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PCmor7 said:
That's been pointed out to you ad naueum. But, by all means, keep trying to deflect and distract. You just make yourself look more foolish or trollish.

The last five games are very much in line with the numbers he put up his entire career. His first 27 games with the Blazers didn't align with that performance, but, as a couple of us have pointed out, there were reasons that explained that. His current performance is right at his mean. <I just wanted to point this out because you're probably going to try to run away from it the next time you post something.
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Jesus, why do I even talk to you..

His 6 years in Phx wasn't good. Phx fans don't cry after him.
He came here for a new start. So far he is not so good. And his 5 games were far from MVP level.
That's all I'm saying.
He's got long way to go to cover his ego.
 
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He is a 16 & ten guy. That is enough from that position considering he gets a block and almost a steal a game.

Now looking at his advanced stats he has a .152 win share
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comparing this to Nurk, he has better career numbers:

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And the advanced stats of Ayton is also better than Nurks on a lower usage:

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they only thing I see Nurk really excels at over Ayton is blocks, but Ayton shows better in almost everything else.

He doesn't have to be Shaq to be part of a contending team.


Sometimes this forum cracks me up!!! Lets trade all of our good players who could be part of a contending team.... so we can go into the lottery to build a contending team....
 
robson said:
I would ask Suns fans first.
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Suns fans have an emotional bias. Suns fans expected a hall-of-famer. Suns fans had to watch Ayton underachieving while Luka started his career as well as anyone ever.

Regardless, however disappointed they might have been, however much better they think he should have been, to say he "wasn't good" in Phoenix is objectively, categorically untrue.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Suns fans have an emotional bias. Suns fans expected a hall-of-famer. Suns fans had to watch Ayton underachieving while Luka started his career as well as anyone ever.

Regardless, however disappointed they might have been, however much better they think he should have been, to say he "wasn't good" in Phoenix is objectively, categorically untrue.
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Suns fans are wannabe Lakers fans. They get drunk as hell, talk smack to the players on the court, and have 0 championships to back up their spoiled rotten attitudes towards the NBA.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
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He is a 16 & ten guy. That is enough from that position considering he gets a block and almost a steal a game.

Now looking at his advanced stats he has a .152 win share
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comparing this to Nurk, he has better career numbers:

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And the advanced stats of Ayton is also better than Nurks on a lower usage:

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they only thing I see Nurk really excels at over Ayton is blocks, but Ayton shows better in almost everything else.

He doesn't have to be Shaq to be part of a contending team.


Sometimes this forum cracks me up!!! Lets trade all of our good players who could be part of a contending team.... so we can go into the lottery to build a contending team....
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It's interesting that Ayton free throw rate is only about half here of what it was in last couple years in PHX. And his turnovers went up here on less usage.I wonder if both could be a result of Chris Paul not passing to him anymore?
 
robson said:
Jesus, why do I even talk to you..

His 6 years in Phx wasn't good. Phx fans don't cry after him.
He came here for a new start. So far he is not so good. And his 5 games were far from MVP level.
That's all I'm saying.
He's got long way to go to cover his ego.
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I don't need to reply to this. Others have said what I would have more effectively than I could. Just letting you know I saw it.
 
robson said:
Yeah, maybe you guys know the game better.
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Long haul and context.
Can we wait until he has a consistent starting lineup around him before we truly critique his game from night to night?
Also. How many centers have good games against Jokic?? I don’t know but I bet there aren’t many.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Long haul and context.
Can we wait until he has a consistent starting lineup around him before we truly critique his game from night to night?
Also. How many centers have good games against Jokic?? I don’t know but I bet there aren’t many.
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Did I say anything about this game? Also, don't bet on thing you "don't know" about.
I found centers against Jokic for you. It does not look to good.
 

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robson said:
Did I say anything about this game? Also, don't bet on thing you "don't know" about.
I found centers against Jokic for you. It does not look to good.
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This is not backing up your argument. Joel is the only guy who had a stellar game. Not many on that list had good games against Jokic when you equate the minutes played. When averaging the minutes or per 36, most (more than half)look to be similar to what Ayton did last night.
Then one must also compare these games to the individual players’ long term averages to determine if it was a good game or bad game. Were the stats against Jokic better or worse than their annual/career averages?

You did not back that up very well.
Im not saying he played well against Jokic. Im saying let’s not critique him off a poor game against arguably the best center in the league.
Again his career averages are fine for our needs.
 
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SharpeScooterShooter said:
This is not backing up your argument. Joel is the only guy who had a stellar game. Not many on that list had good games against Jokic when you equate the minutes played. When averaging the minutes or per 36, most (more than half)look to be similar to what Ayton did last night.
Then one must also compare these games to the individual players’ long term averages to determine if it was a good game or bad game. Were the stats against Jokic better or worse than their annual/career averages?

You did not back that up very well.
Im not saying he played well against Jokic. Im saying let’s not critique him off a poor game against arguably the best center in the league.
Again his career averages are fine for our needs.
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It was your argument. You said, you don't know about it, so now you know.
 
Good line. How was my fav player? Couldn't watch the game.
 
Quick says Ayton not been great behind the scenes:

"Although his play has spiked for the better in the past month, his first months in Portland were defined by tardiness and tantrums according to team sources. And there has been an eerie resemblance to Hassan Whiteside, the former Blazers' center whose statistics looked nice, but had little to no impact on the game."
 
illmatic99 said:
Quick says Ayton not been great behind the scenes:

"Although his play has spiked for the better in the past month, his first months in Portland were defined by tardiness and tantrums according to team sources. And there has been an eerie resemblance to Hassan Whiteside, the former Blazers' center whose statistics looked nice, but had little to no impact on the game."
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how wonderful "if true", and we have to consider the source, how many yrs left does he have - too many I think
 
illmatic99 said:
Quick says Ayton not been great behind the scenes:

"Although his play has spiked for the better in the past month, his first months in Portland were defined by tardiness and tantrums according to team sources. And there has been an eerie resemblance to Hassan Whiteside, the former Blazers' center whose statistics looked nice, but had little to no impact on the game."
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Oh well. It was worth a shot.
 
Maybe Ayton is not okay with 62 point loss and just playing the young guys to get them experience. I know a lot on here just want them to play the young guys as many minutes as they can and who cares about wins or how big the losses are, but I doubt many of the players share that feeling.
 
illmatic99 said:
Quick says Ayton not been great behind the scenes:

"Although his play has spiked for the better in the past month, his first months in Portland were defined by tardiness and tantrums according to team sources. And there has been an eerie resemblance to Hassan Whiteside, the former Blazers' center whose statistics looked nice, but had little to no impact on the game."
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That's a real bummer. His timeline fits with our potential core overall and I was hoping he could be a long term fixture, but some people just cant get out of their own way due to lack of self awareness and environmental/situational IQ. I was turned off by his comment about being a max player and will continue to be, and this new info puts the nail in the coffin that he is not my personal long term fix at the C position.
 
twobullz said:
Maybe Ayton is not okay with 62 point loss and just playing the young guys to get them experience. I know a lot on here just want them to play the young guys as many minutes as they can and who cares about wins or how big the losses are, but I doubt many of the players share that feeling.
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Good point, but then be mature and professional about it. Go behind the scenes to the coach and management and express such opinions in private without speaking out and letting it get leaked to the media.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Good point, but then be mature and professional about it. Go behind the scenes to the coach and management and express such opinions in private without speaking out and letting it get leaked to the media.
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Who knows what conversations he has had with the coach and management? I know I want more then one line from quick to believe there is a issue.
 
twobullz said:
Who knows what conversations he has had with the coach and management? I know I want more then one line from quick to believe there is a issue.
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Another valid point. I'm not able to view the athletic and have not been the biggest Quick fan. I was mostly basing my posts off of my trust in Illmatic that it was sound in the assessment of what he described. It does play into the max player comment though, which showed little, to any, introspective and a stubborn stance.

Like I said when that came out, I respect much more players who just putt heir head down, work hard and let that speak for them.
 
twobullz said:
Maybe Ayton is not okay with 62 point loss and just playing the young guys to get them experience. I know a lot on here just want them to play the young guys as many minutes as they can and who cares about wins or how big the losses are, but I doubt many of the players share that feeling.
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Pretty much everything in his history indicates that winning isn't always is his biggest priority.

If someone is repeatedly telling you and showing you who they are.... more likely than not, that is who they are. The ice storm driveway incident followed by his "max player" comment really soured me on him.
 
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