Event Around the NBA: Oh hell, it's December 2025! (2 Viewers)

[SlyPokerDog]

E. Campbell died of drowning after medical issue

Former basketball player Elden Campbell died Monday from drowning after suffering a medical emergency while out fishing, his sister and a Broward County official confirmed.

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[blazerkor]

pretty sure that would be BRI...because the revenue would be coming from China

I don't get what you're saying. I'm saying that we would get more dollars from an American company because that company has business in China but all of the money being exchanged would be here in the U.S.

 

[wizenheimer]

I don't get what you're saying. I'm saying that we would get more dollars from an American company because that company has business in China but all of the money being exchanged would be here in the U.S.

oh...ok. I see what you meant now

still, it may still be part of BRI. Arena naming rights is:




I think people may not have noticed that the last 2 or 3 CBA's have really cast a wide net around almost all potential revenue. It's not just the League casting the net, it's also the players and the NBPA.

 

[kjironman1]

no, there isn't; at least not international revenue. The NBA has worked to include those sources in the BRI and one of the reasons was what Houston did with Yao Ming. And it wasn't just the NBA, it was also the Player's Union. They both noticed the potential of international revenue and subsequent CBA's swept those sources into the BRI

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as I've been saying, the NBA and the NBPA have made sure to sweep just about all of the international revenue into the BRI pie. If there are avenues for the Blazers to earn any significant revenue in China that the NBA doesn't control I haven't heard of them

There is a ton of revenue you have not touched here.

 

[kjironman1]

pretty sure that would be BRI...because the revenue would be coming from China

When is the last time you went to a game?

 

[wizenheimer]

There is a ton of revenue you have not touched here.

list it

 

[kjironman1]

list it

BRI is only a fundamental metric in the NBA's business model. It is the total aggregate operating revenue used to determine the annual salary cap, with players guaranteed approximately 49% to 51% of the total revenue generated. So that leaves essentially 50% of that same revenue to the team.
Now when talking about seating and Luxury boxes you have some validity to your argument but really only a portion because those prices will increase.
Now again... When was the last time you actually attended a Blazer game?

Also the Teams physical Assets are not included. So you can start a search there. I'm not going to do all that research for you.
Then you can start with the revenue sharing part that they get to keep.

 

[kjironman1]

This is like having a conversation with my ex wife who always hates an idea of making more money because she might have to pay taxes and lose her welfare benefits.

 

[THE HCP]

 

[THE HCP]

FAMS! That could go to any of those top 4 guys and it would be justified, well maybe not Duren. I didn’t realize Jalen Johnson is Christian Wood’s cousin!

 

[wizenheimer]

BRI is only a fundamental metric in the NBA's business model. It is the total aggregate operating revenue used to determine the annual salary cap, with players guaranteed approximately 49% to 51% of the total revenue generated. So that leaves essentially 50% of that same revenue to the team.
Now when talking about seating and Luxury boxes you have some validity to your argument but really only a portion because those prices will increase.
Now again... When was the last time you actually attended a Blazer game?

Also the Teams physical Assets are not included. So you can start a search there. I'm not going to do all that research for you.
Then you can start with the revenue sharing part that they get to keep.

"BRI is only a fundamental metric in the NBA's business model. It is the total aggregate operating revenue used to determine the annual salary cap, with players guaranteed approximately 49% to 51% of the total revenue generated. So that leaves essentially 50% of that same revenue to the team."

OK....you've generally defined what BRI is but basketball-related-income is pretty self explanatory

"Now when talking about seating and Luxury boxes you have some validity to your argument but really only a portion because those prices will increase."

those prices always increase, but there's not a shred of evidence they have increased, or will increase, because of Yang. There's also no rational reason to believe they will

"Also the Teams physical Assets are not included. So you can start a search there. I'm not going to do all that research for you."

wut? "included" in what? Are you saying the Blazer practice facility became more valuable because of Yang?

"Then you can start with the revenue sharing part that they get to keep."

that is exactly what I've been talking about. That just about all of the avenues for revenue out of China have been swept up and included as BRI by changes in the last 2-3 CBA's. And it wasn't just the NBA pushing those changes, it was also, and in some cases, mainly, the player's union. Just about all revenue generated internationally goes to BRI

there have even been significant CBA changes to the revenue generated at home games and at NBA arenas:





Again....a lot of this has been due to pressure from players and the player's union. Their goal has to been to amp up BRI as much as possible because they get half. A lot of these CBA changes have actually been pretty significant but have also been under-reported or unnoticed.

which is why I have been pushing back on the assumptions that drafting Yang did anything significant to increase revenue for the Blazers alone. Just about all of whatever revenue is generated by Chinese enthusiasm will be part of BRI. And why Atlanta and Detroit will earn about as much from Yang as Portland does.

 

[riverman]

no, there isn't; at least not international revenue. The NBA has worked to include those sources in the BRI and one of the reasons was what Houston did with Yao Ming. And it wasn't just the NBA, it was also the Player's Union. They both noticed the potential of international revenue and subsequent CBA's swept those sources into the BRI

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as I've been saying, the NBA and the NBPA have made sure to sweep just about all of the international revenue into the BRI pie. If there are avenues for the Blazers to earn any significant revenue in China that the NBA doesn't control I haven't heard of them

If you think Chinese marketing firms are following or even reading the NBA CBA, I've got a Chibson Les Paul guitar to sell you! I promise you they are selling knock off Yang jerseys in places like Somalia and Myanmar.

 

[THE HCP]

But I thought the refs are always against us. I’m confused.

 

[kjironman1]

"BRI is only a fundamental metric in the NBA's business model. It is the total aggregate operating revenue used to determine the annual salary cap, with players guaranteed approximately 49% to 51% of the total revenue generated. So that leaves essentially 50% of that same revenue to the team."

OK....you've generally defined what BRI is but basketball-related-income is pretty self explanatory

"Now when talking about seating and Luxury boxes you have some validity to your argument but really only a portion because those prices will increase."

those prices always increase, but there's not a shred of evidence they have increased, or will increase, because of Yang. There's also no rational reason to believe they will

"Also the Teams physical Assets are not included. So you can start a search there. I'm not going to do all that research for you."

wut? "included" in what? Are you saying the Blazer practice facility became more valuable because of Yang?

"Then you can start with the revenue sharing part that they get to keep."

that is exactly what I've been talking about. That just about all of the avenues for revenue out of China have been swept up and included as BRI by changes in the last 2-3 CBA's. And it wasn't just the NBA pushing those changes, it was also, and in some cases, mainly, the player's union. Just about all revenue generated internationally goes to BRI

there have even been significant CBA changes to the revenue generated at home games and at NBA arenas:

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Again....a lot of this has been due to pressure from players and the player's union. Their goal has to been to amp up BRI as much as possible because they get half. A lot of these CBA changes have actually been pretty significant but have also been under-reported or unnoticed.

which is why I have been pushing back on the assumptions that drafting Yang did anything significant to increase revenue for the Blazers alone. Just about all of whatever revenue is generated by Chinese enthusiasm will be part of BRI. And why Atlanta and Detroit will earn about as much from Yang as Portland does.

You are arguing that if the revenue increases the team makes more and I guess that’s bad in your opinion.
Let’s break it down real easy for you.
If the team makes $100. That $100 is split. About 50% goes to the league. 50% of 100 is 50.
If the team makes $200. Then the team makes $100. Is that simple enough for you to comprehend here?
This is why Boston and LA teams are worth more than teams like the Blazers. Simple shit really.
Then there is the supply and demand part.
Again for the 4th time. When was the last time you actually attended a game.
My bet is 15-20% of the people there are now Chinese. Maybe only 10% but be sure to understand that number is going up drastically.

 

[wizenheimer]

Let’s break it down real easy for you.
If the team makes $100. That $100 is split. About 50% goes to the league. 50% of 100 is 50.
If the team makes $200. Then the team makes $100. Is that simple enough for you to comprehend here?

it's easy to comprehend, but that's not exactly how it works, but no matter

but still, none of that explains how Yang has increased Blazer revenue. Your assessment that 15-20% of attendees are Chinese now would have to mean 2500-3000 FEWER non-Chinese were attending the games this season and that's not very credible. Why are the non-Chinese staying home? Anti-Yang sentiment?

the attendance numbers so far this season:

Wed, Oct 22, 2025	Minnesota Timberwolves	19,335
Fri, Oct 24, 2025	Golden State Warriors	18,090
Fri, Oct 31, 2025	Denver Nuggets	16,382
Mon, Nov 3, 2025	Los Angeles Lakers	17,083
Wed, Nov 5, 2025	Oklahoma City Thunder	16,822
Tue, Nov 18, 2025	Phoenix Suns	17,051
Wed, Nov 19, 2025	Chicago Bulls	17,795
Wed, Nov 26, 2025	San Antonio Spurs	19,335
Sun, Nov 30, 2025	Oklahoma City Thunder	17,597

and for the first 9 games last season:

Wed, Oct 23, 2024	Golden State Warriors	19,480
Fri, Oct 25, 2024	New Orleans Pelicans	16,190
Sun, Oct 27, 2024	New Orleans Pelicans	16,138
Fri, Nov 1, 2024	Oklahoma City Thunder	17,815
Sun, Nov 10, 2024	Memphis Grizzlies	18,477
Tue, Nov 12, 2024	Minnesota Timberwolves	16,880
Wed, Nov 13, 2024	Minnesota Timberwolves	17,353
Sun, Nov 17, 2024	Atlanta Hawks	17,384
Fri, Nov 29, 2024	Sacramento Kings	17,565

159,490 vs 157,262....2200 more tickets over 9 games. About 10,000 more in a season if you assign every one of those to Yang (which would be nuts). That's not a tsunami of extra enthusiasm, especially considering how the Blazers have promoted this season as winning time now after adding Jrue

also, notice that there have been 2 sell-out so far this year: for Minny and San Antonio. Gobert plays for Minny and Wemby plays for the Spurs so obviously, the French flocked to the Moda for those two games....which makes as much sense as what you're trying to assert about Yang

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edit: this has run it's course; gone on long enough

what I'm saying is pretty simple: over the last 2-3 CBA's the NBA and the Player's Union have worked hard to make sure that just about all conceivable sources of income, especially from international sources, are included in BRI. Any revenue generating in China because of Yang will be part of BRI

At the same time, the owners have been working to balance revenue distribution between teams; trying to eliminate financial advantages big markets have over smaller markets. This is why ticket sales and local media revenue for each NBA team have been added fully to the BRI pool.

The NBA has become pretty much a share-and-share-alike consortium. There just aren't any significant avenues for Yang to super-charge Blazer revenues over and above what he generates for the other 29 teams. So the tweet that said Jody Allen chose a Yang revenue boost over a better player in the draft was based upon nothing. I don't believe she did that; I don't believe Cronin/Schmitz went with Yang for financial reasons (that don't really exist). And I don't believe Dundon paid a dollar more for the Blazers because of Yang.

if somebody can enumerate any specific financial impact from Yang that the Blazers can get that eclipses his salary I'll change my mind. But nobody has

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[kjironman1]

159,490 vs 157,262....2200 more tickets over 9 games. About 10,000 more in a season if you assign every one of those to Yang (which would be nuts). That's not a tsunami of extra enthusiasm, especially considering how the Blazers have promoted this season as winning time now after adding Jrue

I guess you missed the part where it was discussed about the possibility of him becoming a very good NBA player and the team playing well enough to be a competitive contender.
That was after all the intent of the conversation.

 

[wizenheimer]

I guess you missed the part where it was discussed about the possibility of him becoming a very good NBA player and the team playing well enough to be a competitive contender.
That was after all the intent of the conversation.

let me know when he becomes an all-star

and as I pointed out, when the Blazers are competitive they average more in attendance than their seating capacity. So they would do that again, with or without Yang

and no, the intent of my part of the conversation was to point out that the provisions of the CBA since Yao have changed such that if there is some kind of revenue boost from Yang, it's part of BRI and distributed to all 30 teams. Portland would get the same boost if Brooklyn had drafted Yang

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[kjironman1]

let me know when he becomes an all-star

and as I pointed out, when the Blazers are competitive they average more in attendance than their seating capacity. So they would do that again, with or without Yang

and no, the intent of my part of the conversation was to point out that the provisions of the CBA since Yao have changed such that if there is some kind of revenue boost from Yang, it's part of BRI and distributed to all 30 teams. Portland would get the same boost if Brooklyn had drafted Yang

Who said anything about Allstar?
What was and has been said was good and the team winning.
Done with this. Now you’re just being obtuse.
Have a good day.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[HailBlazers]

But I thought the refs are always against us. I’m confused.

Easily you are. Deni attacks harder than anyone.

 

[wizenheimer]

Easily you are. Deni attacks harder than anyone.

it almost lloked like the officals yesterday got a memo about Deni shooting 84 FT's in the last 5 games and were determined not to reward his drives

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Warriors waived Alex Toohey. He hasn't looked great in, well, anything, but he did work out for us before the draft.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Queen with a triple double. Still baffling to me that we opted for Yang when Queen was very clearly a baller whose game is translating impeccably to the NBA.

 

[Everything Beagle]

Why didn’t Joe draft Derik Queen?! Honestly should be fired for that.

 

[THE HCP]

Triple doubles don’t mean anything around here kid…… or this might be impressive!

 

[Everything Beagle]

He could have stopped at 182 but no he had to keep padding his stats

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[THE HCP]

He could have stopped at 182 but no he had to keep padding his stats

I’ve never seen a p;Ayer do something 207 times and it wasn’t impressive like this.