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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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illmatic99 said:
one of these days I'd like to have my head buried this deep in the sand too. wonder how that feels. "lol"

(seriously tho, who "lol's" this much? are you like a pre-teen girl?)
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Mod, he insulted me this should be removed, remember personal attacks are not allowed here LOL
 
sheed30 said:
Ok, can you answer me why his stats are actually worse now than his rookie year?

and while you are actually at it go compare draymond assist and rebounds to Simmons. Guess what Draymond actually has that Simmons doesn’t, balls to actually take and make a big shot, Simmons doesn’t even have the balls to take it. Plus Draymond has rings!
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1. The only reason he is available (possibly) for a borderline all star 30 yr old inneficient player is because he hasn't improved his weaknesses. But his floor is still greater than CJ will ever be. And his skillset would mesh with Dame far better than CJ has as I have outlined ad nauseum.

2. Who cares if Draymond has the balls to shoot? He still shoots 27% from 3 and less than 45% from the field. Him shooting doesn't change the fact that he's still far more inefficient than Ben (see @wizenheimer post on previous page). If he's shooting that badly, I don't WANT him to shoot.
 
illmatic99 said:
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Wow what a find. This straight up ends a lot of the arguments on this board by explaining how horribly wrong Simmons has been used. Fantastic video. Hey you said CJ has admitted he might be traded for Simmons on video? Where can I find that? Could you post it? Ty!
 
illmatic99 said:
1. The only reason he is available (possibly) for a borderline all star 30 yr old inneficient player is because he hasn't improved his weaknesses. But his floor is still greater than CJ will ever be. And his skillset would mesh with Dame far better than CJ has as I have outlined ad nauseum.

2. Who cares if Draymond has the balls to shoot? He still shoots 27% from 3 and less than 45% from the field. Him shooting doesn't change the fact that he's still far more inefficient than Ben (see @wizenheimer post on previous page). If he's shooting that badly, I don't WANT him to shoot.
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Who cares if he has the balls to shoot the 3? I think that’s very important, I mean draymond has to shoot it and hit it sometimes to keep the defense honest.

how else are you going to keep the defense honest? If Simmons lack of even attempting 3’s don’t bother you enough, then that’s were we differ. Teams will just double team Dame over and over and over if Simmons is on the court and not keeping the defense honest and I see this being a big problem, even if Simmons helps us greatly on the defense
 
sheed30 said:
Who cares if he has the balls to shoot the 3? I think that’s very important, I mean draymond has to shoot it and hit it sometimes to keep the defense honest.

how else are you going to keep the defense honest? If Simmons lack of even attempting 3’s don’t bother you enough, then that’s were we differ. Teams will just double team Dame over and over and over if Simmons is on the court and not keeping the defense honest and I see this being a big problem, even if Simmons helps us greatly on the defense
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Draymond keeps defenses honest? We just gonna make up stuff now? Teams literally designed defenses around giving him wide open looks.

 
Hoopguru said:
Question?
If Philly could keep Ben by firing Rivers, would you do it?
Seems that not only Rivers through him under the bus but also hasn't been playing him the best way.

I think I would fire Rivers as he really was out of line with the statements he made which as hurt the team, potentially. Plus I feel he's one of the most overrated coaches there is.
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No doubt they can find a coach who is less over-rated and can come up with a better game-plan. (unless they hire Stotts) My question is whether you can find a coach who never says anything critical about a player's performance - and if you could find a coach with humming-bird balls, why would they want him?
 
Interesting comparison of Simmons to Giannis. The funny thing is, earlier today I was listening to an on-line rant about how Giannis was the most disrespected player in the league for much of his career.

Not to belabor the obvious, but Giannis had a harder time establishing himself, he endured his share of negativity, and he worked hard to improve and prove himself.
 
illmatic99 said:
Draymond keeps defenses honest? We just gonna make up stuff now? Teams literally designed defenses around giving him wide open looks.

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So you’re going to highlight one game of him not keeping the defense honest vs the many times he has hit a big 3 when left open? And in the Finals! Why don’t you YouTube draymond hits big 3? Or Draymond clutch moments. Don’t be silly man.

You want to talk about stats? Draymond best season hitting 3’s was 38.8% on 3.2 threes attempted per game, for his career he is 31.6%. Which is not that great at all, but the fact remains he has and will take 3’s and make them sometimes to keep the defense honest.

And what about Simmons? In 4 seasons, 275 games played he has hit 5 out of 34, the guy has only hit 5 threes in his whole career! Yuck!

you can’t even argue Draymond/Simmons as far keeping the defense honest.

How in the heck does the guy have 3 rings if he hasn’t had to keep the defense honest many times?

and basically you are making my point in that video, Simmons will be a lot worse in that situation than Draymond lmao. Are you going to get ready to see a lot what you saw in that video with Simmons?
 
Buffalo Custard said:
No doubt they can find a coach who is less over-rated and can come up with a better game-plan. (unless they hire Stotts) My question is whether you can find a coach who never says anything critical about a player's performance - and if you could find a coach with humming-bird balls, why would they want him?
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His answer to the one question in that interview was pretty bad, for a guy that experienced especially right after the loss.
 
HailBlazers said:
Dray used to be clutch but has soured with age.
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ok someone with some common sense, I can take that take. The fact remains Draymond has had many examples of hitting a big 3 and keeping the defense honest.

Can someone go and post me times Simmons has hit a big 3? I'll wait, its not even that he hasnt hit a big 3, I fault him for being scared to not even wanting to take it man, thats a huge red flag and mental block. I dont think he can get over that and suddenly become someone that can keep the defense honest if he is scared to even shoot it and fail.

Maybe some of you guys think he can work on that, but man, a NBA player being scared to shoot a 3 in this day and age NBA, thats a big problem to me and that wart is too bad to overcome even though he has great D and can help us greatly on that end.
 
sheed30 said:
So you’re going to highlight one game of him not keeping the defense honest vs the many times he has hit a big 3 when left open? And in the Finals! Why don’t you YouTube draymond hits big 3? Or Draymond clutch moments. Don’t be silly man.

You want to talk about stats? Draymond best season hitting 3’s was 38.8% on 3.2 threes attempted per game, for his career he is 31.6%. Which is not that great at all, but the fact remains he has and will take 3’s and make them sometimes to keep the defense honest.

And what about Simmons? In 4 seasons, 275 games played he has hit 5 out of 34, the guy has only hit 5 threes in his whole career! Yuck!

you can’t even argue Draymond/Simmons as far keeping the defense honest.

How in the heck does the guy have 3 rings if he hasn’t had to keep the defense honest many times?

and basically you are making my point in that video, Simmons will be a lot worse in that situation than Draymond lmao. Are you going to get ready to see a lot what you saw in that video with Simmons?
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1. that was hardly 1 game. maybe click on it. I'm not the one being silly in this strawman that you made up. If you really think that teams don't give Draymond that kinda space nightly, then you are just being intentionally ignorant.
2. are you really that obtuse to think the reason they won titles in GS was solely because draymond shot 31% from 3s on his 3 attempts per game? had nothing to do with Steph/Klay/KD of course. Put those guys around Ben and you don't think they'd win 3 titles?
3. maybe you need to come up for air a bit.
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4. maybe you just ignore me and don't see some of the videos that i've posted in this thread on how effective he can be even without shooting threes. his problem (IMO) is not that he doesn't shoot threes-- it's more that he doesn't shoot outside of the paint. I believe that can change with a more nurturing environment and relieved pressure from better spacing. A floater/midrange jumper from ~10' would do wonders for his effectiveness.

here are some videos for you. before you continue your nonsense strawmen arguments about draymond/batum/bullshit, i suggest you sit through at least one of them.

 
illmatic99 said:
this guy has been dead wrong before, but still...



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I still don't see why you bring this sort of thing into training camp and definitely not into the regular season. You get the best deal you can for Simmons and move on.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
No doubt they can find a coach who is less over-rated and can come up with a better game-plan. (unless they hire Stotts) My question is whether you can find a coach who never says anything critical about a player's performance - and if you could find a coach with humming-bird balls, why would they want him?
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Your contention that Simmons is behaving the way he is solely due to Rivers' comment has been pretty thoroughly debunked in this thread. It's a combination of Rivers misuse, Rivers comment, Embiid's horrid attitude in general, Embiid throwing him under the bus, the Sixers media relentlessly trashing him, and the ultra toxic Sixers fanbase just to recap. So therefore the coach doesn't matter other than the fact that most coaches - and I am willing to bet Billups in particular - would be superior. I have some concerns about his mentality, but that's only in a vacuum. Under Billups coaching and more importantly, next to Dame, I have close to none.
 
sheed30 said:
How in the heck does the guy have 3 rings if he hasn’t had to keep the defense honest many times?

and basically you are making my point in that video, Simmons will be a lot worse in that situation than Draymond lmao. Are you going to get ready to see a lot what you saw in that video with Simmons?
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Because he played with the greatest shooter and arguably the greatest PG of all time, an elite 2-way player in Klay, and had a ring with KD to boot? Come on! Also, anyone taking Draymond over Simmons given their respective ages and trajectories is simply not aware of the fact of life that is aging.
 
illmatic99 said:
1. that was hardly 1 game. maybe click on it. I'm not the one being silly in this strawman that you made up. If you really think that teams don't give Draymond that kinda space nightly, then you are just being intentionally ignorant.
2. are you really that obtuse to think the reason they won titles in GS was solely because draymond shot 31% from 3s on his 3 attempts per game? had nothing to do with Steph/Klay/KD of course. Put those guys around Ben and you don't think they'd win 3 titles?
3. maybe you need to come up for air a bit.
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4. maybe you just ignore me and don't see some of the videos that i've posted in this thread on how effective he can be even without shooting threes. his problem (IMO) is not that he doesn't shoot threes-- it's more that he doesn't shoot outside of the paint. I believe that can change with a more nurturing environment and relieved pressure from better spacing.

here are some videos for you. before you continue your nonsense strawmen arguments about draymond/batum/bullshit, i suggest you sit through at least one of them.

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"If you really think that teams don't give Draymond that kinda space nightly" ofcourse they do, and you are real ignorant to think he hasn't had many moments of him hitting a 3 or a big timely 3 to keep the defense honest.

and you are really ignorant to think teams aren't and wont continue to give that type of space to Simmons, who won't even attempt to shoot it.

There is many more examples of Draymond hitting a big 3, I'm not going to waste time posting those videos on here to make my point. As one poster with common sense said, Draymond has been clutch before even if you want to post your little video trying to make your point. There is no video of Simmons doing that because his ass is scared to even shoot it.
 
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