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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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Buffalo Custard said:
Embiid's recent comments really have me wondering.

Did the team pick actually make a conscious choice to pick Simmons over Butler, or was Butler leaving a foregone conclusion that had nothing to do with Simmons?

If he is correct and they did choose Simmons over Butler, is that where they really went off the rails? There have been times in his career that Butler has been a 1st class a-hole....but if the choice was between Simmons and the Miami version of Butler, I'd want Butler!

Go ahead - tell me I'm crazy!
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I'd prefer Simmons on the Blazers, assuming Dame and Billups can get his head on right which I do in fact assume. That said, on the Sixers, I would definitely have preferred Butler if the choice was ever there to begin with, which is pretty questionable and seems revisionist history to make Simmons look like an asshole. Considering Embiid DEFINITELY is an asshole, I feel that take is not only a hot one but also a steam pile.
 
Idog1976 said:
If Morey does that, he might just stubborn his way out of the league. Certainly, no FA will want to sign there. What a moron.
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Isn't Simmons a biggest moron with how he behaves? If the money is good they will sign with no worries.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Can you think of a better way for Portland to get Dame a "better than CJ" teammate?

I honestly can't think of another way to take as big of a step forward.
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Just find another package for CJ etc. Simmons working out as another all star in Portland, wanting to STAY here, getting his mind right, being able to make FTs vs none of those things happening is probably around a 30% likelihood. Siakam? Draymond? Let the clippers implode and get PG? Impossible to like Simmons at all right now for me and I don’t want to root for guys I don’t like. I dealt with Fucking Meyers Leonard long enough.
 
GDiama said:
Isn't Simmons a biggest moron with how he behaves? If the money is good they will sign with no worries.
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I don't think so. He's already made millions, just got paid 8+M a couple of months ago and he's trying to get himself to a better situation. Right now he plays second fiddle to a guy that lives in the paint, which happens to be the only place Simmons can score. That same dude that Simmons' team has chosen to build around is an egomaniac who has talked shit about him. His coach hasn't had his back. Most importantly his team has tried to trade him two off seasons in a row. So if he's cool with losing what amounts to a fraction of his career earnings to get out of a bad situation, that hardly makes him a moron.
 
calvin natt said:
Just find another package for CJ etc. Simmons working out as another all star in Portland, wanting to STAY here, getting his mind right, being able to make FTs vs none of those things happening is probably around a 30% likelihood. Siakam? Draymond? Let the clippers implode and get PG? Impossible to like Simmons at all right now for me and I don’t want to root for guys I don’t like. I dealt with Fucking Meyers Leonard long enough.
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I hear that. But I don't think we're going to get any of those guys you listed for CJ and whatever else we have to offer. Maybe PG... But probably not. I just don't see it, unless CJ is playing out of his mind to start the season.
 
calvin natt said:
Just find another package for CJ etc. Simmons working out as another all star in Portland, wanting to STAY here, getting his mind right, being able to make FTs vs none of those things happening is probably around a 30% likelihood. Siakam? Draymond? Let the clippers implode and get PG? Impossible to like Simmons at all right now for me and I don’t want to root for guys I don’t like. I dealt with Fucking Meyers Leonard long enough.
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I'm sorry you had to fuck Meyers but seriously that's maybe the worst comparison ever. Simmons is always in the right place on the floor, his bbiq is off the charts, he had a bad series where he let shit get in his head but besides that series he can score at the basket at will when his teammate isn't clogging driving lanes, he is one of the very best defenders in the league and the best at taking on anyone 1-5, he has a great handle and court vision. Oh and he's a 6'10" 240lbs athletic freak. I hardly think having him on the team would be a bad thing and it definitely wouldn't be like having Meyers.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I hear that. But I don't think we're going to get any of those guys you listed for CJ and whatever else we have to offer. Maybe PG... But probably not. I just don't see it, unless CJ is playing out of his mind to start the season.
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It feels like if Philly liked CJ they would have him by now. Neil has no reason to improve the offer either. I honestly have no idea what Morey is doing.
 
blazerkor said:
I'm sorry you had to fuck Meyers but seriously that's maybe the worst comparison ever. Simmons is always in the right place on the floor, his bbiq is off the charts, he had a bad series where he let shit get in his head but besides that series he can score at the basket at will when his teammate isn't clogging driving lanes, he is one of the very best defenders in the league and the best at taking on anyone 1-5, he has a great handle and court vision. Oh and he's a 6'10" 240lbs athletic freak. I hardly think having him on the team would be a bad thing and it definitely wouldn't be like having Meyers.
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Well yeah no shit I’m not comparing them as players. I don’t like anything about Meyers and don’t like Simmons. That’s what I compared. I don’t want to root for a guy - or count on a guy- like Ben Simmons.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Can you think of a better way for Portland to get Dame a "better than CJ" teammate?

I honestly can't think of another way to take as big of a step forward.
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HailBlazers said:
Sometimes to the goods you gotta take damaged ones.
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I dont see how we can NOT do it.

Dame
Dame
Dame

He will steer him in the right direction.

He is still a kid. I believe if it all works out, Dame has him staying here as long as Dame stays here.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't think so. He's already made millions, just got paid 8+M a couple of months ago and he's trying to get himself to a better situation. Right now he plays second fiddle to a guy that lives in the paint, which happens to be the only place Simmons can score. That same dude that Simmons' team has chosen to build around is an egomaniac who has talked shit about him. His coach hasn't had his back. Most importantly his team has tried to trade him two off seasons in a row. So if he's cool with losing what amounts to a fraction of his career earnings to get out of a bad situation, that hardly makes him a moron.
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Apparently team made sacrifices to play up to Ben's strengths. Embiid mentioned them it was signing Horford so Simmons get to play with a stretch 5 when he run the 2nd unit and also letting Butler go because keeping him would mean less touches for Ben. Even Embiid going out there to space the floor while he is a force in the paint and he doesn't really have to step outside was done for Ben to be better.
So Embiid worked on how to make Ben more comfortable, but Ben remained the same and he cannot even shoot after 4 years. It's not Giannis it's Simmons. They cannot really do exactly what he wants and I doubt he will find any team to do that for him. He has to make sacrifices as well. There is no perfect fit out there and certainly no team will try to make the perfect fit for Ben because as i said before he is not Giannis. Not worth to sacrifice more than what Philla did. And from what Embiid said they already sacrificed a lot.
 
Simmons and Giannis are obviously very different physically. What really struck a chord with me, was a psychological comparison I read. It goes beyond thin-skinned vs thick skinned. Giannis simply isn't afraid to try and fail. That makes it easier for him to adapt and evolve.

This was something I couldn't stand about Stotts. His attitude appeared to be that any change to his game-plan or rotation was an admission of error on his part. Better to stick to his guns and blame the players for not executing. In a moment of reflection, I wonder if that is part of the reason I don't value Simmons as much as many folks. As good as he is at some things, he is still fundamentally the same player he was as a rookie.

OK, profundity sucks. Just ignore me.
 
calvin natt said:
It feels like if Philly liked CJ they would have him by now. Neil has no reason to improve the offer either. I honestly have no idea what Morey is doing.
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I don't think Morey likes CJ as much as he likes Lillard or other team's first options.

I think that's why we don't have Simmons yet. I think Morey is trying to call Simmons bluff.
 
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Buffalo Custard said:
Simmons and Giannis are obviously very different physically. What really struck a chord with me, was a psychological comparison I read. It goes beyond thin-skinned vs thick skinned. Giannis simply isn't afraid to try and fail. That makes it easier for him to adapt and evolve.

This was something I couldn't stand about Stotts. His attitude appeared to be that any change to his game-plan or rotation was an admission of error on his part. Better to stick to his guns and blame the players for not executing. In a moment of reflection, I wonder if that is part of the reason I don't value Simmons as much as many folks. As good as he is at some things, he is still fundamentally the same player he was as a rookie.

OK, profundity sucks. Just ignore me.
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He was an awesome player as a rookie.
 
GDiama said:
The difference is Kawhi has actual issues. They are there. Maybe he could play through the pain, but the issue is there and will always be with Kawhi.
Simmons is fully healthy from what we know so far.
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Nba players almost all have a part of the body that is tender or can flare up... pretty ease to say it's a weakness they are working to strengthen or such.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
He was an awesome player as a rookie.
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By the standards of a rookie he was really impressive. I don't deny that. In their respective rookie seasons, Simmons was much better than Giannis. By their respective 5th seasons, was that still true? Will Simmons ever be as good as Giannis is now? That is my point.

I'm sure some will disagree, but I don't believe Giannis is better based on physical talent.
 
GDiama said:
The difference is Kawhi has actual issues. They are there. Maybe he could play through the pain, but the issue is there and will always be with Kawhi.
Simmons is fully healthy from what we know so far.
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Fair enough.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
By the standards of a rookie he was really impressive. I don't deny that. In their respective rookie seasons, Simmons was much better than Giannis. By their respective 5th seasons, was that still true? Will Simmons ever be as good as Giannis is now? That is my point.

I'm sure some will disagree, but I don't believe Giannis is better based on physical talent.
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Ben Simmons led Sixers on 16 game win streak into first playoffs of The Process. And he beat out Donovan Mitchell for ROTY in the process. He wasn't just "good for a rookie."
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Ben Simmons led Sixers on 16 game win streak into first playoffs of The Process. And he beat out Donovan Mitchell for ROTY in the process. He wasn't just "good for a rookie."
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Edit: you know what - just forget it. We literally have no common ground to base a discussion on.
 
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Note we're not listed among the six teams "still inquiring" about Simmons... but Detroit is? Are they panicking about Cade Cunningham already?
 
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Philly would ask for Saddiq Bey, but at this point I don't think Detroit would do that.
 

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Note we're not listed among the six teams "still inquiring" about Simmons... but Detroit is? Are they panicking about Cade Cunningham already?
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The relationship had run its course? (facepalms) Is that how modern players see their team/team-mates....some kind of one night stand? Successful interpersonal relationships require work!

I will now take my rocker out on the porch and yell at the clouds.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
The relationship had run its course? (facepalms) Is that how modern players see their team/team-mates....some kind of one night stand? Successful interpersonal relationships require work!

I will now take my rocker out on the porch and yell at the clouds.
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Yeah, this whole thing is so ugly. I'd still take a swing at Simmons, but his stock is lowering even in my eyes. I still blame Morey for being insanely stubborn.
 
The team is now a week into training camp, I think I'd rather see what the current roster can do.
 
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