Trade Bazemore being traded to SAC

[calvin natt]

So you think it could be one of the three you mentioned?

yes, or something similar - vet, talented, immediate help type guy. Won’t make a difference perhaps this year but will definitely help next season.

 

[calvin natt]

No... I’m pretty sure his followers have not disagreed with one move he has made in 7+ years... not one! That’s not just a difference of opinion.

I don’t know of a single poster here who thinks Neil is batting 1000%. But you think he’s batting .000 apparently. Your hate for the man is unhealthy. And clueless.

 

[PCmor7]

and if you believe that then let me tell you about my ocean front property in Barstow California that you should be interested in buying as well.

Is it for sale?

 

[Orion Bailey]

No... I’m pretty sure his followers have not disagreed with one move he has made in 7+ years... not one! That’s not just a difference of opinion.

No... Im pretty sure your opinion is wrong on this. And that's a very, very pretty, talking gorgeous, sure.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

and if you believe that then let me tell you about my ocean front property in Barstow California that you should be interested in buying as well.

Well, with global warming, rising ocean levels and the upcoming "big" earthquake that will hit SoCal and drop most of it into the sea, it it could end up being ocean front!

</green font>

 

[julius]

Or ... it could be that his name really is "Neil O. Shyster" ....

Name? PC
PC What?

PC Mor7, at your service ma'am!

 

[Scalma]

Probably the most in depth piece I’ve read on the trade.

https://earlybirdrights.com/2020/01...to-kings-trevor-ariza-portland-trail-blazers/

Portland will send to Sacramento Kent Bazemore, Anthony Tolliver, and two second-round picks, both their own, in 2024 and 2025.

Sacramento will send to Portland Trevor Ariza, Caleb Swanigan, and Wenyen Gabriel.

Gabriel has a no-trade restriction that lifts on January 21, so this trade will not go through until then, despite it being agreed and publicly reported three days ahead of time.

Structurally, this trade is slightly different from each team’s point of view. The Trail Blazers will send out Bazemore straight up for Ariza to generate a $7.07 million traded player exception, then will trade Tolliver for nothing to generate a $1.62 million exception for his minimum salary. They can acquire Swanigan in the disabled player exception awarded in the wake of Rodney Hood’s season-ending injury, as Swanigan will be a free agent this summer, and Gabriel in the minimum exception. The Kings needed to send out all three of Ariza, Swanigan, and Gabriel in order to match salary on Bazemore’s $19.27 million for this season and took back Tolliver into the minimum exception.

The most important facet of this deal for Portland is their proximity to the luxury tax. In total, the Trail Blazers will save roughly $12.79 million, assuming the trade does go down on the 21st as expected. More than $10 million of that savings comes in the form of a reduced luxury tax bill, which still may drop in the coming weeks as they make further moves. Under Paul Allen, the Blazers were always willing to pay the tax for a competitive team, but after his passing in 2018 and the start to their 2019-20 campaign, it makes sense that Jody Allen might look to cut costs for the current year, now that she’s taken control of the team. However, this deal does not portend for future cost-cutting measures, and in fact gives the team more flexibility to spend further for next year’s roster, should Allen approve a large enough budget for team salary.

Everybody in this deal is on an expiring contract, except for Trevor Ariza, who is slated to make $12.8 million next season, but only $1.8 million is guaranteed, with a late June trigger date for the remaining $11 million. Whether Portland picks up that guarantee or not may have less to do with Ariza’s on-court play and more to do with how well they can use his salary in a trade.

With Ariza in the fold at his full $12.8 million, they’d begin the summer about $28.81 million below the luxury tax threshold, depending on where that threshold lands and how expensive their 2020 first-round pick is. Keeping Ariza on his salary in order to essentially create a human trade exception for up to $17.8 million might be worthwhile to the Blazers, as they likely will not have other ways to add to their roster outside of the non-taxpayer mid-level and that $7.07 million TPE they generated for Bazemore. Ariza at that number is surely a negative-value contract, but he can be used as matching salary for a difference maker on the wing for Portland in the summer or at some point next season.

Counting their current roster with Ariza for next season, Portland would have $28.81 million to spend below the tax to fill four spots, assuming they keep all of Lillard, McCollum, Jusuf Nurkic, Ariza, Rodney Hood, Zach Collins, Anfernee Simons, Nassir Little, Mario Hezonja, Gary Trent, and their 2020 first-round pick. One of those four spots could be filled at the minimum (or close to it) using their second-round pick, leaving three spots for the mid-level exception, a sign-and-trade using the Bazemore TPE, and another minimum (or the bi-annual, if they find a good opportunity to use it).

Whether during the summer or during the season, they can then find a new home for Ariza and take back a player making up to $17.8 million, though doing so would put them right up against the tax again – within less than $1.5 million, which is just close enough to have to think about exactly where the tax threshold will come in and where their first-round pick will land.

On the other hand, they could save $11 million and cut Ariza loose, but for a team that’s trying to compete for championships while they have Lillard, McCollum, and (a hopefully healthy) Nurkic in their primes, holding onto Ariza explicitly for use in a trade next year would make some sense and may be part of why they targeted him in particular, in addition to the tax savings he represents for the current season.

They could have perhaps done the same thing with Kent Bazemore this summer, though that comes with more complications – they can’t sign him to a one-year deal, or else he would automatically have veto power in a trade, they wouldn’t have gotten the luxury tax savings this season, and they ran the risk of him walking away for nothing.

On the court, Portland was getting next to nothing out of Bazemore. He wanted to go to a contender after it was clear that he had lost his starting spot in Atlanta and he was given every opportunity to succeed with the Trail Blazers, but it just hasn’t worked out. He posted 47.5 percent true shooting and was a negative as a ball handler and playmaker compared to his previous work with the Hawks, while still turning the ball over as much as ever before. He remains a positive defensively, but not necessarily where the Trail Blazers need it – after parting with Harkless and Aminu over the summer, they need a forward defender and Bazemore is just too small to fill that role.

Ariza, on the other hand, should fit there nicely, though he’s been around so long that it’s worth wondering whether his reputation outstrips his actual value defensively these days. The all-in-one stats seem to like his output on that end of the floor this season and even if he’s not competing for an All-Defensive Team spot with the Trail Blazers the rest of the year, he’ll still be miles better than what they had at the forward spot throughout the season to this point.

Swanigan and Gabriel aren’t likely to do anything for Portland this season, but Gabriel can be made a restricted free agent this summer if they like what they see from him. Swanigan was their first-round pick in 2017, was traded to Sacramento a year ago, and now makes his triumphant (ish?) return. He may or may not stick around for the next few months, but it would surprise me if he was in the NBA in any capacity next season. Gabriel should get another shot, whether in Portland or elsewhere – he’s just 22 years old and has played well in the G League to the tune of 60 percent true shooting. He was a capable shooter in college, though his free throw shooting didn’t portend well for his move to the NBA line. So far, he’s hit 46-of-118 in a year and a half of G League play (39 percent) from beyond the arc, so perhaps he can continue to make that work as he carves out an NBA career.

Both Portland and Sacramento should have a move or two left to make before the deadline is through – the Trail Blazers seem to want to cut costs and doing another trade like this would save them quite a lot on their tax bill, while the Kings seem to understand where they are in the West’s pecking order and can pick up assets to rent out their remaining space below the 2019-20 luxury tax threshold, plus they still have a player in Dedmon who has publicly asked to be moved from the club.

In sum, I really like this trade for Portland. At the cost of two second-rounders, they’ve cut $12.8 million off their year-end costs and picked up two assets that can be used in future team-building moves: the TPE for Bazemore and the human TPE in Ariza, if they keep him. Sacramento also made out well enough in the deal: they only took on about $2.5 million in cash and picked up two second-rounders for their trouble, for three players who were no part of their future.

 

[wizenheimer]

thanks for that writ

Probably the most in depth piece I’ve read on the trade.

https://earlybirdrights.com/2020/01...to-kings-trevor-ariza-portland-trail-blazers/

Portland will send to Sacramento Kent Bazemore, Anthony Tolliver, and two second-round picks, both their own, in 2024 and 2025.

Sacramento will send to Portland Trevor Ariza, Caleb Swanigan, and Wenyen Gabriel.

Gabriel has a no-trade restriction that lifts on January 21, so this trade will not go through until then, despite it being agreed and publicly reported three days ahead of time.

Structurally, this trade is slightly different from each team’s point of view. The Trail Blazers will send out Bazemore straight up for Ariza to generate a $7.07 million traded player exception, then will trade Tolliver for nothing to generate a $1.62 million exception for his minimum salary. They can acquire Swanigan in the disabled player exception awarded in the wake of Rodney Hood’s season-ending injury, as Swanigan will be a free agent this summer, and Gabriel in the minimum exception. The Kings needed to send out all three of Ariza, Swanigan, and Gabriel in order to match salary on Bazemore’s $19.27 million for this season and took back Tolliver into the minimum exception.

The most important facet of this deal for Portland is their proximity to the luxury tax. In total, the Trail Blazers will save roughly $12.79 million, assuming the trade does go down on the 21st as expected. More than $10 million of that savings comes in the form of a reduced luxury tax bill, which still may drop in the coming weeks as they make further moves. Under Paul Allen, the Blazers were always willing to pay the tax for a competitive team, but after his passing in 2018 and the start to their 2019-20 campaign, it makes sense that Jody Allen might look to cut costs for the current year, now that she’s taken control of the team. However, this deal does not portend for future cost-cutting measures, and in fact gives the team more flexibility to spend further for next year’s roster, should Allen approve a large enough budget for team salary.

Everybody in this deal is on an expiring contract, except for Trevor Ariza, who is slated to make $12.8 million next season, but only $1.8 million is guaranteed, with a late June trigger date for the remaining $11 million. Whether Portland picks up that guarantee or not may have less to do with Ariza’s on-court play and more to do with how well they can use his salary in a trade.

With Ariza in the fold at his full $12.8 million, they’d begin the summer about $28.81 million below the luxury tax threshold, depending on where that threshold lands and how expensive their 2020 first-round pick is. Keeping Ariza on his salary in order to essentially create a human trade exception for up to $17.8 million might be worthwhile to the Blazers, as they likely will not have other ways to add to their roster outside of the non-taxpayer mid-level and that $7.07 million TPE they generated for Bazemore. Ariza at that number is surely a negative-value contract, but he can be used as matching salary for a difference maker on the wing for Portland in the summer or at some point next season.

Counting their current roster with Ariza for next season, Portland would have $28.81 million to spend below the tax to fill four spots, assuming they keep all of Lillard, McCollum, Jusuf Nurkic, Ariza, Rodney Hood, Zach Collins, Anfernee Simons, Nassir Little, Mario Hezonja, Gary Trent, and their 2020 first-round pick. One of those four spots could be filled at the minimum (or close to it) using their second-round pick, leaving three spots for the mid-level exception, a sign-and-trade using the Bazemore TPE, and another minimum (or the bi-annual, if they find a good opportunity to use it).

Whether during the summer or during the season, they can then find a new home for Ariza and take back a player making up to $17.8 million, though doing so would put them right up against the tax again – within less than $1.5 million, which is just close enough to have to think about exactly where the tax threshold will come in and where their first-round pick will land.

On the other hand, they could save $11 million and cut Ariza loose, but for a team that’s trying to compete for championships while they have Lillard, McCollum, and (a hopefully healthy) Nurkic in their primes, holding onto Ariza explicitly for use in a trade next year would make some sense and may be part of why they targeted him in particular, in addition to the tax savings he represents for the current season.

They could have perhaps done the same thing with Kent Bazemore this summer, though that comes with more complications – they can’t sign him to a one-year deal, or else he would automatically have veto power in a trade, they wouldn’t have gotten the luxury tax savings this season, and they ran the risk of him walking away for nothing.

On the court, Portland was getting next to nothing out of Bazemore. He wanted to go to a contender after it was clear that he had lost his starting spot in Atlanta and he was given every opportunity to succeed with the Trail Blazers, but it just hasn’t worked out. He posted 47.5 percent true shooting and was a negative as a ball handler and playmaker compared to his previous work with the Hawks, while still turning the ball over as much as ever before. He remains a positive defensively, but not necessarily where the Trail Blazers need it – after parting with Harkless and Aminu over the summer, they need a forward defender and Bazemore is just too small to fill that role.

Ariza, on the other hand, should fit there nicely, though he’s been around so long that it’s worth wondering whether his reputation outstrips his actual value defensively these days. The all-in-one stats seem to like his output on that end of the floor this season and even if he’s not competing for an All-Defensive Team spot with the Trail Blazers the rest of the year, he’ll still be miles better than what they had at the forward spot throughout the season to this point.

Swanigan and Gabriel aren’t likely to do anything for Portland this season, but Gabriel can be made a restricted free agent this summer if they like what they see from him. Swanigan was their first-round pick in 2017, was traded to Sacramento a year ago, and now makes his triumphant (ish?) return. He may or may not stick around for the next few months, but it would surprise me if he was in the NBA in any capacity next season. Gabriel should get another shot, whether in Portland or elsewhere – he’s just 22 years old and has played well in the G League to the tune of 60 percent true shooting. He was a capable shooter in college, though his free throw shooting didn’t portend well for his move to the NBA line. So far, he’s hit 46-of-118 in a year and a half of G League play (39 percent) from beyond the arc, so perhaps he can continue to make that work as he carves out an NBA career.

thanks for posting the write-up. I don't agree with some of the assumptions about Portland's intent, but it generally seems to flesh the deal out well

as I suspected, the inclusion of Gabriel was necessary filler. We don't know if Olshey targeted Gabriel or if he was who Sacramento was willing to dump....along with Swanigan. He could be a cheap fill-in for a roster slot next season

as far as holding onto Ariza as a possible trade chip next year...he just got traded for Bazemore and Ariza's value will not get better, it will likely get worse. But Portland may be so locked into mediocre options, they might guarantee that contract

 

[BBert]

Who's our backup big now?

Wenyen

 

[BBert]

Fuck Ariza.

Yay Wenyen!

Caleb who?

 

[BBert]

He better be an unknown basketball great cuz the other two guys stink. Why would we give up two picks for this shit?

Creating cap space to try and keep Whiteside and Melo?

 

[BBert]

I’m good with this trade.
I think it positions us to make another.

Me too.

We were going nowhere, we lost nothing, we gained cap room, we'll get more when we don't keep Ariza, and I'm always on board with getting an athletic prospect at a position of need.

 

[hoopsjock]

Me too.

We were going nowhere, we lost nothing, we gained cap room, we'll get more when we don't keep Ariza, and I'm always on board with getting an athletic prospect at a position of need.

We actually lost cap room, not gained it, even if Ariza is waived. The money we saved was simply tax payments for Jody.

 

[BBert]

Yeah, I’m intrigued. Rather watch him than Tolliver any day.

No joke.

 

[BBert]

We actually lost cap room, not gained it, even if Ariza is waived. The money we saved was simply tax payments for Jody.

Yeah I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[BBert]

Simons
Trent
Little
Gabriel
Moses

6th man Hoard


Let's roll with this lineup until the season ends...
(And before any of you ask, no. No Swanigan.)

Haha was going to post this.

Added bonus to development and evaluation: A top 5 lottery pick. The real steal of the trade

 

[BBert]

He might be the missing piece.

...of shit

 

[illmatic99]

I might have missed it, is there any info about any protection on those second round picks?

 

[hoopsjock]

I might have missed it, is there any info about any protection on those second round picks?

I haven't seen anything either. I doubt they have protection but would be very glad to be wrong.

 

[CupWizier]

Is it for sale?

Yes, just send me a $1000 deposit and i will send you the address.

 

[Haakzilla]

Probably the most in depth piece I’ve read on the trade.

https://earlybirdrights.com/2020/01...to-kings-trevor-ariza-portland-trail-blazers/

Portland will send to Sacramento Kent Bazemore, Anthony Tolliver, and two second-round picks, both their own, in 2024 and 2025.

Sacramento will send to Portland Trevor Ariza, Caleb Swanigan, and Wenyen Gabriel.

Gabriel has a no-trade restriction that lifts on January 21, so this trade will not go through until then, despite it being agreed and publicly reported three days ahead of time.

Structurally, this trade is slightly different from each team’s point of view. The Trail Blazers will send out Bazemore straight up for Ariza to generate a $7.07 million traded player exception, then will trade Tolliver for nothing to generate a $1.62 million exception for his minimum salary. They can acquire Swanigan in the disabled player exception awarded in the wake of Rodney Hood’s season-ending injury, as Swanigan will be a free agent this summer, and Gabriel in the minimum exception. The Kings needed to send out all three of Ariza, Swanigan, and Gabriel in order to match salary on Bazemore’s $19.27 million for this season and took back Tolliver into the minimum exception.

The most important facet of this deal for Portland is their proximity to the luxury tax. In total, the Trail Blazers will save roughly $12.79 million, assuming the trade does go down on the 21st as expected. More than $10 million of that savings comes in the form of a reduced luxury tax bill, which still may drop in the coming weeks as they make further moves. Under Paul Allen, the Blazers were always willing to pay the tax for a competitive team, but after his passing in 2018 and the start to their 2019-20 campaign, it makes sense that Jody Allen might look to cut costs for the current year, now that she’s taken control of the team. However, this deal does not portend for future cost-cutting measures, and in fact gives the team more flexibility to spend further for next year’s roster, should Allen approve a large enough budget for team salary.

Everybody in this deal is on an expiring contract, except for Trevor Ariza, who is slated to make $12.8 million next season, but only $1.8 million is guaranteed, with a late June trigger date for the remaining $11 million. Whether Portland picks up that guarantee or not may have less to do with Ariza’s on-court play and more to do with how well they can use his salary in a trade.

With Ariza in the fold at his full $12.8 million, they’d begin the summer about $28.81 million below the luxury tax threshold, depending on where that threshold lands and how expensive their 2020 first-round pick is. Keeping Ariza on his salary in order to essentially create a human trade exception for up to $17.8 million might be worthwhile to the Blazers, as they likely will not have other ways to add to their roster outside of the non-taxpayer mid-level and that $7.07 million TPE they generated for Bazemore. Ariza at that number is surely a negative-value contract, but he can be used as matching salary for a difference maker on the wing for Portland in the summer or at some point next season.

Counting their current roster with Ariza for next season, Portland would have $28.81 million to spend below the tax to fill four spots, assuming they keep all of Lillard, McCollum, Jusuf Nurkic, Ariza, Rodney Hood, Zach Collins, Anfernee Simons, Nassir Little, Mario Hezonja, Gary Trent, and their 2020 first-round pick. One of those four spots could be filled at the minimum (or close to it) using their second-round pick, leaving three spots for the mid-level exception, a sign-and-trade using the Bazemore TPE, and another minimum (or the bi-annual, if they find a good opportunity to use it).

Whether during the summer or during the season, they can then find a new home for Ariza and take back a player making up to $17.8 million, though doing so would put them right up against the tax again – within less than $1.5 million, which is just close enough to have to think about exactly where the tax threshold will come in and where their first-round pick will land.

On the other hand, they could save $11 million and cut Ariza loose, but for a team that’s trying to compete for championships while they have Lillard, McCollum, and (a hopefully healthy) Nurkic in their primes, holding onto Ariza explicitly for use in a trade next year would make some sense and may be part of why they targeted him in particular, in addition to the tax savings he represents for the current season.

They could have perhaps done the same thing with Kent Bazemore this summer, though that comes with more complications – they can’t sign him to a one-year deal, or else he would automatically have veto power in a trade, they wouldn’t have gotten the luxury tax savings this season, and they ran the risk of him walking away for nothing.

On the court, Portland was getting next to nothing out of Bazemore. He wanted to go to a contender after it was clear that he had lost his starting spot in Atlanta and he was given every opportunity to succeed with the Trail Blazers, but it just hasn’t worked out. He posted 47.5 percent true shooting and was a negative as a ball handler and playmaker compared to his previous work with the Hawks, while still turning the ball over as much as ever before. He remains a positive defensively, but not necessarily where the Trail Blazers need it – after parting with Harkless and Aminu over the summer, they need a forward defender and Bazemore is just too small to fill that role.

Ariza, on the other hand, should fit there nicely, though he’s been around so long that it’s worth wondering whether his reputation outstrips his actual value defensively these days. The all-in-one stats seem to like his output on that end of the floor this season and even if he’s not competing for an All-Defensive Team spot with the Trail Blazers the rest of the year, he’ll still be miles better than what they had at the forward spot throughout the season to this point.

Swanigan and Gabriel aren’t likely to do anything for Portland this season, but Gabriel can be made a restricted free agent this summer if they like what they see from him. Swanigan was their first-round pick in 2017, was traded to Sacramento a year ago, and now makes his triumphant (ish?) return. He may or may not stick around for the next few months, but it would surprise me if he was in the NBA in any capacity next season. Gabriel should get another shot, whether in Portland or elsewhere – he’s just 22 years old and has played well in the G League to the tune of 60 percent true shooting. He was a capable shooter in college, though his free throw shooting didn’t portend well for his move to the NBA line. So far, he’s hit 46-of-118 in a year and a half of G League play (39 percent) from beyond the arc, so perhaps he can continue to make that work as he carves out an NBA career.

Both Portland and Sacramento should have a move or two left to make before the deadline is through – the Trail Blazers seem to want to cut costs and doing another trade like this would save them quite a lot on their tax bill, while the Kings seem to understand where they are in the West’s pecking order and can pick up assets to rent out their remaining space below the 2019-20 luxury tax threshold, plus they still have a player in Dedmon who has publicly asked to be moved from the club.

In sum, I really like this trade for Portland. At the cost of two second-rounders, they’ve cut $12.8 million off their year-end costs and picked up two assets that can be used in future team-building moves: the TPE for Bazemore and the human TPE in Ariza, if they keep him. Sacramento also made out well enough in the deal: they only took on about $2.5 million in cash and picked up two second-rounders for their trouble, for three players who were no part of their future.

...OK, which one of you fuckers wrote this?! Who is "Jeff Siegel"?!

 

[stampedehero]

Swanigan is back. What will that do? Nothing.

 

[Scalma]

...OK, which one of you fuckers wrote this?! Who is "Jeff Siegel"?!

One of the best writers when it comes to the cap.

 

[tester551]

Swanigan is back. What will that do? Nothing.

I'd be surprised if he actually ever suits up for the Blazers. I'm anticipating that he's cut within 1 week of the deal being complete.

 

[TBpup]

I thought Ariza was in an old folks home.

If he is, he is likely trying to trip Rudy Fernandez's dad going while going down the stairs.

As for what Neil can do with Ariza's contract in a trade, isn't the answer obvious? He's out of 2nd round picks for the next half dozen-ish years, so....................
..................ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Taking Neil's 2nd round picks renders him chauffer-less.

 

[Scalma]

If he is, he is likely trying to trip Rudy Fernandez's dad going while going down the stairs.

As for what Neil can do with Ariza's contract in a trade, isn't the answer obvious? He's out of 2nd round picks for the next half dozen-ish years, so....................
..................ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Taking Neil's 2nd round picks renders him chauffer-less.

Its better when jokes have some truth to them. Olshey still has numerous second rounders to trade.

 

[TBpup]

Its better when jokes have some truth to them. Olshey still has numerous second rounders to trade.

...or it's more fun when the 'gotcha police' don't have to point out every little obvious thing. Off course he does. Can people still stick to only 100% factual humor please from now on for my friend Scalma.

 

[Scalma]

...or it's more fun when the 'gotcha police' don't have to point out every little obvious thing. Off course he does. Can people still stick to only 100% factual humor please from now on for my friend Scalma.

Or just step your game up.

 

[TBpup]

Or just step your game up.

Upon further review,
2020 2nd round pick to to Brooklyn (31-55 protected)
2021 2nd round pick to Memphis
2023 2nd round pick to Detroit
2024 2nd round pick to Sacramento
2025 2nd round pick to Sacreament0

I believe the original post was, "He's out of 2nd round picks for the next half dozen-ish years".

Dozen-ish....and he has 1 in the next 6 years. Sounds pretty accurate to me.....but I'm sure you'll find some way to pick at it. Have fun. I'll enjoy the effort as alwasy.

 

[hoopsjock]

Upon further review,
2020 2nd round pick to to Brooklyn (31-55 protected)
2021 2nd round pick to Memphis
2023 2nd round pick to Detroit
2024 2nd round pick to Sacramento
2025 2nd round pick to Sacreament0

I believe the original post was, "He's out of 2nd round picks for the next half dozen-ish years".

Dozen-ish....and he has 1 in the next 6 years. Sounds pretty accurate to me.....but I'm sure you'll find some way to pick at it. Have fun. I'll enjoy the effort as alwasy.

Technically we can trade the 2020 one with reverse protections.