players at best. Bradley has one year left on his deal. Smart is a good prospect, but it would take at least Smart, Brown, and a pick. This is why I think we could get involved.
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I don't think Portland has particularly attractive assets to get involved with. A group of people on this forum seems to think Vonleh is a valuable trade chip, but I have my doubts that he's seen as one league-wide.
 
Wonder if BOS is going to sell high on Tatum for Gasol.

Tatum, next years philly pick, and salary filler for Gasol?

That Philly pick is overrated, they could be outside the lottery next year.
 
Minstrel said:
I don't think Portland has particularly attractive assets to get involved with. A group of people on this forum seems to think Vonleh is a valuable trade chip, but I have my doubts that he's seen as one league-wide.
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I think a mix of young talent could be attractive. He's the thing, unless Boston is willing to offload their young talent to get Gasol, it's not gonna happen. And by young talent, I mean Tatum/Smart/Brown.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Wonder if BOS is going to sell high on Tatum for Gasol.

Tatum, next years philly pick, and salary filler for Gasol?

That Philly pick is overrated, they could be outside the lottery next year.
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They would have to gut the team to do it by themselves. He makes 23 million per year. They don't have any big contracts to match up.
 
Yeah it looks like if Boston wants Gasol, they would have to dump crowder and Bradley's contracts. Memphis would have zero need for either one in a rebuild scenario. So you'd be looking for a team that not only has a need for crowder/Bradley, but also has cheap/young talent to send Memphis. Portland could be one of those teams. Vonleh and Harkless should interest Memphis.
 
Minstrel said:
They're trying to reduce salary...both your Turner trades add salary to Boston. Not to mention, the only reason they'd want to deal Crowder is a small forward logjam. Trading Crowder and getting back a worse small forward (who makes much more) doesn't seem like something they'd do. ;)
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Agreed - it's mostly wishful thinking on my part. But part of my wishful thinking included the idea that Turner would not strictly be playing SF, but would be able to play back-up at PG, SG, and SF, alleviating the logjam by turning two players into one, and allowing BOS to further jettison a PG without worrying about a replacement. But I think we're stuck with Turner on our roster for at least another season.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
That Philly pick is overrated, they could be outside the lottery next year.
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They don't have next year's Philadelphia pick--they have next year's Lakers pick (owned currently by Philadelphia) which is protected from 2-5 (Philadelphia keeps it if it doesn't fall within that range). If that pick doesn't convey, they get Sacramento's unprotected pick in 2019.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If you're Memphis, would you rather have Crabbe or Harkless? I would personally rather have Harkless. I think Memphis could put Gasol on the open market and get better offers.
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Shhhhhh!
 
I'm not entirely sure how much space Boston needs to create to sign Hayward, but they're already capped out.

If I'm Memphis, I want a combination of talented young players and probably draft picks, so guys like Bradley and Crowder wouldn't interest me. I would want guys like Smart, Brown, and Tatum. Well, those three players collectively only would make around $15,139,900. Gasol's contract next year is $22,642,350. Boston would be a little over $7 million short, and I'm not sure if Boston would really want to give up Smart, Brown, AND Tatum. I think they'd be willing to move Brown OR Tatum, but not both.
 
Driew said:
You think a struggling east team would give up a draft pick for a veteran? Seems like backward thinking to me.
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blue9 said:
Does BOS still miss Turner? Probably not enough. Turner for Bradley/Crowder :) : http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7wnz8at

Aminu/Vonleh for Crowder/Smart? :) http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycpvjsyb
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycpvjsyb
Turner/Vonleh for Bradley/Crowder/Jackson: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc5re2s7
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You guys would rather have Harkless just because of his age. Hes never going to be a star player. I'd rather have Aminu. He may be inconsistent at times but I like his grittiness and toughness.
 
Boston needs to clear $3M, and send out $18M to bring back Gasol. How do they get that done?? Crowder, Smart, Brown, and Rozier would be enough for Gasol, but they'd have to clear $3M before-hand?

I don't think they'll get Gasol. They don't have to ability to work that under the CBA unless they trade Bradley instead of Smart, but trading Bradley and pieces for Gasol seems counter-intuitive, because they would fill their frontcourt by adding Gasol to Horford, but they'd have a gaping hole at SG.
 
BigGameDamian said:
You guys would rather have Harkless just because of his age. Hes never going to be a star player. I'd rather have Aminu. He may be inconsistent at times but I like his grittiness and toughness.
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I try to stick up for you from time to time, but it's tough when you like Aminu over Harkless. Age has nothing to do with it - it's skills vs no skills. Aminu isn't gritty or tough - he's just long and dumb.
 
BonesJones said:
Boston needs to clear $3M, and send out $18M to bring back Gasol. How do they get that done?? Crowder, Smart, Brown, and Rozier would be enough for Gasol, but they'd have to clear $3M before-hand?

I don't think they'll get Gasol. They don't have to ability to work that under the CBA unless they trade Bradley instead of Smart, but trading Bradley and pieces for Gasol seems counter-intuitive, because they would fill their frontcourt by adding Gasol to Horford, but they'd have a gaping hole at SG.
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I think they'd have to replace Brown with Tatum. Memphis isn't really under any pressure to trade Gasol. He still has 3 years left on his contract. They just dumped a ton of cash on Mike Conley and Parsons. They're pretty much fucked. People bitch about our current situation, but Memphis is paying 29 year old Mike Conley $28.5 million next year, busted up Chandler Parsons is making $23 million next year, and 32 year old Gasol is making $22.6 million. Would anyone here trade Dame/CJ/Nurk for a core of Conley, Gasol, and Parsons? Fuck... no....
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think they'd have to replace Brown with Tatum. Memphis isn't really under any pressure to trade Gasol. He still has 3 years left on his contract. They just dumped a ton of cash on Mike Conley and Parsons. They're pretty much fucked. People bitch about our current situation, but Memphis is paying 29 year old Mike Conley $28.5 million next year, busted up Chandler Parsons is making $23 million next year, and 32 year old Gasol is making $22.6 million. Would anyone here trade Dame/CJ/Nurk for a core of Conley, Gasol, and Parsons? Fuck... no....
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But no one is really complaining about the money Dame, CJ and Nurk will make. It's the other guys...
 
Natebishop3 said:
Would anyone here trade Dame/CJ/Nurk for a core of Conley, Gasol, and Parsons? Fuck... no....
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I think the more appropriate question is probably "Would anyone trade Meyers/Crabbe/Turner for Conley/Parsons/Gasol?" I think there'd be some takers, but honestly it's still not all that enticing given Parsons' contract, and paying that sort of money for back-up PG and C would be rather stupid.
 
trailblazer18 said:
But no one is really complaining about the money Dame, CJ and Nurk will make. It's the other guys...
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Regardless, we have a very talented young core, and though our role players are making too much money, when those contracts expire, Dame/CJ/Nurk will still be in their prime. Our situation is not that bad. Memphis has an aging core and really no youth to build around for the future.
 
In any scenario, we could find a 3rd team to take Davis or Aminu and send our 2018 1st to Boston.
BOS Gets: 2018 1st, Cash (via Team3)
POR Gets: Crowder
Team3 Gets: Davis/Aminu, 2020 POR 2nd

If they are actually going after Gasol, they could trade or cut Smart, sign Hayward, and then send out $18M for Gasol. To get this done, they'd have to send out Avery Bradley, who we could target as well.

MEM Gets: 2018 POR 1st, (Harkless, Davis, or Aminu), Brown, Rozier, Mickey, Jackson
POR Gets: Avery Bradley
BOS Gets: Marc Gasol

Boston lineup:
Thomas / Vet FA
Crowder / Vet FA
Hayward / Tatum
Horford / Vet FA
Gasol / Vet FA

Portland lineup:
Lillard / Bradley
McCollum / Bradley
Crabbe / Turner
Vonleh / Davis / Aminu
Nurkic / Collins
 
BonesJones said:
In any scenario, we could find a 3rd team to take Davis or Aminu and send our 2018 1st to Boston.
BOS Gets: 2018 1st, Cash (via Team3)
POR Gets: Crowder
Team3 Gets: Davis/Aminu, 2020 POR 2nd

If they are actually going after Gasol, they could trade or cut Smart, sign Hayward, and then send out $18M for Gasol. To get this done, they'd have to send out Avery Bradley, who we could target as well.

MEM Gets: 2018 POR 1st, (Harkless, Davis, or Aminu), Brown, Rozier, Mickey, Jackson
POR Gets: Avery Bradley
BOS Gets: Marc Gasol

Boston lineup:
Thomas / Vet FA
Crowder / Vet FA
Hayward / Tatum
Horford / Vet FA
Gasol / Vet FA

Portland lineup:
Lillard / Bradley
McCollum / Bradley
Crabbe / Turner
Vonleh / Davis / Aminu
Nurkic / Collins
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Did you see my trade?

Portland gets Crowder/Bradley.

Boston gets Gasol.

Memphis gets Harkless/Brown/Smart/Vonleh and a pick from us if that's necessary.

Dame/Bradley
CJ/Turner/Patty
Crowder/Aminu/Layman
Collins/Swanigan
Nurk/Davis/Meyers
 
BonesJones said:
In any scenario, we could find a 3rd team to take Davis or Aminu and send our 2018 1st to Boston.
BOS Gets: 2018 1st, Cash (via Team3)
POR Gets: Crowder
Team3 Gets: Davis/Aminu, 2020 POR 2nd

If they are actually going after Gasol, they could trade or cut Smart, sign Hayward, and then send out $18M for Gasol. To get this done, they'd have to send out Avery Bradley, who we could target as well.

MEM Gets: 2018 POR 1st, (Harkless, Davis, or Aminu), Brown, Rozier, Mickey, Jackson
POR Gets: Avery Bradley
BOS Gets: Marc Gasol

Boston lineup:
Thomas / Vet FA
Crowder / Vet FA
Hayward / Tatum
Horford / Vet FA
Gasol / Vet FA

Portland lineup:
Lillard / Bradley
McCollum / Bradley
Crabbe / Turner
Vonleh / Davis / Aminu
Nurkic / Collins
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I like that but think you could do the following with the bench:

Portland lineup:
Lillard / Turner
McCollum / Bradley
Crabbe / Aminu
Vonleh / Davis
Nurkic / Collins
 
blue9 said:
I think the more appropriate question is probably "Would anyone trade Meyers/Crabbe/Turner for Conley/Parsons/Gasol?" I think there'd be some takers, but honestly it's still not all that enticing given Parsons' contract, and paying that sort of money for back-up PG and C would be rather stupid.
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It's not enticing? I'd do that in a heartbeat. That would be awesome... Conley would be great as a 3rd guard, and we'd just go twin towers with Gasol and Nurkic, and physically beat teams up in the frontcourt while our backcourt lights them up.

Lillard / Conley
McCollum / Conley
Harkless / Parsons
Gasol / Vonleh
Nurkic / Collins

That frontcourt is built to beat Golden State. That backcourt is built to keep up with them. Parsons, if healthy, would be better than last year. He's not a 23% 3pt shooter or whatever it was. Conley would likely be fine with a 3rd guard spot playing 30mpg, getting $30M a year. Conley/Lillard/Harkless/Gasol/Nurkic would be a fun ass lineup, and we'd have the best pick n roll in the league.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Did you see my trade?

Portland gets Crowder/Bradley.

Boston gets Gasol.

Memphis gets Harkless/Brown/Smart/Vonleh and a pick from us if that's necessary.

Dame/Bradley
CJ/Turner/Patty
Crowder/Aminu/Layman
Collins/Swanigan
Nurk/Davis/Meyers
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How would they clear cap space for Hayward?

By cutting Mickey and Jackson while trading Rozier, they'd still need to clear $1M in cap space to sign Hayward.
 
BonesJones said:
How would they clear cap space for Hayward?

By cutting Mickey and Jackson while trading Rozier, they'd still need to clear $1M in cap space to sign Hayward.
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They'd only need to clear $1 million?

Two words:

Cash.

Considerations.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I like that but think you could do the following with the bench:

Portland lineup:
Lillard / Turner
McCollum / Bradley
Crabbe / Aminu
Vonleh / Davis
Nurkic / Collins
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That makes no sense whatsoever. Bradley would only play 13mpg? How would the minutes work out? Bradley needs all the guard minutes that aren't taken up by Lillard and McCollum.

Lillard (35) / Bradley (13)
McCollum (35) Bradley (13)
Crabbe (24) / Turner (21) / Bradley (3)
Vonleh (16) / Davis (16) / Aminu (16)
Nurkic (33) / Collins (15)

Bradley would end up with 29 minutes a game. We'd go super small for a 3 minute stretch each game with Lillard/McCollum/Bradley
 
Natebishop3 said:
They'd only need to clear $1 million?

Two words:

Cash.

Considerations.
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Yeah, but the only contracts left to clear would be Brown, Smart, Bradley, and Crowder. They're going to have to get rid of one of them to sign Hayward. In order to sign Hayward and trade for Gasol, they'll have to get rid of one of Brown, Smart, or Crowder to sign Hayward, then trade out the other two along with Bradley to make the salaries match in order to bring in Gasol.

In your trade scenario, you don't have them clearing enough cap space to sign Hayward, and if they sent us Crowder they wouldn't be sending enough outgoing salary to bring in Gasol.
 
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