Trade Ben Simmons poll

[Idog1976]

The team is now a week into training camp, I think I'd rather see what the current roster can do.

We already know what it can do. We added one significant player and he's injury-prone. Unless Little has made huge strides I doubt we see more than a 2-3 game win difference. We have one season to impress Dame.

 

[royo]

We already know what it can do. We added one significant player and he's injury-prone. Unless Little has made huge strides I doubt we see more than a 2-3 game win difference. We have one season to impress Dame.

Again, again and again. Blazers added a coach to the team. Actual coach.

 

[boredinsalem]

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Philly would ask for Saddiq Bey, but at this point I don't think Detroit would do that.

I'd like this more if CJ went to Philly and Jerami Grant and Cory Joseph came our way.

Lillard/Joseph
Powell/Simons
Covington/Little
Grant/Nance
Nurkic/Zeller

I think that's a championship contender.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'd like this more if CJ went to Philly and Jerami Grant and Cory Joseph came our way.

Lillard/Joseph
Powell/Simons
Covington/Little
Grant/Nance
Nurkic/Zeller

I think that's a championship contender.

Never thought much of Grant, and now we have Roco and Nance (and Little needs minutes) I rate him even less.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Buffalo Custard]

Good article. What he says makes a lot of sense. Honestly though, it still leaves me with 2 questions. First, you still have the issue of blending 2 guys who are best with the ball in their hands. (one who thrives in transition and one who is an assassin in the half-court) Second, if this guy is right it confirms the concern that Simmons and Nurk can't coexist.

 

[Hoopguru]

Good article, but I dont believe we will get him. I think other teams could have more that we are willing to offer?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Again, again and again. Blazers added a coach to the team. Actual coach.

Agreed, we don't know shit about this team. Maybe it is the same old song and dance, or maybe they are worse, or maybe they are better.
No one knows about any team at this point for one simple reason. ...........Injuries. One star goes down on a team and it hurts.

And as you say, a whole new coaching staff is kind of a big deal. And a whole new bench.

 

[BonesJones]

We already know what it can do. We added one significant player and he's injury-prone. Unless Little has made huge strides I doubt we see more than a 2-3 game win difference. We have one season to impress Dame.

Entirely different system and coach, the best bench we've had in years, a full season of Norm and possible jumps from Ant and Nas? We don't know what this team will be yet

 

[wizenheimer]

the best bench we've had in years

Rodney Hood
Enes Kanter
Evan Turner
Seth Curry
Jake Layman
Zach Collins
Meyers Leonard
Gary Trent Jr.

 

[BonesJones]

Rodney Hood
Enes Kanter
Evan Turner
Seth Curry
Jake Layman
Zach Collins
Meyers Leonard
Gary Trent Jr.

I like our bench more this year. Larry Nance Jr. is better than any of those guys. Ant can be better this year than Curry was (we didn't utilize him enough). I like Nas and Snell more than Layman and Turner and Zeller is (at worst) comparable to Zach and better than Meyers.

 

[blazerkor]

Entirely different system and coach, the best bench we've had in years, a full season of Norm and possible jumps from Ant and Nas? We don't know what this team will be yet

I'm still open to doing what it takes to get a three time all star, two time all defensive first team, all nba player before seeing what this team can do with a new coach and bench. We only have one all star/all nba player on the roster currently and we have zero first team all defense players.

 

[BonesJones]

I'm still open to doing what it takes to get a three time all star, two time all defensive first team, all nba player before seeing what this team can do with a new coach and bench. We only have one all star/all nba player on the roster currently and we have zero first team all defense players.

I'm open to Pascal Siakam, not Simmons. If this doesn't go too well, hopefully Siakam is available at the deadline.

 

[Idog1976]

Good article. What he says makes a lot of sense. Honestly though, it still leaves me with 2 questions. First, you still have the issue of blending 2 guys who are best with the ball in their hands. (one who thrives in transition and one who is an assassin in the half-court) Second, if this guy is right it confirms the concern that Simmons and Nurk can't coexist.

Easy. On the rebound get it to Simmons who attacks before the defense is set. Then if there is no opportunity give it to Dame and use the side screen and roll and dribble hand offs, or get it to Simmons in the Low Post. Dame’s style of offense is always going to be there to capitalize on.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

https://www.newyorker.com/sports/sporting-scene/ben-simmons-and-the-acceptance-of-failure

 

[wizenheimer]

I like our bench more this year. Larry Nance Jr. is better than any of those guys. Ant can be better this year than Curry was (we didn't utilize him enough). I like Nas and Snell more than Layman and Turner and Zeller is (at worst) comparable to Zach and better than Meyers.

you liking the bench more this year, before seeing it play a second of basketball behind the starters, isn't the same as the "best bench in years"

further, you're banking on a lot of speculative value. Ant will have to improve a lot to be better than Curry and that's not close to a sure thing. Nas is unproven. Snell-Turner-Layman? distinctions without much of a difference; 8th or 9th men in rotations don't move any needles, IMO

Nance is a good role player, but Hood was a pretty good role player for Portland that year. And Kanter played a decisive role in Portland's 53 wins and appearance in the WCF. I don't have a problem with saying Zeller is as good or better than Zach and better than Meyers. But I never liked either one of those guys and thought they were overrated. Zeller is not better than Kanter though

I hope your guess about the strength of the bench is right. I'm unconvinced. It will probably be better than last year's bench; losing Melo is addition by subtraction in my view. But that 2018-19 bench was the best bench in the Stolshey era

 

[KSF-ERIC]

you liking the bench more this year, before seeing it play a second of basketball behind the starters, isn't the same as the "best bench in years"

further, you're banking on a lot of speculative value. Ant will have to improve a lot to be better than Curry and that's not close to a sure thing. Nas is unproven. Snell-Turner-Layman? distinctions without much of a difference; 8th or 9th men in rotations don't move any needles, IMO

Nance is a good role player, but Hood was a pretty good role player for Portland that year. And Kanter played a decisive role in Portland's 53 wins and appearance in the WCF. I don't have a problem with saying Zeller is as good or better than Zach and better than Meyers. But I never liked either one of those guys and thought they were overrated. Zeller is not better than Kanter though

I hope your guess about the strength of the bench is right. I'm unconvinced. It will probably be better than last year's bench; losing Melo is addition by subtraction in my view. But that 2018-19 bench was the best bench in the Stolshey era

Zeller can be on the floor in a critical playoff game unlike Kanter this past season. Nance is better overall impact player than Hood. Curry didn't play all that much for us. Nas scored 30 in a game last season so not totally unproven. Snell is better defender than Layman and better shooter than Turner.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Since we are guessing about the bench then I am adding McLemore to the discussion. Last year was hard to judge because he played on 3 teams, but IMO he played pretty well for the lakers at the end of the season. And many of their fans wanted him back. His defense was improved as well.

And the year before for Houston, he made 181 3's at a 40% clip. You can spin that any way you want, but how many of our bench players have ever done that? I am sure a few have but not that many.

 

[illmatic99]

I find it mildly irritating that we are never mentioned in any actual rumors. The news du jour:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I find it mildly irritating that we are never mentioned in any actual rumors. The news du jour:

"Inquiring about his availability"? Of course he's fucking available - he's literally sitting out, demanding a trade. Is this a euphemism for offering something new? Or does it mean they ring up and ask Morey "are you desperate enough to take our crappy offer yet?"

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think Morey's got to be hoping for something out of left field, like SGA demanding out of OKC because he's tired of the perpetual draft-pick hoarding and using the team simply to absorb other team's shit contracts.

 

[illmatic99]

I think Morey's got to be hoping for something out of left field, like SGA demanding out of OKC because he's tired of the perpetual draft-pick hoarding and using the team simply to absorb other team's shit contracts.

i'd rather have SGA. Not sure i get Presti's motivation to make that exchange.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

i'd rather have SGA. Not sure i get Presti's motivation to make that exchange.

I didn't know SGA had signed an extension. Never mind: he has even less leverage.

I like SGA but I don't think he's better than Simmons. I think both teams would benefit - SGA works better with Embiid, whereas you could build the Thunder around Simmons and maximize him.

I think of SGA as like "poor man's Penny" and Simmons as "taller Jason Kidd".

 

[illmatic99]

And this... not sure of the source: https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/10...lazers-should-go-all-in-on-ben-simmons-trade/

There have been numerous teams linked to Simmons. The Golden State Warriors, San Antonio Spurs and Toronto Raptors all had outlandish trade offers from Daryl Morey and the 76ers centered around Simmons. The Indiana Pacers were the first team to reportedly send an offer to Philadelphia for him. Most recently, the Sacramento Kings, Cleveland Cavaliers and Minnesota Timberwolves have been linked to him the most. But, there is one team that stands out among them all that an NBA scout believes should go all-in on acquiring Simmons.

When talking to NBA Analysis Network’s own Evan Massey, this anonymous scout believes the Portland Trail Blazers should do everything they can to land Simmons. “When I look at potential destinations for Ben Simmons, only one truly sticks out. Portland is head and shoulders above the rest. Simmons would be a perfect running mate for (Damian) Lillard. Move CJ McCollum in the deal, Norman Powell plays the two, and Simmons can slide in and provide a skill-set the Blazers have been needing.”

Simmons has already said that he doesn’t want to be traded to Portland, but at this point, he likely has little say on where he ends up. The Philadelphia 76ers are going to find and accept the best package they can and if it comes from Portland, so be it. With Damian Lillard on the roster, Simmons will not be the No. 1 option, which is part of the reason he doesn’t want to play with Joel Embiid in Philadelphia. But, there is no denying how good of a fit he would be in Portland. The Portland Trail Blazers were very poor defensively last season, as the Sacramento Kings were the only team with a worse defensive rating in the NBA. The team has plenty of firepower offensively, but they need to start locking down defensively if they are to make any real noise in the postseason.

 

[wizenheimer]

Zeller can be on the floor in a critical playoff game unlike Kanter this past season.

and yet, it was Kanter as the starting C that helped the Blazers make it to the WCF

maybe it wasn't all Kanter last year as much as it was the other defensive sieves he was playing with. By the way, Kanter has significantly better "impact" numbers in the playoffs then does Zeller

Nance is better overall impact player than Hood.

he certainly is now after Hood's Achilles injury. Hood was pretty good that season though. I'd probably give Nance the edge but it isn't a big one. And we don't know yet how Nance will fit in the rotation

Curry didn't play all that much for us

Curry averaged 2 more minutes a game that season than Ant last season; and he averaged 3 more minutes in the playoffs

Nas scored 30 in a game last season so not totally unproven

in other words, he's unproven...just not "totally"....for instance, his total playoff minutes is 3

Snell is better defender than Layman and better shooter than Turner.

Turner was a better defender than Snell and could run the offense, some of the time. Now, I feel dirty because I didn't like Turner, at all. He was one of Olshey's worst mistakes

we're just splitting nits right now

but again, you're arguing that this bench will be better, based on spec, and based upon two or three players playing better than they ever have. It might happen like that but chances are it won't, not for all of them, and if a couple fall short, this bench won't be as good; it's margin of error is that small

I hope you guys are right, that Nas and Ant take big steps forward; Snell turns into James Jones 2.0; Nance is in the running for 6th MOY, and that Billups can unlock all the potential you guys see, but I'm not seeing. I'm getting old....I'd like to see the Blazers as a contender before I croak....although I guess a lot of you guys think I croak all the time

 

[wizenheimer]

And this... not sure of the source: https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/10...lazers-should-go-all-in-on-ben-simmons-trade/

There have been numerous teams linked to Simmons. The Golden State Warriors, San Antonio Spurs and Toronto Raptors all had outlandish trade offers from Daryl Morey and the 76ers centered around Simmons. The Indiana Pacers were the first team to reportedly send an offer to Philadelphia for him. Most recently, the Sacramento Kings, Cleveland Cavaliers and Minnesota Timberwolves have been linked to him the most. But, there is one team that stands out among them all that an NBA scout believes should go all-in on acquiring Simmons.

When talking to NBA Analysis Network’s own Evan Massey, this anonymous scout believes the Portland Trail Blazers should do everything they can to land Simmons. “When I look at potential destinations for Ben Simmons, only one truly sticks out. Portland is head and shoulders above the rest. Simmons would be a perfect running mate for (Damian) Lillard. Move CJ McCollum in the deal, Norman Powell plays the two, and Simmons can slide in and provide a skill-set the Blazers have been needing.”

Simmons has already said that he doesn’t want to be traded to Portland, but at this point, he likely has little say on where he ends up. The Philadelphia 76ers are going to find and accept the best package they can and if it comes from Portland, so be it. With Damian Lillard on the roster, Simmons will not be the No. 1 option, which is part of the reason he doesn’t want to play with Joel Embiid in Philadelphia. But, there is no denying how good of a fit he would be in Portland. The Portland Trail Blazers were very poor defensively last season, as the Sacramento Kings were the only team with a worse defensive rating in the NBA. The team has plenty of firepower offensively, but they need to start locking down defensively if they are to make any real noise in the postseason.

when did Simmons say he doesn't want to be traded to Portland?

 

[Idog1976]

Entirely different system and coach, the best bench we've had in years, a full season of Norm, and possible jumps from Ant and Nas? We don't know what this team will be yet

You have to lean awfully heavy on Nas and Ant being better and nance being the missing piece to hold the bench together to see us picking up more than what I previously suggested 2-3 wins. Tell me which WCF teams we were behind last year we will vault ahead of. Also, you don't think say the NOP will be even better? DEN when they get Murray back with a rising Michael Porter Jr.? I know it's fun to mock the age of the Lakers, but they are utterly stacked. I could see us being better than Dallas despite them having an easier division, but I certainly don't see us being better than the Lakers who finished behind us last year. GSW may have some health this year and Wiseman and Wiggins both learning their system and improving their games, especially Wiseman. I could see us treading water and perhaps maintaining our 6th place finish. I could also see us in the Play-in again.

What I don't see with the current roster composition, is being better than Utah, Denver, Phx, Clippers or the Lakers. I also think Jah Morant and the young Grizzlies could really find another gear. When I look at the West I just don't see us doing better than 5th at best and we could even end up in the play-in. So, yes we might be better, but are we enough better to make a difference in standings? I just don't see it with up-and-coming teams combined with veteran teams who will be healthy to start this year.

 

[illmatic99]

when did Simmons say he doesn't want to be traded to Portland?

i have no clue, unless this anonymous scout knew something. that's why i said i was skeptical of the source.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

when did Simmons say he doesn't want to be traded to Portland?

he wants to go somewhere with a social scene and Portland was supposedly not up to his snuff per a report earlier in the summer. whether it’s true, who knows?

 

[Idog1976]

Since we are guessing about the bench then I am adding McLemore to the discussion. Last year was hard to judge because he played on 3 teams, but IMO he played pretty well for the lakers at the end of the season. And many of their fans wanted him back. His defense was improved as well.

And the year before for Houston, he made 181 3's at a 40% clip. You can spin that any way you want, but how many of our bench players have ever done that? I am sure a few have but not that many.

I'm actually low-key excited about McLemore without trying to convince myself he's more than a practice body. I also really like him also if we do in fact pull the trigger on a Simmons trade.