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With the emphasis on "Heavily."

We shall see. We shall see.
 
sigh ... I'm not crazy about giving up on him, but he clearly will not be happy or able to develop on this team with nothing but table scraps. He may never end up being a point guard, but I have a feeling that if he ends up in the right situation he could be a productive Vinnie Johnson type of player; I just don't see that ever happening with Rudy, Miller, Roy and Blake all players ahead of him on the depth chart.

And just to be clear, I'm not calling this another Jermaine O'Neal situation, I just think this has to happen if Bayless intends to stick in the league at all; hopefully KP can get some value for him.
 
Nikolokolus said:
sigh ... I'm not crazy about giving up on him, but he clearly will not be happy or able to develop on this team with nothing but table scraps. He may never end up being a point guard, but I have a feeling that if he ends up in the right situation he could be a productive Vinnie Johnson type of player; I just don't see that ever happening with Rudy, Miller, Roy and Blake all players ahead of him on the depth chart.

And just to be clear, I'm not calling this another Jermaine O'Neal situation, I just think this has to happen if Bayless intends to stick in the league at all; hopefully KP can get some value for him.
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I think you're overstating the difficulty in Bayless emerging on the Blazers. I understand not being willing to phase Bayless in as the starter for a quasi-contender like Portland is...but with Miller in the fold, I see no problem with having Blake as the second-string point guard and Bayless as the third-string at the start of the season and phasing Bayless in as the backup over the course of the year. Blake provides the security in case Bayless busts or doesn't develop enough this year, but if he does develop, you just keep increasing his minutes until (ideally) he's getting nearly all the backup minutes at the 1. Then you let Blake walk as a free agent.
 
I feel like with Miller, Blake will be somewhat expendable. If we get good value for Bayless I think we can move him. But...if Miller plays 33 minutes a game and Bayless plays 17...isn't that enough for him to show his development on the court?
 
Minstrel said:
I think you're overstating the difficulty in Bayless emerging on the Blazers. I understand not being willing to phase Bayless in as the starter for a quasi-contender like Portland is...but with Miller in the fold, I see no problem with having Blake as the second-string point guard and Bayless as the third-string at the start of the season and phasing Bayless in as the backup over the course of the year. Blake provides the security in case Bayless busts or doesn't develop enough this year, but if he does develop, you just keep increasing his minutes until (ideally) he's getting nearly all the backup minutes at the 1. Then you let Blake walk as a free agent.
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Or you trade Blake at the trade deadline to a team looking to cut salary, as he is an expiring contract. Teams are looking to cap space in 2010, even though the situation with the cap decreasing may make this next offseason less dynamic than originally thought.
 
BalancedMan said:
Or you trade Blake at the trade deadline to a team looking to cut salary, as he is an expiring contract. Teams are looking to cap space in 2010, even though the situation with the cap decreasing may make this next offseason less dynamic than originally thought.
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Yeah, if Bayless is ready to be counted on for "big minutes" (15-18) by the trade deadline, then that's definitely an option, too.
 
Minstrel said:
I think you're overstating the difficulty in Bayless emerging on the Blazers. I understand not being willing to phase Bayless in as the starter for a quasi-contender like Portland is...but with Miller in the fold, I see no problem with having Blake as the second-string point guard and Bayless as the third-string at the start of the season and phasing Bayless in as the backup over the course of the year. Blake provides the security in case Bayless busts or doesn't develop enough this year, but if he does develop, you just keep increasing his minutes until (ideally) he's getting nearly all the backup minutes at the 1. Then you let Blake walk as a free agent.
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That would be ideal, I'm just not sure being the 3rd string point guard is in Bayless' mental makeup for another year ... if he can beat Blake out for the backup spot, then great; Miller would be an ideal tutor to learn under (gym rat, workhorse, driver, savvy, "coach on the floor" type of guy).

I do think that in two years they could be up shit creek without a paddle if they aren't able to develop or find some kind of heir apparent to Miller when he starts to slow down. If Bayless can accept that he needs more time to develop and can exhibit patience (and growth) then he'd be a pretty nice long run plan.
 
We do not need Steve Blake. Miller will get 30+ mpg, let Bayless develop as the backup. If it isn't working, heaven forbid we have Rudy to play the backup pg minutes.
 
Nikolokolus said:
sigh ... I'm not crazy about giving up on him, but he clearly will not be happy or able to develop on this team with nothing but table scraps. He may never end up being a point guard, but I have a feeling that if he ends up in the right situation he could be a productive Vinnie Johnson type of player; I just don't see that ever happening with Rudy, Miller, Roy and Blake all players ahead of him on the depth chart.

And just to be clear, I'm not calling this another Jermaine O'Neal situation, I just think this has to happen if Bayless intends to stick in the league at all; hopefully KP can get some value for him.
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Good post.

Bayless has talent, but he's a full 'tweener' and I think the best he can hope for is to be a "valued player off the bench" for some team. Who knows, maybe for us some day.
 
I don't buy that we are trying to trade Bayless. I think it's just speculation because of how he played in SL. With Miller on board we have someone that will be able to mentor Bayless. I'm sure he won't like us signing Miller, but it is probably the best thing for him because he will have time to make the transition from SG to PG.
 
whatsmyname said:
trade him now before people forget he's summer league mvp
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After the summer league he had THIS season, I think they already forgot he was MVP in '08. This year JB didn't make the All Summer League 1st team, or the 2nd team, or . . . even honorable mention.
 
This might be a major misstep by the front office. They nixed a trade for Hinrich because they didn't want to part with Bayless, then they go and trade him after getting Miller.

Doesn't make sense. Hinrich by most accounts would have been a better fit here.
 
mgb said:
I don't buy that we are trying to trade Bayless. I think it's just speculation because of how he played in SL. With Miller on board we have someone that will be able to mentor Bayless. I'm sure he won't like us signing Miller, but it is probably the best thing for him because he will have time to make the transition from SG to PG.
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I don't buy it either.

I think Blake is much more likely to be traded. Bayless is still a ways away from starter minutes, but I think he is ready right now for BU minutes and has a ton of talent that just needs to be molded into PG form.

I know this sounds weird, but I was more encouraged this year by SL play than last year when he won MVP. Why? Because this year he was trying to completely change how he played in order to become the future PG the team needs, whereas last year he was just in it to score and look good. I would have been more encouraged if he was more of a ready product, but that is asking a shit load, for a player to completely change how they play and how they make their decisions on the court, and to transform immediately . This process will take time. He can play some minutes now, but I suspect it will take most of the season for him to truly start thinking in his new mind-frame and succeeding. I think of it like learning french. You take lessens, then go to france. You can speak, but poorly and because you have to translate everything into English in your head before you understand it. But after living in france for a year, all the sudden you realize you start to think in french without having to convert anything to English. Bayless just needs time to internalize everything he has learned.
 
BalancedMan said:
I feel like with Miller, Blake will be somewhat expendable. If we get good value for Bayless I think we can move him. But...if Miller plays 33 minutes a game and Bayless plays 17...isn't that enough for him to show his development on the court?
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Bayless will never get 17 MPG on this roster.

That would be ludicrously unfair to the 5 so much more talented guards ahead of him.

D League would be more likely this year.

At least you can twitter him still.:dunno:
 
MARIS61 said:
Bayless will never get 17 MPG on this roster.

That would be ludicrously unfair to the 5 so much more talented guards ahead of him.

D League would be more likely this year.

At least you can twitter him still.:dunno:
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??? lol?
 
GOD said:
I don't buy it either.

I think Blake is much more likely to be traded. Bayless is still a ways away from starter minutes, but I think he is ready right now for BU minutes and has a ton of talent that just needs to be molded into PG form.

I know this sounds weird, but I was more encouraged this year by SL play than last year when he won MVP.
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I agree with all of this... and I will add that rumors that get reported are often extreme. One report might have said that the Blazers LOVED Bayless and that was the reason they wouldn't trade him, and now they are HEAVILY shopping him, according to another report.

I would imagine that neither report is entirely accurate, and that Portland would have been willing (and remains willing) to trade JB if the right deal came along.

It's almost impossible for me to believe that the acquisition of a 33 year-old PG would prompt them to suddenly try to dump the second-youngest guy on their roster.

Ed O.
 
Kaydow said:
After the summer league he had THIS season, I think they already forgot he was MVP in '08. This year JB didn't make the All Summer League 1st team, or the 2nd team, or . . . even honorable mention.
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:ohno::ohno::ohno:
 
Ed O said:
I agree with all of this... and I will add that rumors that get reported are often extreme. One report might have said that the Blazers LOVED Bayless and that was the reason they wouldn't trade him, and now they are HEAVILY shopping him, according to another report.

I would imagine that neither report is entirely accurate, and that Portland would have been willing (and remains willing) to trade JB if the right deal came along.

It's almost impossible for me to believe that the acquisition of a 33 year-old PG would prompt them to suddenly try to dump the second-youngest guy on their roster.

Ed O.
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Yeah, I agree that it seems unlikely that Bayless is being 'heavily' shopped. I could see a deal come along that Pritchard can't refuse, but I doubt we're beating the bushes desperately looking to move him.

Frankly, I think Brandon Roy and or Rudy Fernandez should be the backup point guard with Bayless getting minutes where he's comfortable, as the scorer at SG.

I saw an interview, I believe with one of the Blazers scouts (Jason Fillipi?) where he was asked: what does Portland need from a backup point guard? ...his answer was something along the lines of 'Bring the ball up court, give it to brandon Roy and get out of the way, and then defend the point guard on the other end." That still sounds like Bayless to me. He's never going to be Chris Paul, but what more do we need? He provides solid defense. He has the handles to bring the ball upcourt. He can play well off the ball with guys creating shots for him as he takes it to the rim.

If we put him in situations where he's comfortable, he'll be a good player.
 
Cake said:
I saw an interview, I believe with one of the Blazers scouts (Jason Fillipi?) where he was asked: what does Portland need from a backup point guard? ...his answer was something along the lines of 'Bring the ball up court, give it to brandon Roy and get out of the way, and then defend the point guard on the other end."
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Sounds much more like Blake than Bayless to me.
 
I don't see Bayless getting moved either unless it is for someone young like Conley. Which if I was Memphis I would explore as Mayo has made it clear he wants to play the point. I think Bayless would compliment him well.

If we would have gotten a younger point guard in a trade like Hinrich then yes Bayless would be trade bait. But With Miller 2 years and done, the time frame works out well.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't see Bayless getting moved either unless it is for someone young like Conley. Which if I was Memphis I would explore as Mayo has made it clear he wants to play the point. I think Bayless would compliment him well.

If we would have gotten a younger point guard in a trade like Hinrich then yes Bayless would be trade bait. But With Miller 2 years and done, the time frame works out well.
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agreed. We won't move Bayless unless we have a plan to get a young PG prospect like Flynn, Conley or Sessions. One of those ships has probably sailed. I doubt Tyreke Evans or Brandon Jennings are currently tradeable but they also might be worth taking a look at. Some like Augustine.

I think Bayless could be a good energy scorer off the bench if allowed to become that. He could possibly be what we hoped we had in Jarret Jack. For that to happen though he would have to take Rudy's minutes at backup 2 or possibly alongside Rudy in the second unit with Rudy running the plays. Something has got to give in the PG department and I remain unconvinced that Bayless is the answer. I used to have alot of confidence in him making the transition, but along with SL I've seen some convincing arguments about PG's being born and not made. There might just be some truth to that old chestnut after all.
 
Idog1976 said:
agreed. We won't move Bayless unless we have a plan to get a young PG prospect like Flynn, Conley or Sessions. One of those ships has probably sailed. I doubt Tyreke Evans or Brandon Jennings are currently tradeable but they also might be worth taking a look at. Some like Augustine.

I think Bayless could be a good energy scorer off the bench if allowed to become that. He could possibly be what we hoped we had in Jarret Jack. For that to happen though he would have to take Rudy's minutes at backup 2 or possibly alongside Rudy in the second unit with Rudy running the plays. Something has got to give in the PG department and I remain unconvinced that Bayless is the answer. I used to have alot of confidence in him making the transition, but along with SL I've seen some convincing arguments about PG's being born and not made. There might just be some truth to that old chestnut after all.
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I don't think the opportunity to trade Jerryd for another young up and coming PG will be there but I think the opportunity to take advantage of a team losing money could be had. Perhaps with the right combination, you could get Gerald Wallace with a combination of Bayless and Outlaw could be done. If I could, I would trade Bayless and filler for a resigned Ramon Sessions. I think the Bucks would do it too as long as they shed salary and add young talent at a cheap price. I don't know how interested Pritchard would be in that though. I think if you can add a really good starting 3, it might be beneficial to let Bayless go.
 
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