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santeesioux said:
Maybe I'm being over dramatic, but if Utah keeps GH I really think we'll be the worst team in the division and miss out on the playoffs.
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I don't know about that--I still wouldn't pick Denver ahead of Portland just because of Milsap. But this is going to be the most competitive division in the NBA, especially if Hayward stays in Utah. I could imagine Portland finishing fourth (in the eventuality that Hayward stays).
 
dviss1 said:
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dviss1 said:
Not sure if you can fathom how silly this post is.
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I love Nurkic. But last time I checked he was one player and we already had him on our roster. If he turns into a defensive wing or a scrappy backup PG who can help shut down CP3 or Curry, let me know.
 
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ripcityboy said:
I love Nurkic. But last time I checked he was one player and we already had him on our roster. If he turns into a defensive wing or a scrappy backup PG who can shut down CP3 or Curry, let me know.
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"One player." Yeah he's one player. A gamechanger. Portlands most valuable player. With Nurkic Portland beat pretty much everybody they played, including a bunch of teams with their playoff lives on the line. It wasn't a fluke. This team as currently structured will win a minimum of 50 games next year.
 
Dame goes to Neil, asks for talent. "We got you two unproven rookies"

Dame watches teams in division get better.

How long before dame says fuck this shit because it looks like we are asking dame and cj to carry the offensive load again while not improving our team. And it has everything to do with Neil's shitty off season last summer.
 
Scalma said:
"One player." Yeah he's one player. A gamechanger. Portlands most valuable player. With Nurkic Portland beat pretty much everybody they played, including a bunch of teams with their playoff lives on the line. It wasn't a fluke. This team as currently structured will win a minimum of 50 games next year.
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I am not saying he's not good but when your constantly starving for talent, isn't it really easy to "overvalue" someone's impact. A thirsty person thinks a sip of water is an oasis. He still has to prove he can stay healthy and on the floor for an entire season. And when he's not on our chances of winning go down drastically. If Collins has an impact then I say we have much better chances. It's not that we don't have good players, its just the drop off in all talent when all three are off is severe.
 
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Cippy91 said:
Dame goes to Neil, asks for talent. "We got you two unproven rookies"

Dame watches teams in division get better.

How long before dame says fuck this shit because it looks like we are asking dame and cj to carry the offensive load again while not improving our team. And it has everything to do with Neil's shitty off season last summer.
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With our luck Dame and CJ will be coming up an end of their contracts before Collins shows something then we get stuck paying 30 year old Dame/CJ 60+ mil per season combined
 
Holy fucking shit. Paul Millsap 30 million a year? I assume Denver will have the option to opt out? If not that is crazy to give a good but not great 32 year old that kind of money. Talk about over paying because they have problems with attracting free agents.
 
So will Faried be traded or will he comevoff the bench now that Denver signed Milsap
 
ripcityboy said:
I love Nurkic. But last time I checked he was one player and we already had him on our roster. If he turns into a defensive wing or a scrappy backup PG who can shut down CP3 or Curry, let me know.
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Okay so let me break it down for you:

When Nurkić came to our team last season he wasn't in game shape and still was able to do what he did. Mid season acquisitions rarely have that type of impact. Let alone while being out of shape.

He's never had a training camp.
He's never had a preseason.
He barely knows our full offense.

And for some reason you don't seem to understand that the out of shape, not fully integrated Nurkić did this:
  • Before Nurkic: 45.4 FG%, 35.9 3P%, 106.8 offensive rating
  • Since Nurkic: 48.4 FG%, 42.1 3P%, 110.4 offensive rating
What's an in shape Nurk who understands the playbook fully gonna get us?
 
dviss1 said:
Okay so let me break it down for you:

When Nurkić came to our team last season he wasn't in game shape and still was able to do what he did. Mid season acquisitions rarely have that type of impact. Let alone while being out of shape.

He's never had a training camp.
He's never had a preseason.
He barely knows our full offense.

And for some reason you don't seem to understand that the out of shape, not fully integrated Nurkić did this:
  • Before Nurkic: 45.4 FG%, 35.9 3P%, 106.8 offensive rating
  • Since Nurkic: 48.4 FG%, 42.1 3P%, 110.4 offensive rating
What's an in shape Nurk who understands the playbook fully gonna get us?
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No I do understand. I just disagree that he is going to make such a huge difference that we are suddenly a sure fire playoff contender in the West now. He will be a great player when he is on the court for sure though.
 
ripcityboy said:
No I do understand. I just disagree that he is going to make such a huge difference that we are suddenly a sure fire playoff contender in the West now. He will be a great player when he is on the court for sure though.
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There's no one who can guard Nurk. We literally have 3 unguardable players. All of which you can run the offense through. :blink:
 
dviss1 said:
Okay so let me break it down for you:

When Nurkić came to our team last season he wasn't in game shape and still was able to do what he did. Mid season acquisitions rarely have that type of impact. Let alone while being out of shape.

He's never had a training camp.
He's never had a preseason.
He barely knows our full offense.

And for some reason you don't seem to understand that the out of shape, not fully integrated Nurkić did this:
  • Before Nurkic: 45.4 FG%, 35.9 3P%, 106.8 offensive rating
  • Since Nurkic: 48.4 FG%, 42.1 3P%, 110.4 offensive rating
What's an in shape Nurk who understands the playbook fully gonna get us?
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I'm excited to see a healthy, rejuvenated Nurkic along with our newest additions in Zach and Swanigan. We may not win the championship, but I sure will enjoy watching our team play during the 2017-18 season in a highly competitive division.
 
dviss1 said:
What's an in shape Nurk who understands the playbook fully gonna get us?
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Impressive numbers to be sure. But, remember, teams will also have more time to scout him and how the team used him and exploit Nurk's weaknesses (covering pick-n-rolls, etc).

Many on the forum are expecting a jump to a 50+ win team due to the Nurk Effect. Given how almost every team in the West improved this offseason, I'm fully expecting another 40-45 win season and, with it, the end of Olshey's tenure in Portland.
 
brooklynballer said:
Impressive numbers to be sure. But, remember, teams will also have more time to scout him and how the team used him and exploit Nurk's weaknesses (covering pick-n-rolls, etc).

Many on the forum are expecting a jump to a 50+ win team due to the Nurk Effect. Given how almost every team in the West improved this offseason, I'm fully expecting another 40-45 win season and, with it, the end of Olshey's tenure in Portland.
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Did you just pull that one out of your ass? It's like you have no clue who we just traded for. It's like you haven't done any research or seen him play before he put on scarlet and black. Nurkic doesn't have nor has ever had problems defending the pick-and-roll. You just made that up after looking at his height and weight huh? One of his strengths is being extremely light on his feet.

Bruh.... The play at 7:08:



Now you'll see in the weaknesses when they talk about some defensive plays it's mainly because he's reaching a lot. Other than reaching sometimes instead of moving his feet in the pick-and-roll he's an excellent pick-and-roll Defender.
 
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Honestly, I didn't really see many flaws in Nurk's game. The only flaws I saw where with his some of his post moves and dribbling. He can really leave himself out there for somebody to pick off sometimes. No reason to think that won't get better after working with Vanderpool.
 
dviss1 said:
Okay so let me break it down for you:

When Nurkić came to our team last season he wasn't in game shape and still was able to do what he did. Mid season acquisitions rarely have that type of impact. Let alone while being out of shape.

He's never had a training camp.
He's never had a preseason.
He barely knows our full offense.

And for some reason you don't seem to understand that the out of shape, not fully integrated Nurkić did this:
  • Before Nurkic: 45.4 FG%, 35.9 3P%, 106.8 offensive rating
  • Since Nurkic: 48.4 FG%, 42.1 3P%, 110.4 offensive rating
What's an in shape Nurk who understands the playbook fully gonna get us?
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It is true that we cannot know for sure. But, I do agree that the Nurk effect was real. It improved the team synergistically beyond what his skill set alone brings. On offense it plugged several holes and increases the versatility dramatically. On defense, he is just a big body that seems to get in the way, and gets some decent rim protection on occasion.

In think the Nurk effect and some rebound seasons from Crabbe and one or two others will get us home court in the first round.
 
Cippy91 said:
Dame goes to Neil, asks for talent. "We got you two unproven rookies"

Dame watches teams in division get better.

How long before dame says fuck this shit because it looks like we are asking dame and cj to carry the offensive load again while not improving our team. And it has everything to do with Neil's shitty off season last summer.
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Oh I'm sure Dame is jumping to conclusions like many on this forum.
 
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