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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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blazerkor said:
I'm on the poll question that started this thread saying CJ and RoCo is what I'd be willing to give up but when someone posts that the rumor is that Olshey and Morey are arguing over which one of them should have to give up additional assets after CJ and Simmons, it makes me think we could get away with CJ, Nas and a first. The fact is if RoCo goes out, it would only make sense for Thybulle to come back which I'll take... we'd be looking at a lot of rotating PF duties between Simmons and Nance but I'd be willing to make that shit work. I just don't know if we have to.

The other thing about this if it drags out is Nance. We might ship that dude out as fast as he came in. CJ and Nance for Simmons and lets say Paul Reed would work in a few weeks.

My thing is if I can get a starting lineup of Dame, Norm, either RoCo or Nance, Simmons and Nurk with Ant, Nas, Snell and Zeller coming off the bench, I know that team is way better than what we have right now... if I can keep Nance on the bench instead of Nas, I'd love that.

Seriously people that don't want Simmons are not thinking about how great of a defender he is, how huge and freakishly athletic he is, how well he finishes at the hoop, how good his handle is and how good of a passer he is. There is no one on this roster after Dame that is in the same universe as Simmons is as a game changer that's why he's a three time all star, two time all defense and one time all nba player. Olshey needs to do what he has to and get the deal done.
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Wouldn't have to wait 60 days from when we acquired Larry to trade him?
 
illmatic99 said:
How does Rich Paul not prepare for this scenario?
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Because the two big holdouts they had before were against the Cavs while buddy LeBron was there. They asaume it would be similar to Tristan Thompson or JR Smith getting fat checks.

Morey and Philly are idiots. But in glad to See Rich Paul and clutch fail at this.
 
I wouldnt want to give up RoCo in a Simmons trade, Id rather give up Ant or Naz if the only way to get him was adding another player to CJ. Sure it would be best to just do a straight across trade for CJ. If RoCo is better at three (I think its his natural position) it would be nice to have a power forward that is taller than 6'7 that can get comfortable down low on both ends. RoCo isnt real comfortable down low on offense but decent on defense. We need a weapon at the power forward position now that Nurk will play more high post.
 
Freshtown said:
Zach Lowe pod with Bobby marks today…again, they mentioned that each side thinks the other should add stuff to the CJ-Simmons swap.

depressing that our idiotic gm thinks CJ is one of the best guards in the league and it’s preventing a deal from happening.
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Just listened to it, from the context of Marks' comments, it didn't sound like a legit negotiation between Olshey/Morey. Moreso just these two (Marks/Lowe) riffing about potential trade values. But my takeaway was Lowe calling a Simmons-CJ swap "obvious," and the discussing the basketball merits of the fit for both teams. Even on the Bill Simmons pod today, the first idea mentioned was the "obvious" swap for CJ. Hell, a few months back even CJ addressed it because of the fit for both teams and the similar salaries.

All this talk in the media, but hardly any mentions of Portland when rumors are discussed, only ideas. People are running all over the place with this Indiana news the past few days, after everyone was going gaga over Minnesota/Cleveland/San Antonio. Just crazy how the "obvious" partner is never actually rumored.
 
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illmatic99 said:
Just listened to it, from the context of Marks' comments, it didn't sound like a legit negotiation between Olshey/Morey. Moreso just these two riffing about potential trade values. But my takeaway was Lowe calling a Simmons-CJ swap "obvious," and the discussing the basketball merits of the fit for both teams. Even on the Bill Simmons pod today, the first idea mentioned was the "obvious" swap for CJ. Hell, a few months back even CJ addressed it because of the fit for both teams the similar salaries.

All this talk in the media, but hardly any mentions of Portland when rumors are discussed, only ideas.
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That's because most people who understand basketball are smarter than Neil or Morey.
 
illmatic99 said:
All this talk in the media, but hardly any mentions of Portland when rumors are discussed, only ideas. People are running all over the place with this Indiana news the past few days, after everyone was going gaga over Minnesota/Cleveland/San Antonio. Just crazy how the "obvious" partner is never actually rumored.
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the last few times I've read about Simmons rumors, the Blazers are hardly mentioned. If they are it just seems like recycled rumors from months ago

I'm inclined to think it's because Morey is insane, AND, Olshey has never really offered a one-for-on trade with the possibility of adding something on Portland's end. Yeah, that could be my anti-Olshey bias but I just don't believe that one report that said there was a standing offer of CJ for Simmons

it also could be that Morey just doesn't think CJ is good enough to be anything more than be a downgrade for Simmons; which makes sense

I'm also thinking that Morey is now determined to make Simmons capitulate and show up so it looks like Morey won the stare-down
 
Hoopguru said:
I wouldnt want to give up RoCo in a Simmons trade, Id rather give up Ant or Naz if the only way to get him was adding another player to CJ. Sure it would be best to just do a straight across trade for CJ. If RoCo is better at three (I think its his natural position) it would be nice to have a power forward that is taller than 6'7 that can get comfortable down low on both ends. RoCo isnt real comfortable down low on offense but decent on defense. We need a weapon at the power forward position now that Nurk will play more high post.
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I don't agree. If we got Simmons I can't see RoCo playing alongside him. Roco is limited on offense IMO. And we have Nance to back up Simmons.
And if we lose CJ we will need Simons's 3pt shooting. And I am not ready to give up on Nas because his first preseason game sucked.
I like RoCo but I don't think he fits alongside Simmons.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't agree. If we got Simmons I can't see RoCo playing alongside him. Roco is limited on offense IMO. And we have Nance to back up Simmons.
And if we lose CJ we will need Simons's 3pt shooting. And I am not ready to give up on Nas because his first preseason game sucked.
I like RoCo but I don't think he fits alongside Simmons.
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wow...I think RoCo and Simmons would fit really well as the starting forwards, especially on defense

right now, I'd be willing to give up CJ + one of Nas/Simons + a 1st for Simmons; but not RoCo
 
wizenheimer said:
wow...I think RoCo and Simmons would fit really well as the starting forwards, especially on defense

right now, I'd be willing to give up CJ + one of Nas/Simons + a 1st for Simmons; but not RoCo
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So you think a Norm, RoCo, Nurk, and Simmons lineup is enough offense to help Dame? That would be fewer shooters surrounding Simmons than he had in Philly.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So you think a Norm, RoCo, Nurk, and Simmons lineup is enough offense to help Dame? That would be fewer shooters surrounding Simmons than he had in Philly.
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Disagree. Nurk's 3-ball appears to be legit, and Norm and Roco are solid from deep. It would be precisely the kind of lineup Simmons needs around him to be successful. And I think Simmons' size, skill, and vision would make Norm and Roco more dangerous offensively as well, not to mention providing Dame the opportunities to work off-ball that he was just calling for.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Disagree. Nurk's 3-ball appears to be legit, and Norm and Roco are solid from deep. It would be precisely the kind of lineup Simmons needs around him to be successful. And I think Simmons' size, skill, and vision would make Norm and Roco more dangerous offensively as well, not to mention providing Dame the opportunities to work off-ball that he was just calling for.
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I wish I shared your belief in RoCo's offensive ability. He is ok as a 3 pt shooter, but even then he is so streaky. His 2 pt shots are almost nonexistent. He is not going anywhere so I hope you are right. I just can't stand that his 3pt shots always seem to be about 25-26 feet out.
 
wizenheimer said:
the last few times I've read about Simmons rumors, the Blazers are hardly mentioned. If they are it just seems like recycled rumors from months ago

I'm inclined to think it's because Morey is insane, AND, Olshey has never really offered a one-for-on trade with the possibility of adding something on Portland's end. Yeah, that could be my anti-Olshey bias but I just don't believe that one report that said there was a standing offer of CJ for Simmons

it also could be that Morey just doesn't think CJ is good enough to be anything more than be a downgrade for Simmons; which makes sense

I'm also thinking that Morey is now determined to make Simmons capitulate and show up so it looks like Morey won the stare-down
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Morey is also hellbent on Dame and probably realizes swapping Simmons for CJ takes away the option for Dame to ask out.
 
illmatic99 said:
Morey is also hellbent on Dame and probably realizes swapping Simmons for CJ takes away the option for Dame to ask out.
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I'm certain he does and this is the source of my growing anger towards Morey. He's willing to destroy two teams "to win"...maybe. If I'm Olshey, I make it clear that even if Dame wanted out I'd never, EVER trade him to the Sixers under ANY circumstances.
 
Idog1976 said:
I'm certain he does and this is the source of my growing anger towards Morey. He's willing to destroy two teams "to win"...maybe. If I'm Olshey, I make it clear that even if Dame wanted out I'd never, EVER trade him to the Sixers under ANY circumstances.
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i still think dame's cryptic tweets and messages earlier in the summer had a very detrimental effect on potential FAs and in trade talks (yes, I know Dame participated in FA calls for Batum/Oubre/Powell/etc., but still...). Even a whiff of his hesitancy to remain in Portland would remove the team's negotiating power.
 
Portland is an awkward trade fit. Based purely on talent (because Morey doesn't worry about things like "it's going to be uncomfortable having a holding-out Ben Simmons"), Lillard is too heavy a trade return and McCollum is too light. Simmons is massively talented--it just so happens the one thing he doesn't do well is the most important single trait right now. But the 76ers have been successful with him before--they were a double-doink Leonard shot away from the Eastern Conference Finals a couple years ago. The best way for the 76ers to fade into irrelevance is to blow the Simmons trade and get back someone who isn't star level. McCollum isn't star level. Morey knows that, which is why he's taking his sweet time--while I think some of his reported trade proposals have been absurd, I do agree with his process in taking his time. They have Simmons under lock and key for four years, he's not about to disappear as a trade option imminently Morey's better off waiting to see if some team gets desperate or some star becomes disgruntled.

And what's his dream scenario? That both factors happen in Portland. If by the trade deadline, Portland is mired in, say, tenth place (because seeds 6-10 are all within a few games of each other), it's not impossible that Olshey will be getting desperate and Lillard will be unhappy. I still don't think Olshey moves Lillard in that situation, but it becomes not-impossible perhaps. At least, that's something Morey can hope on. But he can also hope a team like Sacramento gets desperate and offers up De'Aaron Fox or some other situation of that ilk. Short of trying to get out of the gate with as many early regular season wins as possible, there's not much upside for Philadelphia to trade Simmons for McCollum, IMO.
 
Minstrel said:
And what's his dream scenario? That both factors happen in Portland. If by the trade deadline, Portland is mired in, say, tenth place (because seeds 6-10 are all within a few games of each other), it's not impossible that Olshey will be getting desperate and Lillard will be unhappy. I still don't think Olshey moves Lillard in that situation, but it becomes not-impossible perhaps. At least, that's something Morey can hope on.
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The most surefire way for Olshey to lose his job is to trade Lillard. Why would he do that? Even if Dame insists on getting out and Olshey's hand is forced, doing so will have ensured his own fate as well.

Also, if we were to trade Dame, it really doesn't make sense to bring Simmons in to Portland. He's not the kind of anchor you build around after trading away your franchise's best player ever.
 
illmatic99 said:
i still think dame's cryptic tweets and messages earlier in the summer had a very detrimental effect on potential FAs and in trade talks (yes, I know Dame participated in FA calls for Batum/Oubre/Powell/etc., but still...). Even a whiff of his hesitancy to remain in Portland would remove the team's negotiating power.
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That's how I felt as well. It's one thing to voice that you want to see change, but it's another thing entirely to let people believe for a long time that you're going to want out.
 
illmatic99 said:
The most surefire way for Olshey to lose his job is to trade Lillard. Why would he do that? Even if Dame insists on getting out and Olshey's hand is forced, doing so will have ensured his own fate as well.
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As I said, I don't think he would. But desperation doesn't necessarily lead to the best decisions. And regarding Simmons not being the best post-Lillard anchor, sure, I kind of agree with that (though not entirely--while he's not the ideal top option franchise player, I do think that to maximize Simmons' myriad strengths, you need to build around him as the primary ball-handler), but beggars can't be choosers. Olshey likely wouldn't be all that keen on a Lillard-for-draft-picks deal, because he assuredly wouldn't be the one sticking around to use them. He'd more likely want a star in return, in a last ditch effort to save his job. Simmons is the only star clearly available--maybe Lillard's availability would shake loose someone else, but that's quite speculative.
 
Minstrel said:
As I said, I don't think he would. But desperation doesn't necessarily lead to the best decisions. And regarding Simmons not being the best post-Lillard anchor, sure, I kind of agree with that (though not entirely--while he's not the ideal top option franchise player, I do think that to maximize Simmons' myriad strengths, you need to build around him as the primary ball-handler), but beggars can't be choosers. Olshey likely wouldn't be all that keen on a Lillard-for-draft-picks deal, because he assuredly wouldn't be the one sticking around to use them. He'd more likely want a star in return, in a last ditch effort to save his job. Simmons is the only star clearly available--maybe Lillard's availability would shake loose someone else, but that's quite speculative.
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Simmons' value has cratered and continues to do so every week that he is out. Suddenly, he's gonna be worth Dame after all this drama? It doesn't make much sense.

And we can critique CJ all we want, but Simmons' value is a lot closer to CJ's than it is Dame's.
 
illmatic99 said:
The most surefire way for Olshey to lose his job is to trade Lillard. Why would he do that? Even if Dame insists on getting out and Olshey's hand is forced, doing so will have ensured his own fate as well.

Also, if we were to trade Dame, it really doesn't make sense to bring Simmons in to Portland. He's not the kind of anchor you build around after trading away your franchise's best player ever.
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Plus he and his agent would never want him to stay long-term. So then we would be back to trading him for assets from a select few teams.
IMO Simmons would only want to stay in Portland to play with Dame.
 
Minstrel said:
Nope. He's not. I don't think you're actually reading my posts.
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I did. I don't agree with your idea that Olshey would swap Dame for Simmons to save his job. It would not only be admitting that: 1) he failed at negotiation and 2) he traded away Dame.

Simmons for Dame is not some last ditch effort.
 
Minstrel said:
I still don't think you're reading my posts.
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I read your qualifiers. I don't this scenario requires it. It IS an impossibility. And my comments aren't only directed at you. It's also to ridicule Morey's waiting game.
 
illmatic99 said:
It IS an impossibility.
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Fair enough, we disagree on it being impossible. I do think it's improbable, but I've seen desperate GMs do dumb things.

It's also to ridicule Morey's waiting game.
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CJ McCollum isn't a big enough gain to be worth pulling the trigger immediately. I know last year you were banking on CJ's early production, pre-injury, being a whole new star-level, but it was proven not to be when he came back. He's a good scorer, inconsistent play-maker for others and a huge, huge minus on defense. The Ben Simmons deal, whenever it happens, will likely be the most important move of Morey's Philadelphia tenure--I think it would be silly of him to rush it when McCollum is all he'd get by rushing it.
 
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