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BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
You know the next cba should have a clause to help teams out when they lose a high level free agent. (Like a first round draft pick if they lost an all star player or a lottery spot of if they lost an all-NBA player).
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Great idea. Of course the teams that tank would throw a fit. It would make sucking on purpose kind of redundant. But I can see a on extra competative balance draft pick as being perfect.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Because teams shouldn't be left with no compensation from losing a high level player, the NFL does something similar. It's not a first they get but a 3rd usually which is still a great asset to teams.

At the end of the day it promotes parity imo.
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The NFL is soooooooo much better at promoting parity.

I think the NBA should just do away with East/West and have the top 16 teams in the playoffs.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Because teams shouldn't be left with no compensation from losing a high level player, the NFL does something similar. It's not a first they get but a 3rd usually which is still a great asset to teams.

At the end of the day it promotes parity imo.
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The team with the high level player can pay more to keep that player then other teams.

How do you just give a team a draft pick? You mean the team that signs the player has to give up their draft pick? What if they have already have traded it?
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Because teams shouldn't be left with no compensation from losing a high level player, the NFL does something similar. It's not a first they get but a 3rd usually which is still a great asset to teams.

At the end of the day it promotes parity imo.
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Baseball does something similar. The picks used to be between the first and second round but now I believe it's late second round picks to teams that lose Type A (first time free agents.) The whole point of parity isn't that you make every thing even it's that you give losing teams more options. That would be harder at the NBA level but with the growing G league and gathering picks.... it opens other doors. Teams would also be able to free up cap space by not being forced to sign a player they can't afford to lose. It would help a team like Portland.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
That sucks for us because if Hayward was on our team he could be our best player.
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No he wouldn't and it's not close. Lillard is better statistically, a much better leader and plays a more important position in today's NBA.

Hayward is a very good player, but he made the all star team for two reasons: team record, UTA had a much better record than us at the all star break and somebody from UTA had to make it; position - the PG position is insanely deep in the West, SF, not so much (although the recent East - West migration changes that a bit).

If Gordon Hayward shocked the world and took our tax payer MLE, he would be neck-and-neck with C.J. as our current 2nd best player. If that happened, Nurk could eventually pass them both a year or two in this alternate universe version of the future. Even if they were still scoring more, Nurk does so many other things that help the team he could become our second "best" player even if he was 4th on the team in scoring.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
No he wouldn't and it's not close. Lillard is better statistically, a much better leader and plays a more important position in today's NBA.

Hayward is a very good player, but he made the all star team for two reasons: team record, UTA had a much better record than us at the all star break and somebody from UTA had to make it; position - the PG position is insanely deep in the West, SF, not so much (although the recent East - West migration changes that a bit).

If Gordon Hayward shocked the world and took our tax payer MLE, he would be neck-and-neck with C.J. as our current 2nd best player. If that happened, Nurk could eventually pass them both a year or two in this alternate universe version of the future. Even if they were still scoring more, Nurk does so many other things that help the team he could become our second "best" player even if he was 4th on the team in scoring.

BNM
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You forgot one word. Defense.

I would say having a top tier wing is more important than a pg, pg's are a dime a dozen right now.
 
Gallinari to LAC. With a decent pg, they are right back in the playoff mix
 
JFizzleRaider said:
You forgot one word. Defense.

I would say having a top tier wing is more important than a pg, pg's are a dime a dozen right now.
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Ehhhhhhhh I don't know about that. Dame has never had Gobert backing him up.

Gobert's first season was 2013-2014, and he didn't really start getting minutes until 2014-2015... and surprise surprise, that's EXACTLY when Hayward's defensive numbers improved. Kinda shocking, right?

Check this shit out -

Pre-Gobert:

DRtg -
113
109
110
111

DWS-
0.4
1.0
1.2
1.5

Post-Gobert:

DRtg -
105
105
106

DWS -
2.9
3.4
3.3
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'd rather just have the best 16 teams in the playoffs, regardless of where they're located.
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Hear me out though...

Imagine a league like this

American Basketball Conference:

West:
GSW
LAC
SAC
UTH
OKC

South:
HOU
DAL
ORL
ATL
IND

North:
BOS
NY
CHI
DET
BKN

National Basketball Conference:

West:
POR
LAL
DEN
PHX
SA

South:
MEM
NO
MIA
CHA
WAS

North:
CLE
TOR
MIN
MIL
PHI
 
Natebishop3 said:
Ehhhhhhhh I don't know about that. Dame has never had Gobert backing him up.

Gobert's first season was 2013-2014, and he didn't really start getting minutes until 2014-2015... and surprise surprise, that's EXACTLY when Hayward's defensive numbers improved. Kinda shocking, right?
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Come on man. Gobert or not, hayward is a better defender in the league than Dame.

Obviously gobert helps the drating, but really?

I would trade CJ for an instant for Hayward.

I would be hesitant with Lillard, but it wouldn't shock me if other fans without rose colored glasses picked Hayward over Lillard.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
For shits and giggles I wanted to compare Gallinari and Hayward:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1_hint=Danilo Gallinari&player_id1_select=Danilo Gallinari&y1=2017&player_id1=gallida01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Gordon Hayward&player_id2_select=Gordon Hayward&y2=2017&player_id2=haywago01&idx=players

Does anyone think that acquiring Gallinari would be a huge deal?
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He's Gallinari with much better defense and the ability to create for teammates. That would be an exciting player to get, yeah.
 
The Kings could get their shit together enough to challenge for the 8th seed if a couple of those rookies come to play early. Great job by the Kings front office on the rebuild.
 
Dame's best season defensively was 2014-2015, when we still had Wes, Nic, Rolo, and LMA.

He posted a DRtg of 105 and a DWS of 3.3.

That's right there with the best numbers that Hayward has put up defensively, but he's a MUCH MUCH better offensive player than Hayward.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Dame's best season defensively was 2014-2015, when we still had Wes, Nic, Rolo, and LMA.

He posted a DRtg of 105 and a DWS of 3.3.

That's right there with the best numbers that Hayward has put up defensively, but he's a MUCH MUCH better offensive player than Hayward.
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Honest question, have you watched any Jazz games besides when they have played Portland?
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Come on man. Gobert or not, hayward is a better defender in the league than Dame.

Obviously gobert helps the drating, but really?

I would trade CJ for an instant for Hayward.

I would be hesitant with Lillard, but it wouldn't shock me if other fans without rose colored glasses picked Hayward over Lillard.
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Check the stats man. When Dame had a decent defensive team around him, he put up the same numbers as Hayward. The Jazz didn't really improve until they added a very good rim protector. Defense is just as much about system as it is about individual effort.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Check the stats man. When Dame had a decent defensive team around him, he put up the same numbers as Hayward. The Jazz didn't really improve until they added a very good rim protector. Defense is just as much about system as it is about individual effort.
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I check stats all the time. Anybody can warp them into supporting whatever they want all day.

Lillard sucks at defense, hayward has shown times of struggling but is not anywhere near a liability on d like dame is. You'd know that by watching the games.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
I check stats all the time. Anybody can warp them into supporting whatever they want all day.

Lillard sucks at defense, hayward has shown times of struggling but is not anywhere near a liability on d like dame is. You'd know that by watching the games.
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Dame literally defends the most talented position in the NBA.

What stat do you put credence in, or are you only willing to accept anecdotal?
 
Hayward improved all areas of his game this season. He went from borderline all star to superstar. He plays both ends. I don't know if he's a better player than Dame when you take everything into account, but he's definitely better than CJ.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Check the stats man. When Dame had a decent defensive team around him, he put up the same numbers as Hayward. The Jazz didn't really improve until they added a very good rim protector. Defense is just as much about system as it is about individual effort.
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This is correct. System matters. It's when you have a great system with guys who completely buy in, that you get great defensive teams
 
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