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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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WesleyMatthews said:
Rasheed led a team to two WCF and was elite on both sides of the ball. He was traded for a bunch of draft picks and bench players.

Simmons has major question marks on the offensive end, while costing the Blazers their second best player.

If we can land Simmons for picks and bench players I'm all for it. Giving up CJ has a lot of downside.
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but you were talking about "integrating" a player into the team after the season starts being the issue. I just mentioned that it wasn't an issue for the Pistons

as far as the downside of trading CJ...what is the upside in not trading him? at least compared to where the Blazers have been for 6 years?
 
TBpup said:
He may be the 2nd best player....but where is that getting the team? Lest we forget the also-ran substitue back court on the team that beat the Blazers in the Playoffs last year. CJ was better than any guard they had....and yet it did nothing for us as a team.
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By this logic we should trade Lillard.
 
TBpup said:
I want to see what happens as well, but at the same time, we've seen this movie so many times, we can recite it by heart. 2 games does not change 6+ years worth of data at 30 years old. Yes, scheme can help....especially since Stotts' was so poor IMO, that that doesn't make CJ grow, or make him more athletic.

And on offense, he is being MeJ even more than last year. Now granted, he is hitting a ton of shots, and that is great, but that style just doesn't work long term. It hasn't, and I don't know that Billups has any magic fairy dust that will suddenly make historical changes to that.
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How can you say we've seen this so many times? We've had 2 game of DameCJ without Stotts.

Should the Warriors of traded Klay since Mark Jackson never had that team contend?
 
Cj has never had a different coach than stotts.
I think Billups can improve his offensive play into more of a team ball player but in the playoffs his one on one ability is just as needed as a lock down defender.
 
wizenheimer said:
but you were talking about "integrating" a player into the team after the season starts being the issue. I just mentioned that it wasn't an issue for the Pistons

as far as the downside of trading CJ...what is the upside in not trading him? at least compared to where the Blazers have been for 6 years?
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If we can integrate Simmons for bench players I'm all for it.

I'd probably have leaned towards doing a CJ Simmons trade during the summer. But it always had a lot of downside.

Now having seen CJ improve defensively, Simmons act like a loser, and the team have no camp/preseason I've adjusted my opinion to not wanting that trade.

The upside to keeping CJ is the team improves under Billups, Ant Nas make us a very balanced deep team, and or the team finds a better trade to contend than the possibly flawed Simmons.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
If we can integrate Simmons for bench players I'm all for it.

I'd probably have leaned towards doing a CJ Simmons trade during the summer. But it always had a lot of downside.

Now having seen CJ improve defensively, Simmons act like a loser, and the team have no camp/preseason I've adjusted my opinion to not wanting that trade.

The upside to keeping CJ is the team improves under Billups, Ant Nas make us a very balanced deep team, and or the team finds a better trade to contend than the possibly flawed Simmons.
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ill give it a few more games yet but ive basically jumped tracks as well.
 
TBpup said:
I want to see what happens as well, but at the same time, we've seen this movie so many times, we can recite it by heart. 2 games does not change 6+ years worth of data at 30 years old. Yes, scheme can help....especially since Stotts' was so poor IMO, that that doesn't make CJ grow, or make him more athletic.

And on offense, he is being MeJ even more than last year. Now granted, he is hitting a ton of shots, and that is great, but that style just doesn't work long term. It hasn't, and I don't know that Billups has any magic fairy dust that will suddenly make historical changes to that.
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To me it has to be a call from GM/coaching and Dames sign off, on if trading CJ for Ben or whoever, strengthens our team. Every executive or coach in the NBA says if acquiring a certain player strengthens the team, they look at it.
There are teams now evaluating proposals and making offers and Morey is shrewd enough to wait and dicker for the best, as he should. I would think he has a potential offer from Portland, and many other teams.
 
Idog1976 said:
Are you suggesting that CJ is better than Simmons?
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Well last game CJ helped the Blazers crush the Suns, putting up 28pts, 6-11 from 3, in 30 minutes. Last game Simmons had zero points, zero friends, zero confidence and zero injuries. I’ll take CJ. Simmons is broken and his Pinot tastes like shit.
 
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Well last game CJ helped the Blazers crush the Suns, putting up 28pts, 6-11 from 3, in 30 minutes. Last game Simmons had zero points, zero friends, zero confidence and zero injuries. I’ll take CJ. Simmons is broken and his Pinot tastes like shit.
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Lol ok. Of course the Playoff stats show Simmons is considerably better. The recent stuff is mere negotiating theater.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
By this logic we should trade Lillard.
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I don't know how you get to that position

we're talking about CJ for Simmons. I don't really see anything major that Portland would be risking in that trade. Could Simmons bust out in Portland? Sure that's possible. But it's certainly not the case that the Blazers are on a championship track right now. It's debatable if the Blazers are even on a HCA-in-the-playoffs track.

Dame is Portland's best shot at a championship if Olshey could just get him another elite talent. That's not CJ
 
Idog1976 said:
Lol ok. Of course the Playoff stats show Simmons is considerably better. The recent stuff is mere negotiating theater.
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Simmons is a brat, he wants HIS own team, unless he’s better than Dame he will bring drama and bitterness on his way to destroying any hope.
 
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Simmons is a brat, he wants HIS own team, unless he’s better than Dame he will bring drama and bitterness on his way to destroying any hope.
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He's never brought that in his entire career and isn't bringing it now. He wants off of that team where the player they prioritize over him occupies the only area where he feels he can score. Some people just make shit up.
 
Idog1976 said:
You can’t coach height and athleticism into existence. We can all read, we disagree on the level of impact, especially on physical reality.
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i think a couple inches in height is being a little bit overrated. Simmons is a freak but reality is most teams have both guards at 6’6” or less. Cj is, from my sight, continuing to bulk up.

his height isnt an issue with his offense, which is some people’s issue.

On defense, ive already seen improvement and have faith in Billups. So im not worried there.

Im not sold yet either. But im willing to give it more games to confirm one way or another.
I believe people can change after so long. Not all and likely less than majority, but its not as rare as its being made out.
Sometimes it just takes the right coaching and direction to get a player to change/fix/block bad habits.
 
Orion Bailey said:
i think a couple inches in height is being a little bit overrated. Simmons is a freak but reality is most teams have both guards at 6’6” or less. Cj is, from my sight, continuing to bulk up.

his height isnt an issue with his offense, which is some people’s issue.

On defense, ive already seen improvement and have faith in Billups. So im not worried there.

Im not sold yet either. But im willing to give it more games to confirm one way or another.
I believe people can change after so long. Not all and likely less than majority, but its not as rare as its being made out.
Sometimes it just takes the right coaching and direction to get a player to change/fix/block bad habits.
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7” is absolutely massive especially combined with gazelle like athleticism. The same thing you said about coaching, if applied to simmons, equals an MVP candidate rather than a fringe all-star in CJ. Id rather see what billups can do with 6’11” 25 year old Simmons than 6’4”, 30 year old CJ.
 
Idog1976 said:
7” is absolutely massive especially combined with gazelle like athleticism. The same thing you said about coaching, if applied to simmons, equals an MVP candidate rather than a fringe all-star in CJ. Id rather see what billups can do with 6’11” 25 year old Simmons than 6’4”, 30 year old CJ.
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Thats fair. Id like to point out, cj has been faithful aNd committed to Portland. Can we expect the same from Simmons? Does Billups get his head right and get more consistent perimeter offense from him and he takes it to some southern city when FA hits?
I fully beleive as long as we are winning, CJ will keep signing here.
 
Idog1976 said:
Dame leaving Portland was reported by many outlets.
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Neither of us know which reports are true, false or somewhere in between. But I was very concerned with the reports of Dame about to ask out, just like I’m concerned about these Simmons reports. From all ensuing reports and from Dames own mouth, it would seem that Dame was likely considering asking out.

We have seen, and continue to see, signs that Simmons is willing to be extremely disruptive to suit his personal goals. Dame is doing everything he can as the season kicks off to put his rumblings aside for the year. Simmons, not so much.
 
Idog1976 said:
7” is absolutely massive especially combined with gazelle like athleticism. The same thing you said about coaching, if applied to simmons, equals an MVP candidate rather than a fringe all-star in CJ. Id rather see what billups can do with 6’11” 25 year old Simmons than 6’4”, 30 year old CJ.
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So much this. Let Billups and Dame get ahold of him. You know he's not going to be a black hole like CJ and will be a lights out defender even before improvements. Of course he won't score like CJ....but as been pointed out over and over, Simmons playoff ratings are better than CJ....almost across the board in terms of total efficiency and impact.
 
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Neither of us know which reports are true, false or somewhere in between. But I was very concerned with the reports of Dame about to ask out, just like I’m concerned about these Simmons reports. From all ensuing reports and from Dames own mouth, it would seem that Dame was likely considering asking out.

We have seen, and continue to see, signs that Simmons is willing to be extremely disruptive to suit his personal goals. Dame is doing everything he can as the season kicks off to put his rumblings aside for the year. Simmons, not so much.
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It's amazing how every story critical of Simmons is just automatically written off.
 
The way the Blazers are playing tonight there's no point to a CJ Simmons trade as we still ain't winning shit even if Simmons is an all star DPOY.

I'm all for seeing what this team looks like after 20 games.

Hell, maybe Terry got more out of this roster than any coach could and we're better off trading everyone for picks. Simmons is too old for a long rebuild.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
it does sound like he’s a baby and prima Donna…..but many NBA players today are!
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Sure some are, but I’m surprised there aren’t more considering that most of them grew up being far & away the best on their teams.

I think about the Blazers, I don’t think there’s anyone approaching baby/prima donna status. That makes me happy, win or lose, I can’t root for a douchebag.

Im not saying Simmons is a douchebag. But since high school his antics bring douchebaggery into conversation.

I think back over the years and my favorite Blazers have been linked to personality, Lillard, Cliff Robinson, TerryPorter, Joel Przybilla and Brian Grant to name a few. The ones I never liked were Damon Stoudamire, Isaiah Rider.

The current Blazers, I happily root for every one of them. I’ve never met most of them, they could be terrible people putting on a show, butI just don’t see that. This Blazers team seems to be good together. I don’t trust that Simmons wouldn’t destroy the good.
 
Sixers fans now worried that trading Ben for dame might be an overpay for them, lol!
 

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Freshtown said:
Sixers fans now worried that trading Ben for dame might be an overpay for them, lol!
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Haha, play a role like Seth Curry....oooh shit that's rich.
 
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