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He also had to put this in the article that made me want to throw up.

Meanwhile, the New York Knicks have been reported as a potential landing spot for Lillard if he opts to be traded.
 
illmatic99 said:
latest from Philly's beat guy. i'm just pasting the simmons parts



“Philadelphia has options,” a league source told The Inquirer. “They’re just not finite.”

The source added that more teams are interested in acquiring the three-time All-Star than have been reported because of this summer’s weak free-agency class. The lack of players available makes it more likely Simmons will inevitably be moved.

The Sixers are asking for a package that includes an All-Star player for their point guard. However, teams haven’t been willing to offer that leading up to Thursday night’s NBA draft at the Barclay Center in Brooklyn.

Knowing that parting ways is best for Simmons and the Sixers, teams are looking for a bargain-basement deal.

Sources believe potential trade partners will have more of a sense of urgency to acquire Simmons closer to the start of the season. They’ll be more willing to part ways with valued assets.

That would also enable Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey to survey the league’s balance of power after the free-agency period. He would have a better idea of what assets the Sixers would need in return to compete for an NBA title.

While the Sixers are publicly noncommittal about trading Simmons, bringing him back could lead to a circus-like atmosphere.

The 25-year-old knows he’d be better off elsewhere.

Simmons has turned into public enemy No. 1 in Philadelphia. Fans have burned his jersey. The Philly and national media continue to mock his poor shooting. And in a recent radio interview, Philly movie star and comedian Michael Blackson, a former close friend of Simmons, spoke of his disdain for the Sixers guard and criticized his character.

It’s going to be tough for Simmons to regain favor with Sixers fans. It wouldn’t be surprising if he was booed at games and heckled around town at the start of next season. He knows that.

So if Simmons is not traded this summer, the Sixers might have to prepare for actions that could lead to a forced trade.

If he really wants out, Simmons could opt to be disruptive or not show up for training camp. The tactics have worked in the past for elite professional athletes looking to be traded.

Which underscores why league sources believe a trade is inevitable.
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I LOL'd at that write up. So many inconsistencies in what the Pompey guy is saying

to start with, can we just dismiss the idea that there are "sources", plural, and be real that there's likely only one source and that's somebody in the 76er front office

for instance, this part:

"Sources believe potential trade partners will have more of a sense of urgency to acquire Simmons closer to the start of the season. They’ll be more willing to part ways with valued assets"

does anybody buy that logic? I sure don't. It might be true for 1 or 2 teams, but I think the rest will want to have their ducks in a row at the start of the season and will be reluctant to engage in a major disruption. Not only that, the 'article' talks about how bad the relationship is between Philly and Simmons. Bridges are burned and the earth is scorched. If Simmons is still in Philly close to the start of the season, the most desperate team will be the 76ers

that article looks like spin right out of Morey's office
 
Definitely lots of agendas with these sources this time of year. Even the earlier report of Simmons going awol on his team this summer I feel are coming from opposing teams. Philly just refuted it vehemently.
 
illmatic99 said:
He also had to put this in the article that made me want to throw up.

Meanwhile, the New York Knicks have been reported as a potential landing spot for Lillard if he opts to be traded.
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Of course he did man. Until Neil does something meaningful and people like Quick stop putting out the narrative that Olshey might just be unable to improve the team... everyone should be thinking that Dame will be gone at some point soon. If and hopefully when Olshey makes a move or two that improve this roster to the degree Dame is asking for, then we can expect the media to shut the fuck up about Dame trades.
 
wizenheimer said:
I LOL'd at that write up. So many inconsistencies in what the Pompey guy is saying

to start with, can we just dismiss the idea that there are "sources", plural, and be real that there's likely only one source and that's somebody in the 76er front office

for instance, this part:

"Sources believe potential trade partners will have more of a sense of urgency to acquire Simmons closer to the start of the season. They’ll be more willing to part ways with valued assets"

does anybody buy that logic? I sure don't. It might be true for 1 or 2 teams, but I think the rest will want to have their ducks in a row at the start of the season and will be reluctant to engage in a major disruption. Not only that, the 'article' talks about how bad the relationship is between Philly and Simmons. Bridges are burned and the earth is scorched. If Simmons is still in Philly close to the start of the season, the most desperate team will be the 76ers

that article looks like spin right out of Morey's office
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I think Neil is doing the same thing right now in regards to the stories that there aren't good enough offers out there right now to move CJ. These are the two most vocal front offices this off season, the two that are seemingly leaking the most information to the media. I think it's because the CJ plus for Ben trade is very much alive and being negotiated, both guys are looking for the upper hand and want legit offers from other teams to bring up in negotiations.

It's like Zach Lowe said, CJ makes too much sense for us and Ben is the only one available for us that could be a superstar next to Dame and is as good as the second best established option out there being Siakam.
 
illmatic99 said:
Definitely lots of agendas with these sources this time of year. Even the earlier report of Simmons going awol on his team this summer I feel are coming from opposing teams. Philly just refuted it vehemently.
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It's difficult to know who to trust......
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
If that is true; it's another big red flag for me.
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What's a red flag about it? I bet they can get in touch with his agent. It sounds to me like he has no desire to talk to Doc or any of his people. Did you see the shit Doc talked about him? That was some of the most flagrant slander I think I've ever seen from a coach about a player and then the front office is openly shopping him. With the way Embiid has talked about him, I can't imagine that he's going to want to play with him again and the team has already obviously picked between the two of them.

So it's Ben's off season and he's not keen on talking to people who have shit on him and he most likely won't have to talk to again. Maybe it's a good sign that he's trying to get the poison out of him that kept him from dunking and getting to the hole. Maybe it shows that his confidence has recovered and he's telling those guys to go fuck themselves by not returning their calls.
 
The Philadelphia 76ers continue to maintain hope of trading Ben Simmons in a package to the Portland Trail Blazers for Damian Lillard, but discussions continue with other teams.

According to Bleacher Report, talks between the Sixers and the Toronto Raptors are considered to be the most advanced of any that have been had on Simmons. Philadelphia is interested in acquiring Kyle Lowry from the Raptors, as they were at last season's trade deadline.

"The overwhelming expectation around the NBA remains that Philadelphia will trade Simmons before the start of training camp," writes Jake Fischer at Bleacher Report.

Simmons is signed through the 24-25 season and will make $40.3 million in the final season.
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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret...us-Ben-Simmons-Trade-Talks-With-76ers-To-Date
 
illmatic99 said:
did you catch the offer he apparently made?



never mind that this isn't really possible without some cap maneuvering, but this is insulting.
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Dude is annoying as hell. Feels like another Ainge. Has to dominate a trade to want to make it.
 
CJ for Simmons makes sense on so many levels, but apparently Morey can't make the logical trade. He has to come away as a hands down winner.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Morey is annoying me.
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Posturing, in my opinion.

Siakam doesn't give them the dynamic outside scoring they need. In fact I don't know if he would result in more wins for the team in the regular season or the playoffs. Siakam is good but if they're holding out for Dame, how is Siakam going to be the thing that gets them over the top. Some article said that they want Lowry which makes sense I guess. That being said, in a sign and trade what else are the Raptors going to have to give up besides Lowry to get Simmons, I would think it would have to be something pretty significant?
 
Natebishop3 said:
CJ for Simmons makes sense on so many levels, but apparently Morey can't make the logical trade. He has to come away as a hands down winner.
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Maybe, this all might just be negotiations between Olshey and Morey both wanting to get over on the other. The fact is if it takes DJ and picks to make the deal work or even Nas or Ant... I'd just make it happen if I was Olshey and walk away having improved our team and letting Morey win but I don't know if either of these guys can handle that hit to their pride.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Dude is annoying as hell. Feels like another Ainge. Has to dominate a trade to want to make it.
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which is funny because he has made some really dumb trades in the past.

He gave up assets along with CP for Westbrook for example. And then sucked it up to trade Westbrook for a worse contract in John Wall a year later.
 
blazerkor said:
Posturing, in my opinion.

Siakam doesn't give them the dynamic outside scoring they need. In fact I don't know if he would result in more wins for the team in the regular season or the playoffs. Siakam is good but if they're holding out for Dame, how is Siakam going to be the thing that gets them over the top. Some article said that they want Lowry which makes sense I guess. That being said, in a sign and trade what else are the Raptors going to have to give up besides Lowry to get Simmons, I would think it would have to be something pretty significant?
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So the question is, does he really think he can just wait out the Dame situation?

Or is he trying to squeeze us for someone like RoCo and a 1st?

CJ
RoCo
1st

That sounds like the kind of deal Morey is asking for. And I say fuck that. They can't have RoCo. They can have DJJ.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So the question is, does he really think he can just wait out the Dame situation?

Or is he trying to squeeze us for someone like RoCo and a 1st?

CJ
RoCo
1st

That sounds like the kind of deal Morey is asking for. And I say fuck that. They can't have RoCo. They can have DJJ.
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Maybe Morey is asking for the RoCo deal but will accept DJJ and two future firsts. They are negotiating this thing every time a leak from Philly says CJ isn't enough and every time a leak from here says they're not seeing good enough offers for CJ.

The fact is Morey will make a deal because that's what he does but will Neil? Morey makes big deals and Neil really hasn't, so I'm hoping Neil doesn't give up RoCo with CJ but is willing to give up enough.
 
blazerkor said:
Maybe Morey is asking for the RoCo deal but will accept DJJ and two future firsts. They are negotiating this thing every time a leak from Philly says CJ isn't enough and every time a leak from here says they're not seeing good enough offers for CJ.

The fact is Morey will make a deal because that's what he does but will Neil? Morey makes big deals and Neil really hasn't, so I'm hoping Neil doesn't give up RoCo with CJ but is willing to give up enough.
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I kind of hate to make this conversation so reductive, but what Neil does or doesn't do, at this point is kinda moot... At the end of the day, it's going to come down to whether or not Dame signs off on a big move. If Dame thinks CJ + Roco for Simmons is an improvement, then... there you go.
 
The Sixers are trying to make everyone forget that his team and his coach threw him under the bus after the Hawks series. And now there are reports that they can't even get the dude on the phone. This situation is much much worse than the Dame situation. They NEED to make a trade.
 
Here's my main question about Simmons: Does he move the needle enough? No doubt he's a great defender and I really like him as a secondary playmaker in the Draymond Green role, but given how stacked the West is, does he get the Blazers into the upper half of playoff teams? Assume that the Blazers trade CJ and a pick for him, re-sign Norm, get a decent back-up big and PG, where does that stack them up against the Lakers, Suns, Nuggets, Jazz, Warriors, Mavericks and Clippers? And then there are the hungry young teams, the Grizzlies and Pelicans (maybe even the Kings if they have a good off-season), nipping at the heels of those teams. Is a starting lineup of Nurk, Simmons, RoCo, Norm & Dame good enough to compete? I'd say it's good enough to compete for a top-four spot in the West, as long as Simmons can shake off some of the yips that bothered him in the playoffs this year, but far from a given. Is the bench going to be deep enough to not be the drag it was last year? I think that's equally important to the Blazers' chances as adding Simmons. Olshey has his work to do, and even if he gets it done there are no assurances that the Blazers will finish better than they did this year.
 
e_blazer said:
Here's my main question about Simmons: Does he move the needle enough? No doubt he's a great defender and I really like him as a secondary playmaker in the Draymond Green role, but given how stacked the West is, does he get the Blazers into the upper half of playoff teams? Assume that the Blazers trade CJ and a pick for him, re-sign Norm, get a decent back-up big and PG, where does that stack them up against the Lakers, Suns, Nuggets, Jazz, Warriors, Mavericks and Clippers? And then there are the hungry young teams, the Grizzlies and Pelicans (maybe even the Kings if they have a good off-season), nipping at the heels of those teams. Is a starting lineup of Nurk, Simmons, RoCo, Norm & Dame good enough to compete? I'd say it's good enough to compete for a top-four spot in the West, as long as Simmons can shake off some of the yips that bothered him in the playoffs this year, but far from a given. Is the bench going to be deep enough to not be the drag it was last year? I think that's equally important to the Blazers' chances as adding Simmons. Olshey has his work to do, and even if he gets it done there are no assurances that the Blazers will finish better than they did this year.
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Health obviously the biggest factor, but if we stay healthy, I think that team can compete with any in the west.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The Sixers are trying to make everyone forget that his team and his coach threw him under the bus after the Hawks series. And now there are reports that they can't even get the dude on the phone. This situation is much much worse than the Dame situation. They NEED to make a trade.
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The cool thing about it is they will trade him... Morey is a move maker, he might say they'll hold onto him but they will not. He will pawn Simmons for as much value as possible and that will be that. Hopefully due to the fit of their needs, he will think a package with CJ at the forefront is the best value possible.
 
illmatic99 said:
which is funny because he has made some really dumb trades in the past.

He gave up assets along with CP for Westbrook for example. And then sucked it up to trade Westbrook for a worse contract in John Wall a year later.
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The first trade was pushed by Harden. The second trade was made after they already knew about Harden's trade demand.
 
e_blazer said:
Here's my main question about Simmons: Does he move the needle enough? No doubt he's a great defender and I really like him as a secondary playmaker in the Draymond Green role, but given how stacked the West is, does he get the Blazers into the upper half of playoff teams? Assume that the Blazers trade CJ and a pick for him, re-sign Norm, get a decent back-up big and PG, where does that stack them up against the Lakers, Suns, Nuggets, Jazz, Warriors, Mavericks and Clippers? And then there are the hungry young teams, the Grizzlies and Pelicans (maybe even the Kings if they have a good off-season), nipping at the heels of those teams. Is a starting lineup of Nurk, Simmons, RoCo, Norm & Dame good enough to compete? I'd say it's good enough to compete for a top-four spot in the West, as long as Simmons can shake off some of the yips that bothered him in the playoffs this year, but far from a given. Is the bench going to be deep enough to not be the drag it was last year? I think that's equally important to the Blazers' chances as adding Simmons. Olshey has his work to do, and even if he gets it done there are no assurances that the Blazers will finish better than they did this year.
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I think it depends a lot on what the Blazers can do to improve his confidence. There's actually a massive risk that his confidence is broken moving forward. If you get the Simmons from the Hawks series, he's not even worth CJ. However, if you get a revitalized Simmons and you move Norm into his natural position of shooting guard, I think this team is definitely in the upper 4 teams of the western conference, and whether we're a true contender will depend on how we gel.

Dame
Norm
RoCo
Simmons
Nurk

That's a legit playoff team on paper. Our defense should be massively improved because now Dame is the only questionable defender in the starting lineup. Just need to figure out the bench then.
 
(EDITED: deleted erroneous comment regarding Morey and RoCo with illmatic99's correction. Original thought was the idea of RoCo costing two picks, then sending more picks with him and CJ to get Simmons ... the picks adding up in the aggregate.)

CJ + Little + a pick is decent value for Simmons. IMHO, he's worth it. I hope Olshey gets after this trade. He has too much to lose with Lillard.
 
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